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Old 04-23-2013, 3:33 PM
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Typically personal injury lawyers take a 33% slice, but as they say, every case is different. Googling will reveal anecdotal stories where some take a sliding scale as the award amounts go up, say 33% for the first 300k, 20% for the next 500k, etc. I would guess that the women will get somewhere between 2-3 million after the lawyer gets their cut.
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Were the police officers arrested for:

1. Shooting without provocation.
2. Shooting before identifying their target?
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****, you could shoot at me all day long for 4.2 mil.
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Old 04-23-2013, 4:09 PM
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Torrance PD Chief and Mayor also need to be given the boot for bending over for LAPD.
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Where are the attempted murder charges?
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$4.2 mil sounds low to me too.

I'm good with that, but thought it would be more.

Settled pretty quick.

If it was me.... I'd drive that shot up truck everywhere just for people to see it as a reminder...

It probably isnt coming out of taxpayer money to begin with. PD's have insurance you know.... Even if it was coming out of the fund, so what... less money to feed the spoiled beast.

I want to see cops fired for this and cross my fingers at some jail time.... but I wont hold my breath.
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Old 04-23-2013, 4:29 PM
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who else would take a couple bullets to get a 4 million payday?
kinda a toss up of whether you'd live to see the cash.
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Old 04-23-2013, 4:35 PM
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The cops said "My Bad"
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You would be amazed how many bullets you can take and live with today's medical technology. Of course thats assuming no head shot or vital organ!
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Fair enough. I know I'm not lining up to get shot in the back and lose my truck just so I can get seven figures.
Yeah; I wonder if their health insurance co might want some of their expenses back... I would. You got shot, we covered the costs to patch you up, then you got a liablity award... for being shot... which we paid you for..
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You would be amazed how many bullets you can take and live with today's medical technology. Of course thats assuming no head shot or vital organ!
Yeah; but .223 loves to tumble...
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+ a truck?
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Survive pistol gunshot wounds more likely, rifle...odds aren't good.
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each cop probably dumped their mags 8 x 16 = 128 rounds.

it's a good thing these women didn't die from those 100+ rounds fired at their truck.

it'd have cost LA tax payers more than 5 mil to go to trial. and they even agreed to wait until antonio is out of office to receive their payments.
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That's nothing, stupid gangbangers get paid that much for just being punched or kick by LEO sometimes when it's caught on video of course
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Old 04-23-2013, 6:31 PM
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IBTL... Before this turns into a cop bashing thread... In my opinion, these ladies deserve $4.2 mil. They would of got lots more but it would of taken 5+ years in litigation to accomplish.
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This isn't over until the attempted executioners are prosecuted.

Never happen, though. The Police State will protect it's own.
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I am wondering when anyone on this board has had someone trained to kill going after them? Someone who had already killed 3 people including another cop and put another in the hospital? At the time of this shooting there probably wasnt a whole lot of information given out to the officers, I would bank that they probably only knew it was a dark colored truck and the actual make and model of the vehicle probably wasnt known until a few hours later. Then you see a blacked out dark color truck driving slowly through the area that is a possible target area? Its not real common for people to be driving slowly through a neighborhood in the dark of night with no lights on. Their adrenaline is all ready elevated what would you do? Cops are humans too guys, no one on this site has any where near the level of training and experience to monday morning quarterback anything these cops did, hell I wouldnt want to try and bring down punishment on them and Ive been a cop for over a decade.

I am not in any way, shape, or form condoning what these officers did, but lets leave the discipline to guys with way more experience mmkay...
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Anybody know what happened to 8 police officers involved in the shooting?
NOTHING THEY GOT AWAY WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER!
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Old 04-23-2013, 6:44 PM
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Why isn't Piers Morgan all over the fact that those cops with the murderous assault weapons are still on the job?

All of California should be in and uproar that these "elite cops" are still working. Lets get these guys and there pernicious assault guns off the streets.
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Old 04-23-2013, 6:51 PM
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You guys don't read past the title?

The last sentence in the article:
Wait, you want people on this board to read and then fully comprehend what they have read? That is just ridiculous . I am going to contact a moderator and demand that you be banned immediately.
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time to buy a bulletproof truck
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It's a shame this example of excellent police work has to be paid from taxpayer pockets rather than the pockets of the officers.
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IBTL... Before this turns into a cop bashing thread...
If there was actual personal accountability on the part of police, you know equal protection under the law, then most of what is called "cop bashing" would go away. Until then police have no one else to blame but themselves.

I mean seriously, how much more investigating is needed for this case? Are they trying to determine how many rounds were fired while the officers eyes were closed so they can throw those out as accidental discharges?
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To be honest, police should be held to the same standards as an armed private security patrol would. Do you think a private security detail would be in jail for doing something like this? Immunity is for those who don't want to be accountable.

Also to be honest, I'm rather libertarian in my views. In my opinion, the police should be privatized and there should be more than one company hired by citizens to ensure they police each other as well.
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The crazy thing is that the truck wasn't even the right color. I really think they just wanted to shoot at someone.
Wasn't the right color, it was 2-door and not 4-door, wasn't the same model, and hell it wasn't even the same brand!

Personally I feel they got a fair amount. Normally I'm against absurd dollar settlements, but in this case it's completely fair.

