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Old 04-17-2013, 11:34 AM
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Default My views may be differnt than most of you but I am all for the 2nd Amendment

I wrote a letter today for the first time ever about any subject to a bunch of politicians. Including Boxser, Fienstien,Brown, Villaragosa, Waters and a few more.

heres a copy let me know what you think. Keep in mind brothers and sisters we must rally support on both sides of the aisle to keep our right from being infringed.

Governor Brown

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. I am not a member of the NRA; I support gay-rights, I agree with universal background checks with no national registry, and identify myself as a democrat supportive of President Obama. I am strongly opposed to any new gun laws being added to the books in the wake of the Newtown Massacre. A law should not be based on emotion but what is right and wrong. If a law was based on emotion whichever group displays the largest emotion would win. Abortion may be a differnt story (as we are seeing in other states) if emotion was greater than support of an individuals right to choose. Please do not take any action or move forward on any new Gun control legislation that infringe on our rights.
The 2nd amendment has deeper meaning than hunting and home protection and that should be genuinely acknowledged. I agree that military weapons to do not belong on the streets of Los Angeles however the people should be able to arm themselves at a level equal to their local law enforcement agency. We rely on local law enforcement to "protect and serve” as required. Should they fail or be hindered in ability to fulfill their duty an individual should be able to protect their lives and the lives of others as well as personal property.

I was 11 years old when the city of Los Angeles erupted in riots after the verdicts of the police charged in the Rodney King beating were given. I remember the skyline filled with smoke trails from fires. The rampant crime and violence was everywhere. I remembered the police left us, they ran, they were overwhelmed, they fled, they re-grouped, they abandoned us....whatever you want to call it. They left the people to fend for ourselves. Over the next 6 days with police grossly overwhelmed and with the National Guard called in the riots claimed 58 lives. Loss was in the hundreds of millions.

It is important as I stated the 2 Amendment is rooted in our most sacred of documents. I truly believe that everyone should take the time sit down and read it and most importantly ask why? Why? Why did our founding fathers see such an importance in acknowledging the average person has a right "to bear arms that shall not be infringed upon"? Tyranny does exist hopefully we will never have to deal with that. Civil unrest, natural disaster, disease outbreak, terrorism and crime in general all could create a situation where a person may need to defend themselves and protect their loved ones from harm.

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Very nice. Well done.
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There is no such thing as UBC without a gun registry. It is completely unenforceable.
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May he listen to logic and reason on this.
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Good to see Democrats pressuring their party on gun rights. You need to get more of like minded people and make sure you change the Democratic Platform to exclude prejudice about so-called "assault weapons."

I am assuming that when you state "I agree that military weapons to do not belong on the streets of Los Angeles..." you understand that semi-auto centerfire rifles such as AR-15 are NOT military weapons.
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As a side issue, your title is stereotyping gun owners. You should work on your own prejudices too...
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As a side issue, your title is stereotyping gun owners. You should work on your own prejudices too...
In what way is his title stereotyping gun owners?
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I do. I just completed my 1st build Ak 74 and am starting on a 556.
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I think its important that democrats who support 2nd amendment rights voice-up and make thier numbers known.
Sorry if the title offends but last time i said anything remotely nice about Obama I got it hard...know what I mean?
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Yes, it seems we probably do disagree on a couple of issues, but more importantly, we agree on 2A. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who agrees with me on this issue is welcome to fight at my side. We can discuss the other things after we win this one.
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In what way is his title stereotyping gun owners?
Gun ownership has nothing to do with any other views held by individuals. Assigning assumed properties to groups is by definition stereotyping.
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Sorry if the title offends but last time i said anything remotely nice about Obama I got it hard...know what I mean?
The title doesn't offend. It's just a stereotype that makes your point weaker. It would be like assuming that black people are gang sympathizers based on correlation in inner city Chicago. Your title, combined with the beginning of your letter where you express your social views, implies that you attribute social conservatism to the gun owners. That process is called "stereotyping."
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NHR,

We are in the position we are in because far too many Democrat sympathizers enabled the current administration to be put in place, all while ignoring some long term consequences. "Hope" and "Change" have such a neat tone to it, until you realize that elections have consequences...and in this case, the very people you helped elect are intent to eliminate any and all of your gun rights.

Those you voted for have proposed legislation to introduce the elimination of common arms, given money wholesale to cultures and governments that despise us, give away money in entitlements to those who would contribute little to not at all to our national competitiveness, attacked values like traditional marriage in the interest of destroying the meaning of the word (because equal legal standing isn't enough), hamstrung our military and weakened our national defense, opened up our borders to over 98% approval of all immigration applications, and much much more.

