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Old 04-19-2013, 7:49 PM
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From the article i still don't see how he could be arrested, the charges seem made up. I hope his father goes after the city and LEO for this.
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Absolutely disgusting, and I hope they sue that school district, teacher and police department.
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It shouldn't. You have more rights in this country than on any other on earth.
Very true. The cringe is a result of seeing liberals attempting to erode those precious rights. And the country seems to be full of these asshats pushing their own agenda, emboldened by the political "leaders" who don't seem to give a damn about the U.S. Constitution anymore. No end in sight to this nonsense.
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I wonder if they are going to take a saw to the rifle on the statue.

Or white out to all the pictures in the history books.
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It shouldn't. You have more rights in this country than on any other on earth.
Even if this is true, it is of no real consolation. The entire world has been heading into the abyss of oppression, and even if the U.S. is better than the rest of the world in this respect, it's right on the heels of the other countries.

And if you don't believe me, you need only ask whether or not this student would have been treated this way for doing this very thing 50 years ago.
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wait, there is a statue in front of the school of an individual with a rifle...and they dont like his shirt? lol
Exactly its like when I was in high school they had a big anti racism rally ( Rodney King video had just gone national ) but our school mascot / team was the Indians. And they didn't get the irony, racist double standard or why half the student body didn't attend and actually did a sit out in the quad.
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WTF is wrong with some people. Its just a gun, not some horrible violent evil force.
Pretty soon the old superstition that taking someones picture steals their soul will be put into legislation banning the video recording of government employees.

Dr. Garen Wintemute is leading the charge to set science and medicine back hundreds of years by claiming guns (i.e. inanimate objects) are the same as living organisms that have powers over human behavior. This belief in animism belongs in religious circles not public policy. An even bigger insult is that he has been doing all of this "research" on the tax payer's dime at UC Davis and from the CDC.
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such hypocrites!!

you know their next step will be to remove the statue.

The one on the left is political free speech. The one on the right can be construed as 'power of the state". The statue stays.
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Obstruction has always been used as a "contempt of cop" charge. I would bet that the arresting officer is an acquaintance of the teacher. The police nowdays "protect and serve" THE STATE.
That's why I don't buy any of this "Oathkeeper" crap. Maybe a small minority of LEOs and military will refuse to go up against patriot citizens, but by and large I think the rank and file will bend us over like prom queens if it comes to that.

That cop, and all local authorities should have told this teacher to STFU and do her job, which does not include making her own policies based on personal beliefs.

I hope this kid's dad sues the s**t out of these people and wins.
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I hope so, but I didn't wait. I e-mailed the reporter and asked her to pass my contact info along to Mr. Marcum, plus the info that if he has to lawyer up to get his son out of this jam I would welcome the opportunity to open my checkbook and help him out with a contribution to his legal fees.

That teacher and her school district needs some remedial education...
Excellent idea!

I hope you don't mind me stealing your idea. I just sent a similar email.
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+1 but suspending for a first time wear would be wrong. It would be over turned on appeal. Even for disruption there'd have to be a history of disruption. That shirt wouldn't qualify because it doesn't qualify as promoting violence. In fact it's a first amendment issue because it is directly political speech.
Unfortunately, at my site, it would probably lead to a suspension even without a history of disruption. It would be overturned the minute an attorney appeared. I agree, it is protected first amendment speech. In my high school, I have worked under 3 principals. Only one was not PC and demanded student rights be protected. He was removed from his job. The next two were PC and had no problem suspending students who wore shirts with the wrong political messages while protecting other students belonging to certain groups from expulsion as a result of violent offenses that injured other students. Both (including the current one) were removed after costing the district millions to settle lawsuits and not because they were ineffective. The district would rather uphold the suspensions and have the parents sue and win. The majority of parents do not have the money to sue. The district is funded by the taxpayers and suffers no real consequence if it looses.
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West Virginia?

I see the school district and county paying out big time on this one when dear old dad gets a 1st and 2nd amendment attorney. I hope this story is followed up on.
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Excellent idea!

I hope you don't mind me stealing your idea. I just sent a similar email.
Thankyou, and no I don't mind at all. Hope I/we hear back. If I do, I'll post up the response here. Would be really a good PR move to show WV that there are still some sane citizens in the prk that value our Bill of Rights.....the ENTIRE Bill of Rights.....
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You have more rights in this country than on any other on earth.
I'm having serious doubts!
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I wonder if the NRA will help this family out
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Exactly its like when I was in high school they had a big anti racism rally ( Rodney King video had just gone national ) but our school mascot / team was the Indians. And they didn't get the irony, racist double standard or why half the student body didn't attend and actually did a sit out in the quad.
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I expect them to. It's their shirt!
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Hope these jokers get fired.
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****ing hypocritical idiots...

This is exactly how long, bloody and pointless wars are started...

