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Old 04-23-2013, 8:10 AM
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moonbeam will not veto any bills. 1/15 is when hes out but it would be worse, gayvin or tony viliar is next up. yay...
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Not that I am acting as a proponent of Brown especially in light of these interviews, but how many anti-gun bills did Arnie veto and how many anti-gun policies were enacted during Meg's time at eBay?

Until CA can offer up something better than a RINO, we're stuck with moderates like Brown or worse super liberals like Newsome or Harris.
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Not that I am acting as a proponent of Brown especially in light of these interviews, but how many anti-gun bills did Arnie veto and how many anti-gun policies were enacted during Meg's time at eBay?

Until CA can offer up something better than a RINO, we're stuck with moderates like Brown or worse super liberals like Newsome or Harris.
I agree, Meg would probably not have been any better. PROBABLY. As stereotypical as it is, women in politics dont have a great reputation for being friends of the gun community. On the other side of that issue though is that she would be more inclined to listen to conservatives pleas to veto since they are who voted her in. Moonbeam on the other hand only needs support from 0% of conservatives in this state to remain popular with the majority.
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When I cross that state line heading for a new state I'm going piss on the California side then raise my middle finger towards the capital. Let the Liberals bankrupt and destroy CA.

I will be leaving in a few years for Free America ARIZONA I will make it plain and simple, California is a lost cause the demographics for the Democratics to stay in power can not be over come, Tony Villaraigosa or Newsom, Kamala Harris will be the next Governor they are rabid anti Second Amendment. The courts are our only hope but that will take years and money to unravel they know it. I want my remaining years to have less aggravation but will be sadden at what the state of California has become.

I'm going to take a dump on the California side then raise my middle finger towards the capital. Let the Liberals bankrupt and destroy CA.
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Speaking of the devil...Tony Villar(Villaraigosa) and Newsom are gunning for the higher office and they are even worse than Gov Moonbeam. Imagine that!
Don't forget "pretty" Kamala Harris.

Rotten list to have to choose from.
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I can't believe some people on here think he's pro-2A.
+1; he showed his true anti 2a colors when he took the unnecessary action to write an anti 2a opinion on LEOs personally owned "AWs." If he wants to take them away from cops why would be let citizens have them?
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He is so hard to listen to.

How in the world did he become our governor?
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Buy all your $h!t now cause it's not gonna get any better. It's like you see the train coming but you just can't get off the tracks. People say all the time move. You just can't convince your spouse were moving cause of guns. I have alot of time at my job. My vacation time and pay. My pension to just throw away.
Yep, sums it up for me too. I am looking into starting a business which I can them move out of state to NV or AZ. Unitl then, stuck here adn duck and covering for the onslaught to my firearms right.
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as much as I loath Brown, think of this:

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I agree, Meg would probably not have been any better. PROBABLY. As stereotypical as it is, women in politics dont have a great reputation for being friends of the gun community. On the other side of that issue though is that she would be more inclined to listen to conservatives pleas to veto since they are who voted her in. Moonbeam on the other hand only needs support from 0% of conservatives in this state to remain popular with the majority.
Don't get caught up in the stereotypical sexism. There are two women on the Assembly Public Safety Committee who voiced strong opposition to the anti-gun bills presented in their committee.
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Don't get caught up in the stereotypical sexism. There are two women on the Assembly Public Safety Committee who voiced strong opposition to the anti-gun bills presented in their committee.
I think what he meant is that female dems aren't friends of guns. Just like male dems.

It's party lines for the most part.
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Yeah, those videos in the Original Post are pretty much promises to sign "Assault Weapon" bills. Whole lot of suck coming down on us.

As far as the "Jerry Brown is Pro-Gun" opinions here, I agree it's a matter of degree. I believe he is less anti-gun than just about any Democratic Politician and certainly less than his gubernatorial opponent Queen Meg.

This does not mean he is "Pro Gun."