Somehow, while your letter may be well meaning...the camel's nose is in the tent, and I don't think it's coming out anytime soon. Elections have consequences - your vote helped enable this one.
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Gun ownership has nothing to do with any other views held by individuals. Assigning assumed properties to groups is by definition stereotyping.
Democrat and/or liberal gun owners are a distinct minority among gun owners in general. This was a simple statement of fact and can in no way be considered stereotyping. Like saying there are more white Americans than black Americans is not prejudice, it's just math.
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I think its important that democrats who support 2nd amendment rights voice-up and make thier numbers known.
Sorry if the title offends but last time i said anything remotely nice about Obama I got it hard...know what I mean?
To do that, you should have not necessarily voted along the party lines. You should have voted the anti-2A Democrat (Feinstein and Boxer) out and in your letter, you should specify that you're a concerned registered Democrat.

Also, please ask your fellow partisans if they have lived thru the L.A. riots of 21 years ago like you did. If you lived thru the riots, guess which shops and stores were not looted? Then you will know why gun bans and confiscations are a really bad idea.
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NHR,

We are in the position we are in because far too many Democrat sympathizers enabled the current administration to be put in place, all while ignoring some long term consequences. "Hope" and "Change" have such a neat tone to it, until you realize that elections have consequences...and in this case, the very people you helped elect are intent to eliminate any and all of your gun rights.

Those you voted for have proposed legislation to introduce the elimination of common arms, given money wholesale to cultures and governments that despise us, give away money in entitlements to those who would contribute little to not at all to our national competitiveness, attacked values like traditional marriage in the interest of destroying the meaning of the word (because equal legal standing isn't enough), hamstrung our military and weakened our national defense, opened up our borders to over 98% approval of all immigration applications, and much much more.

Somehow, while your letter may be well meaning...the camel's nose is in the tent, and I don't think it's coming out anytime soon. Elections have consequences - your vote helped enable this one.

Did he say who he voted for?
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The title doesn't offend. It's just a stereotype that makes your point weaker. It would be like assuming that black people are gang sympathizers based on correlation in inner city Chicago. Your title, combined with the beginning of your letter where you express your social views, implies that you attribute social conservatism to the gun owners. That process is called "stereotyping."
It is stereotyping but at the same time trying disprove the stereotype, if that makes any sense.

The more the party knows that this issue doesn't fit into a nice little party line box, the better off we'll be. Of course, all of this means nothing if Pro-2A Dems don't make them pay at the polls when they decide to ignore them and continue on their quest to trample all over our Constitution. I'm also kind of like the OP, still a registered D for that matter. Can't tell you the last time I voted for one though and I let them know every time why they don't have my vote anymore. My rights are not negotiable.
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Funny, I didn't and don't support 0bama or any other democrat politicians and I continue to take it hard.........know what I mean?
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I witnessed the New Haven riots and saw owners stand helplessly by as their property got looted and set on fire. Same thing, the police were nowhere to be found. LE is human, they get scared like anyone else.
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The title doesn't offend. It's just a stereotype that makes your point weaker. It would be like assuming that black people are gang sympathizers based on correlation in inner city Chicago. Your title, combined with the beginning of your letter where you express your social views, implies that you attribute social conservatism to the gun owners. That process is called "stereotyping."
His title says "may be different". This is a very polite understatement. His views, as he presents them, are very definitely different from the majority of those here on the 2A forum. What is your estimate of the ratio between conservative and liberal gun owners? My own wild guess would be 85% conservative/ 10% moderate / 5% liberal. I find this "stereotyping" complaint about the OP quite peculiar.
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Democrat and/or liberal gun owners are a distinct minority among gun owners in general. This was a simple statement of fact and can in no way be considered stereotyping. Like saying there are more white Americans than black Americans is not prejudice, it's just math.
Stereotyping is precisely taking a "statement of facts" and applying it to the whole group to create a negative association.

Think about all the "statements of facts" when applied to women, men, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, etc. Just because some characteristic might be factually prevalent in a group it doesn't mean it's not stereotyping when applying it to the whole group, particularly when used in a negative manner. The letter to Brown starts by distancing the OP from the stereotype of gun owners in order to create a positive association with the Governor.