True justice would be that settlement money coming out of the paychecks of the idiots who shot at them.
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Fair enough. I know I'm not lining up to get shot in the back and lose my truck just so I can get seven figures.
exactly. i think it should be more. after legal fees, taxes, and whatever else CA imposes it won't be enough.
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L.A. got off easy, I thought this would easily top 10 million dollars.
yeah i thought so too. again, i don't think it's enough.
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I would let the LAPD dump a few mags at my truck for 4mil.

I wouldn't let any of the Calgunners I know take one shot at me for same price.

It seems like the best place to be is standing still, right in front of them. Like a T-Rex kinda.
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That didn't take long.

Glad they didn't try to drag it out in court though. That would have been total BS. But I guess the Chief's open admissions to fault would have made any case in court pretty tough to argue.
Shooting up the wrong make, model and color of vehicle-not to mention shooting two white female suspects who had NO resemblence to the SINGLE black male suspect-already made that case "pretty tough to argue".

The LAPD got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING right about that incident AND they used deadly force with a resulting injury. If this had been anyone other than a "privileged class" (for example, if it were a CCW'er) there would be attempted manslaughter charges filed within minutes of the event.

The only thing wrong with this settlement is that WE the taxpayers are footing the bill. The PD/city that caused it will get off scott free.
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I would let the LAPD dump a few mags at my truck for 4mil.

I wouldn't let any of the Calgunners I know take one shot at me for same price.

It seems like the best place to be is standing still, right in front of them. Like a T-Rex kinda.
I was thinking the same thing. If you are the target the safest place to be during a shootout with the LAPD/NYPD is standing directly in front of the officer. If you aren't the target, the safest place to be is downtown Beruit because somehow the LAPD will manage to hit you anyway.
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I am wondering when anyone on this board has had someone trained to kill going after them? Its not real common for people to be driving slowly through a neighborhood in the dark of night with no lights on. Their adrenaline is all ready elevated what would you do? Cops are humans too guys, no one on this site has any where near the level of training and experience to monday morning quarterback anything these cops did, hell I wouldnt want to try and bring down punishment on them and Ive been a cop for over a decade.
People delivering news papers are part of the normal "night life" that the cops should be used to. LA times, local paper, Wall Street Journal; they are out there 7 days a week driving slow, dropping papers in the early morning.
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Yeah; I wonder if their health insurance co might want some of their expenses back... I would. You got shot, we covered the costs to patch you up, then you got a liablity award... for being shot... which we paid you for..
Depends on how they word the settlement.

If the settlement is for medical expenses incurred, and pain and suffering, then the insurance company can get back their payout. If the settlement is for pain and suffering, then it is not being paid to cover medical expenses, and insurance company is on the hook for it.
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L.A. got off easy, I thought this would easily top 10 million dollars.
thought I read the city was trying to give them a used pu & that was it?

for nearly getting killed, YES they should get paid
those COPS need to be working somewhere else where they say
" Would you like frys with that? "
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The LAPD got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING right about that incident AND they used deadly force with a resulting injury. If this had been anyone other than a "privileged class" (for example, if it were a CCW'er) there would be attempted manslaughter charges filed within minutes of the event.

The only thing wrong with this settlement is that WE the taxpayers are footing the bill. The PD/city that caused it will get off scott free.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with this. What drives me crazy is the MSM all reporting on the ladies getting 4.2 million but nothing on the Police who did it. If it were you or I we would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and paraded in the MSM on what bad people we were. The next time someone gets shot accidentally use the "I thought it was someone else and I was really nervous" defense.
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Depends on how they word the settlement.

If the settlement is for medical expenses incurred, and pain and suffering, then the insurance company can get back their payout. If the settlement is for pain and suffering, then it is not being paid to cover medical expenses, and insurance company is on the hook for it.
good info thanks.

Remember to demand pain and suffering award if injured....
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so 4.2mill minus the lawyer take and fees for getting them that. minus the taxes they will have to pay on it. you know CA wont let them slide on the tax. i wonder what the take home would be.
True the lawyer gets somewhere between 33 to 66 percent but there are no taxes on damages. This isn't income this is recompense for damages and is not taxable by the state or the feds.

I think LA got off easy but if I was in the victim's shoes I probably would have taken the fast 2 million rather than the slow 10 million.
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Shooting up the wrong make, model and color of vehicle-not to mention shooting two white female suspects who had NO resemblence to the SINGLE black male suspect-already made that case "pretty tough to argue".

The LAPD got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING right about that incident AND they used deadly force with a resulting injury. If this had been anyone other than a "privileged class" (for example, if it were a CCW'er) there would be attempted manslaughter charges filed within minutes of the event.

The only thing wrong with this settlement is that WE the taxpayers are footing the bill. The PD/city that caused it will get off scott free.
Here is another example of systemic unaccountability:

No Jail Time for SDPD Detective in DUI Crash

"In his ruling, Judge Maguire said he didnít order the defendant to serve time in jail because that would result in his termination from the San Diego Police Department. The crime did not warrant the detective losing his job the judge told the court."

There have been cases of drunk driving cops who have actually killed people and got similar slaps on the wrist.
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If you shot at me like that I would not have gone out anywhere near that cheap and especially without some accountability guarantees
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