He has however shown that he will not automatically sign any anti-gun bill set before him. I think he gives some thoughtful consideration and picks out the ones with the worst potential future legal problems to veto.

I think he will veto two or three of the current rabid pack of anti-gun bills that will pass the Legislature in September.

Here's a few of his vetoes from the end of last years legislative session.


http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...gun-bills.aspx


Seems like he vetoed a couple more the year before that as well as signing a bunch into law.

So all I'm saying is that we'll get dumped on with 150 Tons of Suck instead of 200 Tons of Suck because of Jerry Brown. Might be tough to notice the difference when it's all pouring down on us.

I think that's worth about 8 ounces of comfort in these Sucky Times we live in.

I predict that future Governors and Legislatures will make us long for Jerry and the Good Old Days as we get the chance to compare "Slightly Less Anti-Gun" with "F*ck of a Lot More Anti-Gun."

And yes, I voted for him. He was the best of a bunch of bad choices, as so often in US Politics. And he used to sleep with Linda Ronstadt.
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Steinberg's and yee's arent on Brown's desk YET. dIdn't appropriations committee shoot down Yee last year? we need to make it clear to the appropriations committe that these WILL be tied up in court. California is going to have to spend a lot of money defending stupid laws. they will most likely lose the court battles. so why waste money you dont have? Just my $.02
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This guy was no good before and yet they vote him in again... Lol.
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This guy was no good before and yet they vote him in again... Lol.
But look who he was up against, Meg Whitman's the local version of a female Romney. Nobody rich and white who bought the nomination will win here. We need somebody who can explain the economy in a charismatic way and convince voters that their lives would be better if their family members had more opportunity. And that candidate needs to be a regular person, not a super rich elite.
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This is the problem with our form of government. The legislative and executive branches are popularity contests. The rights of the minorities are ignored here. Only the judicial branch is intended to protect the rights of those in minority. But that intent is also sometimes subverted by activist judges who look to the popularity contests to guide them as to their rulings.

We need some way to protect the rights stated in the U.S. and State Constitutions from constant legislative attack. We need a bill that requires any bill affecting a Constitutional right to allow for time for a judicial challenge to complete before going into effect. I'm tired of being forced to live under unconstitutional laws while the judicial proceedings run through the system.
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In fact, all new laws should be required to be on hold if a lawsuit is filed within X number of days of being signed/expired into law. The hold should only be lifted when all pending lawsuits filed during that X-day period, and all appeals of these lawsuits, are closed.
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But look who he was up against, Meg Whitman's the local version of a female Romney. Nobody rich and white who bought the nomination will win here. We need somebody who can explain the economy in a charismatic way and convince voters that their lives would be better if their family members had more opportunity. And that candidate needs to be a regular person, not a super rich elite.
Is there anyone that is charismatic, charming, knowledgable about the economy, and willing to run for office that isn't a super rich elite?
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Is there anyone that is charismatic, charming, knowledgable about the economy, and willing to run for office that isn't a super rich elite?
Me!
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There it is. Now I have no doubt, he will sign that stupid bullet button law. **** it.
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I see him as supporting some bills, but hedging his bets.

His main concern right now is his legacy. He knows that Americans are more focused on the economy, and just as his father was behind some major structural projects (aquaducts anyone), he has his own legacy projects. Gun control is not one of them, so it is something I am sure he would throw under the bus if it served his agenda. Likewise it is something he will promote if it serves that agenda.

Some bills, I think he is smart enough to know that they are not just bad law, but will cause distracting lawsuits. He may grossly exaggerate his work on the budget, but he doesn't want to make it worse. I think really, at this point, it is such an obsession of Dems in the legislature that in order to get talking about his legacy ideas he knows he has to appease them. I don't think he is strongly for or against the right to arms.