The only reason I'm pointing this out in the first place is because the left tends to believe they are very tolerant, while acting with extreme prejudice against those who are different. Expressing irrelevant social views and distancing from the "stereotype of a gun owner" indeed represents a prejudice.
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op, law enforcement has no legal obligation to protect you.
This^^^^^

Didn't the SCOTUS ruled that not long ago?
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Well, the opening of the letter is hopefully going to get him to continue reading as I think he would be more prone to doing so knowing its from a fellow party member who agrees with major party views. Remeber this is a copy of a personal letter from me to him making no representations of a whole group but as individual. I explained the title earlier. I just wanted to get feeback. Ive made notes of your notes.
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Stereotyping is precisely taking a "statement of facts" and applying it to the whole group to create a negative association.

Think about all the "statements of facts" when applied to women, men, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, etc. Just because some characteristic might be factually prevalent in a group it doesn't mean it's not stereotyping when applying it to the whole group, particularly when used in a negative manner. The letter to Brown starts by distancing the OP from the stereotype of gun owners in order to create a positive association with the Governor.
What is the "stereotype" of gun owners to which you refer? What is this "negative association" that you are talking about?

This is the title to which you objected:

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His views ARE different than most people in this forum. Why continue insisting otherwise?

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The only reason I'm pointing this out in the first place is because the left tends to believe they are very tolerant, while acting with extreme prejudice against those who are different. Expressing irrelevant social views and distancing from the "stereotype of a gun owner" indeed represents a prejudice.
Where is the quote "stereotype of a gun owner" from? You are putting words in the OP's mouth and then tsk-tsking about them.
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In what way is his title stereotyping gun owners?
I am not a member of the NRA; I support gay-rights, I agree with universal background checks with no national registry, and identify myself as a democrat supportive of President Obama.

His views are significantly different than mine. In my case, he nailed it.

That being said, that was a very well written letter.
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This^^^^^

Didn't the SCOTUS ruled that not long ago?
That's relative, depending on your age.
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and identify myself as a democrat supportive of President Obama.
I agree that military weapons to do not belong on the streets of Los Angeles

"however the people should be able to arm themselves at a level equal to their local law enforcement agency. "

Tyranny does exist hopefully we will never have to deal with that.
He is "supportive of president Obama"...even after all the anti-American garbage the man has spewed and all the infinitely bad decisions he has made.

OK, OP - let's talk about being able to arm ourselves to a level equal to that of a law enforcement agency. Do you really believe any of those on your side of the aisle could possibly take you seriously? Just because some of us are able to afford such things, it will *never* happen.










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Op- sorry but there are no 2a friendly democrat politicians, so if you don't vote for republicans, you do not support the 2nd amendment. Sad, but true



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What is the "stereotype" of gun owners to which you refer? What is this "negative association" that you are talking about?
The title is distancing from the "typical gun owner"; the first few sentences are distancing from the "typical gun owner." Defining a "typical gun owner" from which to distance oneself is stereotyping.

It would be akin to writing to a southern democrat of yesteryears and starting with: "Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. I am not a member of the NAACP; I don't like fried chicken and watermelon..."

See the issue?
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Democratic Senators. Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Max Baucus of Montana voted against it.
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nhr310!

I enjoyed your post. But honestly, you can't be supportive of Obama and a RKBA person at the same time.

Obama has stated to John Lott that he did not think civilians should be allowed to have firearms. The evidence supports the idea that Obama is still of that opinion.

But there are, indeed, Democrats who are supportive of the RKBA. I've come to doubt any elected Democrats who claim to support the RKBA. Senator Reid has been an NRA favorite and has been considered very pro-RKBA, but in the last few weeks he has demonstrated that he is a friend to the RKBA only when it is politically convenient.

Do note that some of those on your list were still sitting on the fence as to whether to support further gun control in the last few days. I honestly believe that if they thought Obama could get them re-elected next time around that they would have voted to trash our rights. But Obama is not doing all that well politically at this time and just didn't have the clout to force people to his side of the equation.
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I wrote a letter today for the first time ever about any subject to a bunch of politicians. Including Boxser, Fienstien,Brown, Villaragosa, Waters and a few more.

heres a copy let me know what you think. Keep in mind brothers and sisters we must rally support on both sides of the aisle to keep our right from being infringed. . . .
(Truncated by me.)

What do I think?

In your post, here is what I care about, in order of occurrence, not in order of importance: "My views may be differnt than most of you but I am all for the 2nd Amendment."

Learn how to check the spelling of what you post and/or send to politicians: "differnt."

