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Old 04-24-2013, 10:33 AM
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Default Walther P22 or Smith & Wesson M&P22?

I'm looking to buy my first gun, although I've been shooting off and on for a while. I've narrowed it down to the Walther or the S&W. Any thought? Preferences?
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M&P 22 is much more reliable but also more expensive. But it's a good full size 22.
P22 requires high velocity ammo to cycle and is picky with bulk stuff. Likes Rem golden bullets & CCI mini mags, but hates federals. Don't get it unless you like to do gunsmithing to get it running reliably with iffy ammo.
If you like the P22, I would check out the Ruger SR22 instead, almost the same size and eats anything.
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Old 04-24-2013, 2:43 PM
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Thanks for the feedback!
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Old 04-24-2013, 2:46 PM
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+1 for the Ruger SR-22

I do still have my eye on the M&P, but think a full size cartridge suits the full size handgun better.
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With a screen name like that you would think you would be getting a Browning Buckmark.. hah

Might want to read this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=745383
Good info in there.
There are a lot of threads out there on this subject
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Old 04-24-2013, 3:11 PM
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The only reason I went with the P22 is because I found it for $250. It's not bad once I put some work into tuning it, but still sometime fails to feed with the federal bulk. If it was the same price as the SR-22 I'd get the Ruger instead. Now that I have an M&P9, I'd rather have the M&P22 for training/practice purposes, but at $100 more than the SR-22 and P-22, it's more than I would want to spend for a 22. My 2c.
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I shot the P22, SR22, and M&P before buying the P22. The SR22 was a close second, but I didn't care for the trigger safety on the M&P, the way it hinges in the middle and 'grabs' your finger more than the others. My GF got a P22 as well, we've both been pretty happy with them.
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The P22 has a well-deserved reputation for jamming.

The S&W is OK if you want an oversize gun for the caliber. The S&W is overly large for what it is, but that is mostly how S&W approaches the .22 caliber. Their design philosophy seems to regard it mainly as a training round for higher calibers. Nothing wrong with that if that is your purpose as well. Thus the M&P 22 feels much like the M&P in higher calibers. Their revolvers are mostly also reflective of this: look at the S&W 617!

I like the Ruger SR22 for a small semi-auto because it seeks to exploit the virtues of the .22 caliber round, i.e. small size. It is just as functional as the M&P but in a smaller package. I like this. You may not. Both are good guns.

If it is between the Walther and the S&W, go S&W.
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The P22 has a well-deserved reputation for jamming.
I experienced this with my P22 so I sold it and got a Ruger SR22. So far, no issues and I'm lovin' it. Haven't shot an M&P22 yet, though.
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I think some of the early problematic P22's have ruined their reputation on gun forums. I've got a lot of years working on a lot of rimfire pistols, among them a P22 with at least 20,000 rounds through it. I did very little in the way of modification, just the trigger bar ear polish. The P22 has a MUCH better trigger than the M&P, quality wise I'd consider them on a par. P22's are better guns than regurgitators on the Internet who have never had one will tell you, but none of these polymer .22s are steel gun quality. If you want the best .22 pistol for $500 or so, get a Ruger Mark 3, 22/45, or Browning Buckmark.
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Old 04-24-2013, 5:23 PM
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I do love Browning and am getting a Buckmark as well. I've shot my boyfriend's Browning a lot, hence the name. But, I also want a gun that has a "big brother" that I may want later. That's why I was looking at the Walther and the S&W. one of my friends just got the Ruger SR22 and it just seems so small...
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Well, while I won't sing the praises of a P22 compared to a MK3, the P99 is one of the finest polymer handguns you can own. I keep trying Sigs, HKs, etc. (and every 9mm Glock) and I keep going back to the P99 AS. Handguns are a personal thing, though a lot of people that shoot a P99 soon buy a P99. The manual of arms is the same on the P22 (except the slide safety), but it isn't built nearly the same as a P99. I don't worry much about the zinc slide, as long as the trigger ears aren't gouging them. But none of the rimfire polymers in this price range are exactly top shelf .22's.
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Old 04-24-2013, 6:08 PM
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I think maybe I just need to go rent them both and try them. I've held both, but haven't fired either.
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M&P 22 worked out better for me since it is a full-size handgun, but then again what ever fits your hands better. Both quality firearms!
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m&p 22 if you want full size... Ruger SR22 if you want a compact
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IIRC the Walther is only rated to run reliably with CCI MiniMags by the manufacturer.

The Ruger SR22 runs anything, is built better (machined aircraft aluminum vs crack-prone, cast zinc), is more accurate and costs LESS then the P22.

I shot both a P22 and SR22 on the same day. The P22 was a 3" grouper at 15yds while the SR22 was less then half that. Both pistols fired from a rested position. The results were the same for everyone that shot the pair that day. The owner of the P22 stated that was typical accuracy from it.

While I bought an SR22 for my wife (who is tiny), I personally find it to be too small for my hands (and I don't have big hands). The pistol comes with a small and large grip but the large should more accurately be called "not so small".

If you have bigger hands I would go with the S&W or you might consider a Ruger 22/45 with the kingshouse grip mod. I have the latter and it is a VERY comfortable pistol to shoot. Mine is the 4.5" barrel and will make a single large hole at 15yds when I pay attention.

The S&W would be the only choice if you are planning on getting an M&P in a centerfire caliber though.



I believe Turner's has the SR22, 22/45 and S&W22 on sale though TODAY.

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Old 04-25-2013, 10:11 AM
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I'll answer your question without providing more options to confuse you.

M&P .22. Why? Better quality, less failures when dirty, perfect if you are using it as a full sized polymer trainer, and better feeling trigger

Why not the Walther? Cheaper quality materials, prone to failures the dirtier then get, fired one in which the slide cracked in half while firing, didn't like the trigger esp when compared to the M&P.
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I believe Turner's has the SR22, 22/45 and S&W22 on sale though TODAY.
I can confirm this, was just at Turner's yesterday, and I jailed my first handgun...a SR22
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I believe the SR22 or the M&P22 would be good choices but the gsg 1911 might be another gun you might want to take a look at but it is heavier!
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Thanks for the feedback! I know I don't want the SR22, because it feels too small in my hands. And I don't have big hands for a girl... But I will look into the other suggestions.
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Old 04-26-2013, 8:57 PM
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Decision made! Jailed a M&P 22 today!!!
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Decision made! Jailed a M&P 22 today!!!
Congrats
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I want an mp 22 so bad......I was tempted to sell my mp 15-22 for one......congrats dude! post a review !
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