Hence I think, unlike Feinstein, it is worth pressuring him, but foolhardy to place hope in him. I would predict, as things stand, signing, say, SB 47, but vetoing 374. That would give him the image of being "reasonable, and willing to compromise" to many, even though it would be nothing of the sort. But we shall see.
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Oh and I would never have voted for Brown...but as it was I was in Virginia when he was elected...
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Steinberg's and yee's arent on Brown's desk YET. dIdn't appropriations committee shoot down Yee last year? we need to make it clear to the appropriations committe that these WILL be tied up in court. California is going to have to spend a lot of money defending stupid laws. they will most likely lose the court battles. so why waste money you dont have? Just my $.02
The right thing to think. People need to stay on this.
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If there were an 'R' next to the governor's name anti-gun legislation wouldn't even be suggested let alone voted on.
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If Brown were to help drive the having the 1994 Fed AW ban applied to California in place of existing CA laws, I would support it ;-)
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Steinberg's and yee's arent on Brown's desk YET. dIdn't appropriations committee shoot down Yee last year? we need to make it clear to the appropriations committe that these WILL be tied up in court. California is going to have to spend a lot of money defending stupid laws. they will most likely lose the court battles. so why waste money you dont have? Just my $.02
They don't care about any of that. It isn't their money. Your tax dollars pay their lawyers. If they need more money, they will raise your taxes to get it.

If they do loose in court, they will pass the same bills again the following year. They will get taken to court once more where again, your tax dollars are used against you, and again if they need more money your taxes get raised again.

See how that works? It's endless. They simply do not care.
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For those that are willing CONTACT GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN

Choose gun control under the subject "drop down" menu.
I sent him this
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I oppose all legislation below and will indicate why below each Bill. I urge
you please to vote "NO" on all the legislation as it will never stop
Criminals getting their hands on the firearms. Simply, Criminals do not
follow the law, and stripping us law abiding citizens of our ability to
defend ourselves and meet the criminal with equal and greater force is how we will survive.

With rulings indicating The Police do not have to commit or protect citizens
Leave the clear and decisive need to protect ourselves with equal and
Greater forces is in our hands.

Please read the rebuttals to all bills below each stated:

Assembly Bill 711 (Rendon) BANS the use of all lead ammunition for hunting.

Rebuttal:
Lead Ammunition is design for the quick and ethical kill of animals.
Ammunitions that are too hard will pass through the animals and will cause
longer live times or they run and hide and bleed to death how can you live
with the thought of a long death when lawfully and licensed quotas of Game
Animals. A hunter wants a quick and clean kill. Hard bullets that do not
deliver all the energy that pass through with sufficient energy are still
dangerous as they keep going.

Lead has been used for 100's or years and there is no evidence given that
justifies the banning of it. It is an attempt to stop the ability to reload
ammunition and take it out of the hands of the hobbyist or competition
shooter.

Many gun Clubs extract and clean up hunting areas today, and reclaim the
lead so it cleans up the environment. Lead is a natural element created when
the planet was created. There are plenty of warnings and safe handling
procedures that already protect the use of it. We do not need to ban it.


Assembly Bill 231 (Ting) expands the law for Criminal Storage of Firearms and
child access.

Rebuttal:
We already have these laws. Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms as
well as teach our children safe gun handling practices, procedures and the
Realities on how dangerous they are.


Senate Bill 47 (Yee) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the
future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use
the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon”
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other “assault weapons” restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When your home is invaded by criminals that have semi-automatic weapons with High capacity magazines, we need to be able to meet that force with equal and greater force to defend our homes families and our very lives. I am not asking for a rocket launcher, Tank or a bazooka, or a machine gun. The
definition of assault is when another person attempts to do you bodily harm.
it has nothing to do with how firearms are defined or look, again it is
criminals that are assaulters not firearms.

Senate Bill 53 (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

Rebuttal:
How many background checks do we need to be subjected to? How much Ammo I buy to defend my home or to compete in an Amercan tradition of sportsmanship should be unlimited and within my own resources to acquire. You are already treating us like criminals. Ammunition needs to be available by all means necessary to be able to protect ourselves. This very law and the one that was repealed interferes with interstate commerce laws. Let’s not waste any more time litigating and wasting tax payers money. You get to collect the taxes on the mail orders so you would be cutting an income stream.