Learn what academic English is and then use it consistently: "different from," not "differnt than."

Learn how to use your keyboard's space bar correctly: "I wrote a letter today . . . to . . . Boxser, Fienstien,Brown, Villaragosa, Waters and a few more."

Learn how to spell the names of politicians correctly: “Boxer” not “Boxser,” and “Villaraigosa” not “Villaragosa.” "Feinstein," not "Fienstien."

Learn how to apply capitalization and punctuation rules and then do so consistently: "heres a copy . . ."

Learn what a sentence is so that you can consistently apply the correct end punctuation to it and consistently separate it from the next sentence.

Write: "Here's a copy. Let me know what you think." Do not write: "heres a copy let me know what you think."

Join the NRA: "I am not a member of the NRA." Despite its flaws and numerous mistakes over the years, the NRA today is the most effective and powerful lobbying organization in the United States of America, if not in the world.

I have no interest in oppressing gays: "I support gay-rights." Stop implicitly stereotyping Second Amendment supporters. There are no "gay-rights." There are only "rights."

Do some research. Find out if most Second Amendment supporters on this forum oppose "gay-rights" or support them.

You can launch a poll here the next time you feel like making a generalization about us. After you get a numerically relevant number of responses, you can then cite the numbers—but only as anecdotal evidence of course.

Do not invent new hyphenation rules: "gay-rights" should not be hyphenated.

Buy, read, study, and memorize a simple book that will show you the conventions of academic English. I recommend this paperback: English Grammar Simplified, by George Curme. You can buy it for $4.00, including shipping, from a well-known online vendor whose name rhymes with Obamazon.

Please learn the true and main purpose of the Second Amendment.

It is not duck hunting, recreational sport shooting, pistol competition, etc.

It is to keep the citizenry armed in the event that we should need to take arms against the government.

When you write: "I agree with universal background checks with no national registry," you show that you have not taken this seriously.

All forms of background checks run the risk of creating records that identify who owns what. These are precisely the kinds of records a tyrannical government would use, preliminarily, to track down gun owners for the sake of disarming us.

(This explains a lot: "I . . . identify myself as a democrat supportive of President Obama.")

This sounds like a sixth-grader wrote it: "I am strongly opposed to any new gun laws being added to the books in the wake of the Newtown Massacre. A law should not be based on emotion but what is right and wrong."

If you want to say something mature, write something like: "Gun laws should be formulated according to the same standard of strict scrutiny that all other fundamental rights (freedom of expression, etc.) are protected by."

Do some legal research and find out what the concept of “strict scrutiny” means.

Again, please learn the deepest purpose of the Second Amendment. It is based on an assumption that most adults in America today regard as unendurably pessimistic: The government could turn on the people. The people need to retain and exercise effective armed defense against that eventuality.

This is nonsense: "If a law was based on emotion whichever group displays the largest emotion would win."

All forms of rationale for any bill take into account affective factors.

Humans are not robots.

All good laws take into account “feelings,” one way or another.

Do not ham-handedly start mixing in other topics about which you know little or nothing: "Abortion may be a differnt story (as we are seeing in other states) if emotion was greater than support of an individuals right to choose. Please do not take any action or move forward on any new Gun control legislation that infringe on our rights.”

Learn the correct way to form a possessive form (“an individual’s right”).

"Different," not "differnt." (You did that twice!)

Do not randomly capitalize words: "any new Gun control legislation." The word “gun” is not a proper name.

Do not contradict yourself in arguments aimed at supporting the Second Amendment: "The 2nd amendment has deeper meaning than hunting and home protection and that should be genuinely acknowledged. I agree that military weapons to do not belong on the streets of Los Angeles however the people should be able to arm themselves at a level equal to their local law enforcement agency."

Have you noticed lately how your "local law enforcement agency" is armed with respect to hand-held firearms? Answer: Just like the military. Wake up.

These are all routinely issued to and carried by both the U.S. military and the LAPD (currently or in the past): Beretta 92FS 9MM, 12-gauge shotguns (Mossberg, Remington, Ithaca, etc.), AR-15-type "patrol rifles," and Remington 700s.

You fail to separate subordinate clauses from main clauses with the necessary punctuation (see the square brackets in what follows): "We rely on local law enforcement to 'protect and serve' as required. Should they fail or be hindered in ability to fulfill their duty[,] an individual should be able to protect their lives and the lives of others as well as personal property."