Anyone who is hurt or killed thanks to the backlash from this incident will have this pathetic excuse for an American (teacher) to blame.
Wow,where did you pull that one out of?
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Wonder if it would have been any different if he wore a tshirt with the a picture of the statue in front of his school which is a soldier holding a gun.

would love to see this^^^ tested
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All I can say is:
Tinker v. Des Moins anyone?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=1&oi=scholarr
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Good thing he didn't have an American flag shirt. They would have really thrown the book at him. Dam right wing militia member!
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All I can say is:
Tinker v. Des Moins anyone?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=1&oi=scholarr
Excellent read. Thank you.
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There is a case that is on point here,
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1960-1969/1968/1968_21
Tinker v. Des Moines School District
It's a 1960s case.
In this school it was forbidden to wear an arm band.
Some students wore an arm band to protest the Vietnam War and were suspended.
The SCOTUS held: unconstitutional because the school could not prove that wearing an arm band materially and substantially interferes with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school
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From the article i still don't see how he could be arrested, the charges seem made up. I hope his father goes after the city and LEO for this.
Just another example of cops doing whatever the hell they want regardless of the law, civil liberties or the constitution. Ethics and integrity? Whats that?
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All I can say is:
Tinker v. Des Moins anyone?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...=1&oi=scholarr
yes, you beat me to it
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As I posted on facebook, well before I replied to this thread (not being a California resident, simply a transient denied his rights to property, I post here later):

I hope the school district receives receives a quick, harsh "bench-slap" and the young man gets a settlement such that his college is paid for due to the denial of his rights.
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charged with obstruction and disturbing the education process? There is a law against disturbing the education process WTF?
Yes, in CA it is in the Education Code which is laws that specifically govern schools. However, wearing a shirt that is not against the dress code would not violate that. Disrupting class would, but again the student did not disrupt class the teacher did. The father needs to call all the school board members and the superintendent, if they don't resolve it immediately all he has to do is find a lawyer and that will resolve immediately. School districts usually cave when a lawyer is involved (or even mentioned) and especially in this case where the employee (teacher) was clearly wrong.
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It turns out this kid is actually the son of a popular youtuber BlackRifleAR15. Here's a video of his. Understandable why his son would be a staunch 2A supporter.

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Good thing he didn't have an American flag shirt. They would have really thrown the book at him. Dam right wing militia member!
If I recall about 3 years back some students were suspended in a cali school for wearing American flag tees.....
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Dumba55 skool...wish there statue comes alive and back hands the teacher...
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So what city and state is this Logan County School Dist in? I want to write a letter. Landscape looks like KY?

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Has anybody thought they might be treating a shirt with a gun on it the same way they do for tobacco shirts, alcohol shirts, or pot shirts? I bet you still can't send an 8th grader to school in a shirt with a big pot leaf on it in Washington or Colorado. Just do play devil's advocate. Tobacco and alcohol aren't illegal either, but schools still usually have policies preventing that type of attire.
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Has anybody thought they might be treating a shirt with a gun on it the same way they do for tobacco shirts, alcohol shirts, or pot shirts? I bet you still can't send an 8th grader to school in a shirt with a big pot leaf on it in Washington or Colorado. Just do play devil's advocate. Tobacco and alcohol aren't illegal either, but schools still usually have policies preventing that type of attire.
yet this school did have a policy on what you can't wear and pictures of guns wasn't listed
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Has anybody thought they might be treating a shirt with a gun on it the same way they do for tobacco shirts, alcohol shirts, or pot shirts? I bet you still can't send an 8th grader to school in a shirt with a big pot leaf on it in Washington or Colorado. Just do play devil's advocate. Tobacco and alcohol aren't illegal either, but schools still usually have policies preventing that type of attire.
They are illegal for minors and are usually specifically mentioned in dress code policies.
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I am not sure why anyone is even having this discussion. The curriculum of the public schools is anti 2a, and they proudly portray it daily. Is anyone really surprised? Read the news and we can see this happening daily. The real problem is the public education system. It is working just how the government wants it to, and those who send their kids to these types of schools, are voluntarily making their children temporarily wards of the state.

Lets see what is illegal

eating pop tart into gun..........crime

Giving child abortion pill without parental consent..............legal

Pointing finger into gun.............crime

Taking child off campus to have surgery without parental consent........legal

Pretending to throw hand grenade while playing army..............crime

Handing out condoms and giving sexual counseling (wink wink) legal

Become a part of the solution and take your kids away from the state!
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Even if this is true, it is of no real consolation. The entire world has been heading into the abyss of oppression, and even if the U.S. is better than the rest of the world in this respect, it's right on the heels of the other countries.

And if you don't believe me, you need only ask whether or not this student would have been treated this way for doing this very thing 50 years ago.
50 years ago this student probably would have not dreamed of wearing anything remotely controversial in school. And 50 years ago he might have gotten physically disciplined and no one would have blinked.

It's not like 50 years ago things were any better. On the 2A front, they were. But that's about it.
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It's not like 50 years ago things were any better. On the 2A front, they were. But that's about it.
Yep. People forget the progress made for women over the last 50 years for instance as just one example. Yes I know the pendulum swings too far in some cases—but that's human nature in everything now isn't it?
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There is a case that is on point here,
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1960-1969/1968/1968_21
Tinker v. Des Moines School District
It's a 1960s case.
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The SCOTUS held: unconstitutional because the school could not prove that wearing an arm band materially and substantially interferes with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school
Ahhh Tinker. Brings back law school memories in Con. Law.

This is going to get really bad for the school and county who arrested the kid. Tinker right ON POINT.
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