You are supposed to be upholding our Civil rights (The Constitution) as you
have sworn in the oath of office. Your continuous attacks on out rights must
stop. Cease and desist..

Senate Bill 108 (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a
locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.

Rebuttal:
I already lock up and store all my firearms because I am a responsible gun
owner. When I am home, I have the right to carry, inspect, practice, clean
and maintain all of my weapons and keeping them locked up at all time in
itself strips us of the ability to defend ourselves and our homes at a
moment’s notice. Then what stops the criminals from the taking those firearms to then create more crime?

I Have and continue to train my children in the safe use storage and
maintenance of all firearms, and the dangers of firearms. I don't need
countless laws to tell me to be responsible.

Senate Bill 293 (DeSaulnier) BANS the sale of conventional handguns, if the
state Department of Justice approves the sale of “Owner Authorized – Smart” handgun technology.

Rebuttal:
Some of the technologies force the defeating of a firearm when it is needed
the most in an emergency. Clip removal lockout mechanisms disable a gun from firing a chambered round could be the last defense to a lethal and death
clash with a home invasion. Passing these laws is unconceivable, and how do you sleep at night knowing you have stripped us of our abilities to defend
ourselves. As stated by the courts and many statistics, the police will never
show up in time, and it has already been determined by the courts Police do
not have to defend or protect citizens.


Senate Bill 299 (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals
for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.

Rebuttal:
Why make more criminals out of victims. In many cases those persons having their guns stolen may not even know they have been taken, All this will do is cause less reporting because this would mean jail time for a crime you didn’t commit. The criminal that stole the weapon is the real criminal here.

Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg) expands the definition of "assault weapons" to
BAN the future transfer of all semi-auto rifles that accept detachable
magazines (including those chambered for rimfire cartridges) and virtually
all semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines (primarily those chambered for
rim fire cartridges), requires NEW "assault weapon" registration, requires
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other "assault weapon" restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When I bought all my firearms in the state of California, they are already
registered. Double, triple registration is nothing but costly, and burden to
the Law abiding citizen. Criminals are not going to register their stolen
guns, or acquired stolen guns from a black market.

Rim fire ammunition is one generation above Cap and ball and these calibers
are not powerful enough to stop a home invasion and are used more for target practice. Hindering us at every turn of our lives is a direct attack on the life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We have far too many regulations and laws that are a hindrance or road blocks to the basic and fundamental civil rights.

I must be able to defend my home and family with equal and greater force to stop a gang of Home invasion criminals. When you stop us or prohibit us from lawfully obtaining firearms of equal force, you condemn us to death. How do you sleep at night?

I am not asking to own a Tank, Bazooka or a machine gun, but for the ability
to own what is clearly someone’s distorted interpretation of what an assault
weapon is. When a criminal attacks my home it is an assault. Assaults are the acts of people not how you define a weapon and its capability.

To be a proficient operator of firearms Small arms are cheaper to stay in
practice to strip us of the ability to maintain skill will leave us vulnerable in a time of crisis in attempting to defend ourselves. Our police forces train every day. Proficient and Law abiding Gun owners need to be afforded the same training an expertise.

Senate Bill 396 (Hancock) BANS the POSSESSION of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than ten cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered large capacity” magazines.

Rebuttal:
High capacity magazines are the equal and opposite force needed to defend
our homes when a multiple Criminal home invasion occurs. Forcing me to 10
rounds or not allowing me to change out a magazine quickly to meet with equal or greater force will get us all killed. Again, the police will never be
there in time and by law do not have to protect you or your family. That by
my Civil rights is a task I assume the rights to do.

Senate Bill 567 (Jackson) expands the definition of shotgun for
“short-barreled shotguns” that are illegal to own.