"I was 11 years old when [Delete execessive verbiage: "the city of"] Los Angeles erupted in riots after the verdicts of the police charged in the Rodney King beating were given."

Do not shift illogically from present tense to preterite ("simple past"): "I remember the skyline . . . I remembered."

Learn when to use the plural form of a verb: Write this, "Rampant crime and violence were everywhere," not this, "The rampant crime and violence was everywhere." And do not put a definite article in front of a pair of abstract, indivisible nouns. Academic English does not do this.

This is a run-on sentence, a needlessly repetitive one at that: "I remembered the police left us, they ran, they were overwhelmed, they fled, they re-grouped, they abandoned us....whatever you want to call it."

Learn how to use ellipses. You do not put four consecutive unspaced periods in a sentence to indicate ellipsis. Look up this topic in the book I mentioned above.

Do not use two consecutive unpunctuated introductory constructions--sixteen words in length--to introduce a five-word sentence (notice the commas I've inserted in the square brackets): "Over the next 6 days[,] with police grossly overwhelmed and with the National Guard called in[,] the riots claimed 58 lives."

This is your third or fourth fused construction: "It is important as I stated the 2[nd] Amendment is rooted in our most sacred of documents." Learn how to separate one sentence from the next.

Do not write "2" or "2nd" in a letter to a letter in which you are attempting to argue that the "Second" Amendment shall not be infringed.

This is another incorrectly punctuated construction that results in a run-on sentence: "I truly believe that everyone should take the time [to] sit down and read it and most importantly ask why?" You also neglected to use the infinitive form of the verb “sit.” Look up “infinitive” in Curme.

Omit unnecessary repetition: "ask why? Why? Why . . ." This sounds more like you do not know why the Second Amendment is there or what it means.

You wrote: Why did our founding fathers see such [an] importance in acknowledging the average person has a right "to bear arms that shall not be infringed upon"?

If you use quotation marks, make sure you get the wording exactly right. The word "upon" does not appear anywhere in the Second Amendment as ratified.

Also, you need to learn how to punctuate the end of a sentence with double quotation marks. The pair on the right goes outside of the question mark and not to the left of it.

You end with yet another fused construction: "Tyranny does exist hopefully we will never have to deal with that." (At least you're consistent!)

You could have punctuated it like this: "Tyranny does exist. I hope we will never have to deal with that."

However, you still would have been wrong on factual grounds even if you had corrected your solecisms.

American civilians have already used armed force to put tyrannical government back in check. Read about the "Battle of Athens" that took place in 1946.

This is awkward and unclear. It is also riddled with faulty pronoun reference: "Civil unrest, natural disaster, disease outbreak, terrorism and crime in general all could create a situation where a person may need to defend themselves and protect their loved ones from harm."

You could have rewritten it thus: "Civil unrest, natural disaster, disease outbreak, terrorism, and crime could create, individually or in combination, a situation in which a person might need to defend himself and protect his loved ones."

"Protect from harm" is redundant.

What else do we protect each other from?

Again, I strongly recommend this paperback: English Grammar Simplified, by George Curme.

That is all.
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I enjoyed reading your letter .

What type of response have you gotten ?

Years past I wrote and called my democratic reps with comments like yours and they paid my comments no regard .A particular call was to California's Willie Brown who was a senate leader . The staff member hummed and hawed and I knew they wanted ME without firearms .


After that call I changed party's and am now working to push the GOP further in regard to gun rights. Later a buddy told me about Rush Limbaugh who I disliked because I never listened to him.

I now am listening and reading only Pro gun venues . Why would I give credibility to an entity that considers me an enemy?

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I wrote a letter today for the first time ever about any subject to a bunch of politicians. Including Boxser, Fienstien,Brown, Villaragosa, Waters and a few more.

heres a copy let me know what you think. Keep in mind brothers and sisters we must rally support on both sides of the aisle to keep our right from being infringed.

Governor Brown

Thank you for taking the time to read my letter.
I am not a member of the NRA; I support gay-rights, I agree with universal background checks with no national registry, and identify myself as a democrat supportive of President Obama. I am strongly opposed to any new gun laws being added to the books in the wake of the Newtown Massacre. A law should not be based on emotion but what is right and wrong. If a law was based on emotion whichever group displays the largest emotion would win. Abortion may be a differnt story (as we are seeing in other states) if emotion was greater than support of an individuals right to choose. Please do not take any action or move forward on any new Gun control legislation that infringe on our rights.
The 2nd amendment has deeper meaning than hunting and home protection and that should be genuinely acknowledged. I agree that military weapons to do not belong on the streets of Los Angeles however the people should be able to arm themselves at a level equal to their local law enforcement agency. We rely on local law enforcement to "protect and serve” as required. Should they fail or be hindered in ability to fulfill their duty an individual should be able to protect their lives and the lives of others as well as personal property.

