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Old 04-23-2013, 3:03 PM
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Default Is this an EO for gun control? (U.S. Munitions Import List)

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013...2013-09392.pdf

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right?
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Old 04-23-2013, 4:11 PM
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here is the actual EO. Looks like just passing responsibility off to someone else.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/DCPD-20...-201300143.pdf
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Old 04-23-2013, 4:11 PM
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/\ ETA: Good pull, your google-fu is strong.

Is doesn't look like much, if you can get past the legalize.

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No.

EOs come from the White House.

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Old 04-23-2013, 4:29 PM
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This looks like it has to do mostly with export of defense materials used by the US military.
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Old 04-23-2013, 5:21 PM
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Default Executive Action: Obama To Ban Importation of Ammo, Magazines and Gun Accessories Wit

Executive Action: Obama To Ban Importation of Ammo, Magazines and Gun Accessories Without Congressional Approval

Depending on how it is implemented, the implications of this change could be huge. With the stroke a of a pen and without the consent of Congress, ATF bureaucrats could make ANY gun part or accessory (including magazines) or ammunition that were originally manufactured or perhaps even those designed for military use no longer legal for importation for civilian use. That might mean no more milsurp parts sets. No more milsurp magazines. No more milsurp ammo. No more milsurp optics. Perhaps not even spare firing pins. This could be ugly.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...roval_04232013
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Executive Action: Obama To Ban Importation of Ammo, Magazines and Gun Accessories Without Congressional Approval

Depending on how it is implemented, the implications of this change could be huge. With the stroke a of a pen and without the consent of Congress, ATF bureaucrats could make ANY gun part or accessory (including magazines) or ammunition that were originally manufactured or perhaps even those designed for military use no longer legal for importation for civilian use. That might mean no more milsurp parts sets. No more milsurp magazines. No more milsurp ammo. No more milsurp optics. Perhaps not even spare firing pins. This could be ugly.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...roval_04232013
From what I read, it doesn't mention anything about firearms or firearm accessories...
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Neither does the 2nd amendment. It calls them "arms." This pdf calls them "defense articles." Don't be fooled by different words.
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Stand down folks.

This document authorizes the removal of firearms from the regulated ITAR list.

From the brief:

As part of the Administration’s ongoing Export Control Reform Initiative, the Departments of State and Commerce are publishing a series of proposed rules that will remove ITAR export controls on certain defense articles and defense services and subject those items instead to export controls through the Commerce Control List (CCL), which is administered by the Department of Commerce as part of its Export Administration Regulations (EAR).
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Stand down folks.

This document authorizes the removal of firearms from the regulated ITAR list.

From the brief:

As part of the Administration’s ongoing Export Control Reform Initiative, the Departments of State and Commerce are publishing a series of proposed rules that will remove ITAR export controls on certain defense articles and defense services and subject those items instead to export controls through the Commerce Control List (CCL), which is administered by the Department of Commerce as part of its Export Administration Regulations (EAR).
So... He's basically making it so our weapons and defense exports go unregulated, so he can ship them to places like Syria, Egypt, and Libya? Places that are all solidly in the hands in the Muslim Brotherhood? Doesn't this go against the ATT he was so adamant about signing?
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Someone noted it mentioned "defense article" and another identified what would be milsurplus for importation and THEN THERE IS THE LANGUAGE WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS NO LONGER THE DEPARTMENT WHICH THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY IT HAS NOW BEEN CHANGED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL - Good ole little eric holder my BOHICA brother otherwise famous for 'fast and furious'. - in consultation with input from the Secretary of State.

Impeach the damn leadership! This dictators reign needs to end.
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So... He's basically making it so our weapons and defense exports go unregulated, so he can ship them to places like Syria, Egypt, and Libya? Places that are all solidly in the hands in the Muslim Brotherhood? Doesn't this go against the ATT he was so adamant about signing?
Considering he never got called on the carpet for the cluster-f that was Fast and Furious, I don't think Obama is all that concerned about regulatory authority on weapon transfers. If he wants to send some guns and donuts to a Mexican cartel or a Syrian warlord, he'll do it no matter what the law is.

IMO, this is a routine document meant to move certain items off of one bureaucratic regulatory list to another. When Obama wants to ban imported AKM's and surplus parts, he'll be sure to dial CNN first with some kids in the background for leftist brownie points-not issuing an anonymous document in the dead of night.
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... IMO, this is a routine document meant to move certain items off of one bureaucratic regulatory list to another. When Obama wants to ban imported AKM's and surplus parts, he'll be sure to dial CNN first with some kids in the background for leftist brownie points-not issuing an anonymous document in the dead of night.
But everyone thinks that he will try to sneak something through, so that's why people are scanning the Federal Register like they were reading tea leaves.

I'm not so sure of the CNN thing myself.
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This could be good news! ITAR is a leviathan that forces just about every machine shop t be registered with the state department. They do everything imaginable to ensure that stuff we make here doesn't end up in the wrong hands across the globe. That's their job and they're good at it. The commerce department actually wants to encourage exports. Its part of they're agenda. Plus they don't charge $2250 per year like itar. The one thing about commerce department is that they will levy massive fines for avoidable mistakes. All in all this could be a good thing.
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So... He's basically making it so our weapons and defense exports go unregulated, so he can ship them to places like Syria, Egypt, and Libya? Places that are all solidly in the hands in the Muslim Brotherhood? Doesn't this go against the ATT he was so adamant about signing?
makes sense, guns for others, but not for us...
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Considering he never got called on the carpet for the cluster-f that was Fast and Furious, I don't think Obama is all that concerned about regulatory authority on weapon transfers. If he wants to send some guns and donuts to a Mexican cartel or a Syrian warlord, he'll do it no matter what the law is.

IMO, this is a routine document meant to move certain items off of one bureaucratic regulatory list to another. When Obama wants to ban imported AKM's and surplus parts, he'll be sure to dial CNN first with some kids in the background for leftist brownie points-not issuing an anonymous document in the dead of night.
you've got that right. he likes the big productions with the children and what not. very true. he uses people, children to further his agenda and the sheep keep following him around...
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This is the part that got me going.

"Any defense article or defense service
not specifically enumerated in the other
categories of the USMIL that has
substantial military applicability and
that has been specifically designed or
modified for military purposes. The
decision as to whether any article may
be included in this category shall be
made by the Attorney General with the
concurrence of the Secretary of State
and the Secretary of Defense."
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This is the part that got me going.

"Any defense article or defense service
not specifically enumerated in the other
categories of the USMIL that has
substantial military applicability and
that has been specifically designed or
modified for military purposes. The
decision as to whether any article may
be included in this category shall be
made by the Attorney General with the
concurrence of the Secretary of State
and the Secretary of Defense."
There,once again,theres nothing to be concerned about.

Obama cannot add whatever guns he wants to the ITAR list.

Most "foreign brand" firearms are already legally made in the US due to 922(r) compliance.There goes the importation authority.

As for handguns,good luck selling the argument that a US made Beretta is less dangerous then the same exact weapon made in Italy.
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