Rebuttal:
Most in close combat situations in home invasions a short barreled Shotgun
gives a wider blast range to take out the criminal. A short barreled shotgun
in a struggle is harder to take away than a 30" goose gun, and easier to
maneuver in your home during an home invasion. These bills are short sighted and do not have any statistics behind them to even unjustify their existence.


Stop trying to take our rights away. You swore an oath to defend the
constitution not to destroy it. All I see is a constant attack and
stripping of our privacy and civil rights Cease and desist.

Senate Bill 755 (Wolk) expands the list of persons prohibited from owning a
firearm.

Rebuttal:
Where does the list ever stop? Once a list like this gets created, you will
find every reason on the planet to add everyone to it. Referring to the
mentally ill, let’s design and implement programs that fix the broken mental
health system in this country and build better rehabilitation programs. It
seems you simply have given up on us Americans and our basic rights.

Assembly Bill 169 (Dickinson), which BANS the sale of handguns not on the
state-approved roster.

Rebuttal:
Good people exercising caution always make good choices in private gun
transfers. FFL03 with Certificates of Eligibility holders are persons that
have gone through the rigors of background and Good moral character checks. We are asked by the DOJ to help monitor the exchange and transfer in private party transfers to flush out criminals. We are required to log transfers even for curios and relics, as well as use an FFL01 to transfer modern day handguns into the state of California.

Collectors of firearms collect just like a stamp collectors collect stamps or
a coin collector collects coins. They have the right to collect as many as
they want with no restrictions to when it was sold or used.

In closing you need law abiding citizens to help deter the Criminals by
allowing us to meet them with equal or greater force to win the battle
against crime.

The theater Massacre and Sandyhook are examples of Gun free zones that to a criminal are free for all killing opportunities. If the theater would have
had CCW holders carrying, the shooter would have been met with a force that would have save lives.

We need to fortify our schools and teach our children that Firearms used
properly and how to defend themselves in the long run teaches good citizens
to be safe and learn the consequences of submitting and cowering. That will
only get you killed

Why not go after Video Games or Hollywood movies that seem to endlessly
portray violence, and leave us gun owners alone, to protect ourselves in how we see fit.

Again Assault is what people do to people and is not a word or phrase that
should be used to define firearms that used in the proper manor allow us to
exercise the rights to traditional sportsmanship, competition shooting and
self-defense.

Thank you
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They don't care about any of that. It isn't their money. Your tax dollars pay their lawyers. If they need more money, they will raise your taxes to get it.

If they do loose in court, they will pass the same bills again the following year. They will get taken to court once more where again, your tax dollars are used against you, and again if they need more money your taxes get raised again.

See how that works? It's endless. They simply do not care.
people have a limit as to how much they're willing to pay in taxes. it took a LOT of arm twisting to get the last tax increase passed.i dont see limitless tax increases. They may not care about our rights, but they need to know this crap is going to get expensive.
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that does not cost the state too much, and there are a lot of things that have been offered that fall into that category.

So I think that bullet button bill (SB 47), storage bill (SB 108), mandated reporting (SB 127), unsafe handguns (AB 169), AW owner restrictions (AB 170), pre-emption exception for Oakland (AB 180), ammunition taxes (AB 187) are all likely candidates, if they reach his desk. They would give Brown a lot of reasons to brag that California remains the state with the strongest gun control.

Ammunition purchase permits and increased background checks MIGHT get vetoed if Brown thinks they cost too much money, but that would be the only reason, IMHO. The only reason AB 180 won't get signed is that Brown thinks firearms law should be handled at the state level, but he is a former Mayor of Oakland, and I would be surprised if AB 180 was not discussed with Brown before it was introduced.