I was 11 years old when the city of Los Angeles erupted in riots after the verdicts of the police charged in the Rodney King beating were given. I remember the skyline filled with smoke trails from fires. The rampant crime and violence was everywhere. I remembered the police left us, they ran, they were overwhelmed, they fled, they re-grouped, they abandoned us....whatever you want to call it. They left the people to fend for ourselves. Over the next 6 days with police grossly overwhelmed and with the National Guard called in the riots claimed 58 lives. Loss was in the hundreds of millions.

It is important as I stated the 2 Amendment is rooted in our most sacred of documents. I truly believe that everyone should take the time sit down and read it and most importantly ask why? Why? Why did our founding fathers see such an importance in acknowledging the average person has a right "to bear arms that shall not be infringed upon"? Tyranny does exist hopefully we will never have to deal with that. Civil unrest, natural disaster, disease outbreak, terrorism and crime in general all could create a situation where a person may need to defend themselves and protect their loved ones from harm.
(Text above edited by me.)

Obama supporters are not necessarily well-educated--in a formal sense--or even well-informed about current affairs.

Just because someone supports "gay-rights" does not mean he engages in critical thinking about critical issues.

Check out the rights these Obama supporters are willing to surrender in order to "support Obama."

People Signing Away Rights to 'Support Obama'? Yep.
Media critic Mark Dice told Brian Kilmeade this morning that he started the fake petitions as a social experiment.
From Fox and Friends// Apr 17 2013 // 10:06am
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/04/17...endment-rights

The willingness of Obama supporters to abandon their rights in allegiance to his "causes" simply verifies what most of us "anti-Obama" pro-Second Amendment supporters have long suspected.

Obama supporters are willing to sign away their fundamental rights for him--our rights!
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It seems like one of these types of posts shows up once a week, with the writer seeking to identify themselves as "I'm into guns but I'm not like the rest of you"

I don't like these posts, and here is why.

I am not a nutjob old white republican hillbilly with missing teeth who drives a 1978 f-150.

I am not a doomsday prepper who has built a bunker to survive the zombie apocalypse.

I am not super conservative, i am not super religious, and i dont burn down abortion clinics and shoot gays for fun as the media has led you to believe.

Don't tell me that I am a stereotype, it is disrespectful, and almost all of the people on here are not a stereotype.

The only reason you bring up the points in your letter is because it makes you feel superior to us hillbillies.

I like guns, it is my hobby, it is an American tradition, and it does not infer anything about my other beliefs, education, or political leanings.

As to your political choice, California democrats have repeatedly stomped all over the 2nd amendment, and if you stand with them, I have no respect for you.
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It seems like one of these types of posts shows up once a week, with the writer seeking to identify themselves as "I'm into guns but I'm not like the rest of you"

I don't like these posts, and here is why.

I am not a nutjob old white republican hillbilly with missing teeth who drives a 1978 f-150.

I am not a doomsday prepper who has built a bunker to survive the zombie apocalypse.

I am not super conservative, i am not super religious, and i dont burn down abortion clinics and shoot gays for fun as the media has led you to believe.

Don't tell me that I am a stereotype, it is disrespectful, and almost all of the people on here are not a stereotype.

The only reason you bring up the points in your letter is because it makes you feel superior to us hillbillies.

I like guns, it is my hobby, it is an American tradition, and it does not infer anything about my other beliefs, education, or political leanings.

As to your political choice, California democrats have repeatedly stomped all over the 2nd amendment, and if you stand with them, I have no respect for you.


I'll ask the OP to at a minimum... JOIN THE NRA!

If they truly value liberty and understand that it is guarded by the 2nd amendment one must join now! They ARE making a difference and membership numbers count!
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Democratic Senators. Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Max Baucus of Montana voted against it.
Yes because they are in red states and want to keep their job.
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So far Villaraigosa (for you Tarn Helm) is the only one who has responded. Generic letter thanking me for my views.

Sorry If my letter, title, or responses offendended anyone as that was not my goal.

I'm new to calguns and would like to continure to be a part of it and hopefully sway others to see my views and why I support the 2A.
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Democratic Senators. Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Max Baucus of Montana voted against it.
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