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Old 04-22-2013, 12:14 PM
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Just got the May edition of Gun Mag, and am appaled at the attempt by CCRKBA to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory. I am a long time supporter of SAF and CCRKBA, but disapprove of the recent actions. I am afraid CCRKBA was trying too hard to make themselves relevant in the gun debate. I am afraid that it has backfired on that organization. Rightfully so. I will be requesting the refund of 3 recent contributions to that organization. I hope the coming backlash does not effect SAF, as the work of that org is top notch.

Mr. Gottlieb, you have no authority to compromise with my liberty to sell or buy a firearm at a gunshow.

I thought I would never say it, but thank god for the NRA.
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On behalf of those of us who didnt just get our May edition of Gun Mag...wut
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NRA is the only one that helps you on federal legislation. NRA dominates that part of the game

They need to learn to shut up and go on doing the dirty court work behind the scenes.
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Take a breath. If Alan Gottlieb hasn't earned the benefit of a doubt, no-one has. We have no idea what maneuvering was necessary to tank this bill. I wouldn't blame Gottlieb one bit for trying to influence the outcome of the bill.
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NRA is the only one that helps you on federal legislation. NRA dominates that part of the game

They need to learn to shut up and go on doing the dirty court work behind the scenes.
The dirty court work will only keep us out of hot water as long as SCOTUS is semi frirendly. I think we need some positive PR working for us as well.
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The dirty court work will only keep us out of hot water as long as SCOTUS is semi frirendly. I think we need some positive PR working for us as well.
when SCOTUS isnt friendly then you worry about it

right now isnt the time to just throw away rights....
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No doubt Gottlieb is a friend. His work with SAF shows just that. I am afraid that he was trying to make CCRKBA relevant on Capitol Hill. It is not relevant, and after this probably never will be.

His justification for compromising away my rights were to make it illegal for someone to create a federal registry of guns. That's fine, but it already is illegal.

The next thing was restoration of rights to certain felons. I understand why that is close to his heart, as he is a felon himself.

In the meantime Gottlieb, my rights are not yours to compromise away.
CCRKBA has a policy that they will refund donations. I encourage those here to take them up on that promise, and give that money to an effective organization, like the NRA.
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No doubt Gottlieb is a friend. His work with SAF shows just that. I am afraid that he was trying to make CCRKBA relevant on Capitol Hill. It is not relevant, and after this probably never will be.

His justification for compromising away my rights were to make it illegal for someone to create a federal registry of guns. That's fine, but it already is illegal.

The next thing was restoration of rights to certain felons. I understand why that is close to his heart, as he is a felon himself.

In the meantime Gottlieb, my rights are not yours to compromise away.
CCRKBA has a policy that they will refund donations. I encourage those here to take them up on that promise, and give that money to an effective organization, like the NRA.
It's funny you should mention this. I have seen this posted about Gottlieb before, but no one ever takes the time to post what his felony was.

So I looked it up and found out why people always leave out that part. It's because they can't make Gottlieb sound as evil when they disclose that he got popped or tax evasion. Not only that, the amount of taxes he apparently evaded wasnt a whole lot.

Government said he owed 40k between 1977-78 and he eventually agreed to owing 17k, paid a $5000 fine and got Work release that he did about 8 months on.

Yeah, ol Gottlieb is a Dillinger reincarnate I'm sure. BFD. Lose gun rights for that? I think not.

Im also thinking that a BS felony like this, more than a quarter century ago, should have just about zero bearing on anything.
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Old 04-23-2013, 7:31 AM
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Take a breath. If Alan Gottlieb hasn't earned the benefit of a doubt, no-one has. We have no idea what maneuvering was necessary to tank this bill. I wouldn't blame Gottlieb one bit for trying to influence the outcome of the bill.
I totally agree here, although I may be a little more skeptical in supporting CCRKBA in the future.
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Old 04-23-2013, 7:59 AM
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One of the key reasons Gottlieb was involved was to have a guaranteed path to restore gun ownership rights. Make sure no registry could be made, have nationwide reciprocity. They did just fine and perhaps better than the NRA as they can say they "played ball". I am a lifelong member of SAF and CCRKBA.
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let's not snipe at our ranks, we need more people to fight back against the assaults by anti-human rights terrorists.
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