If Oakland gets AB 180, look for SF and LA to beg and whine to be added to the list. It would be a step toward making California like Illinois, and Los Angeles like Chicago.
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If there were an 'R' next to the governor's name anti-gun legislation wouldn't even be suggested let alone voted on.
what? If there is a chance to pass a bill and have a republican veto it they would gladly oblige. What better proof that republicans want to run your life, steal your girlfriend, and kill your babies than to have one veto new anti-gun bills?
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I'll bet he would veto some or all of the bills if we could some how derail his High Speed Bullet Train project that he wants so bad.
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"California is the leading state for gun control and I'm proud of that" 2:50 into the first video.


What happened Team Moonbeam? Wasn't this our 2A hero?
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But look who he was up against, Meg Whitman's the local version of a female Romney. Nobody rich and white who bought the nomination will win here. We need somebody who can explain the economy in a charismatic way and convince voters that their lives would be better if their family members had more opportunity. And that candidate needs to be a regular person, not a super rich elite.
1. Only rich people can afford to run. Brown and Whitman spent plenty of their own money on their campaigns.

2. This people of this state don't want conservatism. They want full bore socialism. High taxes, big government, plenty of social programs and driving out any viable business. Republicans won't win here because women care more about choosing what to do with their vagina than having a job, people would rather get free money than work for it, people would rather tax others into leaving than not have every social program imaginable.

The people of California are getting the government they voted for. Stop blaming the Republicans for losing because their platform is different than the Democrats and start blaming the dumba**ses that keep voting for Democrats.
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Gonna go out there and state I didn't vote for him.

I also couldn't vote AGAINST him. I wasn't in the state long enough to vote for that one. Had *just* moved here. :/
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1. Only rich people can afford to run. Brown and Whitman spent plenty of their own money on their campaigns.

2. This people of this state don't want conservatism. They want full bore socialism. High taxes, big government, plenty of social programs and driving out any viable business. Republicans won't win here because women care more about choosing what to do with their vagina than having a job, people would rather get free money than work for it, people would rather tax others into leaving than not have every social program imaginable.

The people of California are getting the government they voted for. Stop blaming the Republicans for losing because their platform is different than the Democrats and start blaming the dumba**ses that keep voting for Democrats.
I'd have voted Republican in the Presidential election if Romney would have kept his nose out of my vaginal affairs.

Seriously. If Republicans get rid of the gay hate and the abortion/female reproduction hate they'll be a LOT more successful. Those are the two big things keeping them back against the liberals.

PS: I did a write in vote for the Presidency. Always do when both candidates suck that much.
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Hahaha you are clearly too young to remember his first term. He's the same.
you are correct. i was only about 7 or 8 years old the first time around and i never heard anything good about him.

i heard this alot. "when sitting in traffic thank Jerry Brown."

as to what bills he may sign i really can't say at all. hopefully some of the most draconian are vetoed and not overridden by the legislature.
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I've written Jerry brown a couple times with no response. Snail mail and email.

We are doomed if villaraigosa becomes gov. It's unbelievable IMO that he would even be talked about as a governor. The only thing I recall of him doing is potholes (FAIL in my neck of the city), sex scandal, and Hispanic rights.

In regards to 2A he has been a critic of the NRA and also has said he will not wait for Washington to respond.
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I'd have voted Republican in the Presidential election if Romney would have kept his nose out of my vaginal affairs.

Seriously. If Republicans get rid of the gay hate and the abortion/female reproduction hate they'll be a LOT more successful. Those are the two big things keeping them back against the liberals.

PS: I did a write in vote for the Presidency. Always do when both candidates suck that much.
And my point is proved.
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I'd have voted Republican in the Presidential election if Romney would have kept his nose out of my vaginal affairs.

Seriously. If Republicans get rid of the gay hate and the abortion/female reproduction hate they'll be a LOT more successful. Those are the two big things keeping them back against the liberals.

PS: I did a write in vote for the Presidency. Always do when both candidates suck that much.

That is the key for Republicans in California. No so in other areas in the US. There are some areas in the US that the religious fanatics are extremely concerned what you are doing in your bedroom and what you discuss with your doctor.
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