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Old 04-17-2013, 11:14 AM
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I think a tube fed would be considered a fixed magazine wouldnt it?

Either way this is just plain STUPID. The only ray of light I suppose (if there is one) is that I dont think it will hold up in court.
Tube fed semi-auto that can accept 18 rounds of .22 SHORT?

Assault weapon!
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i registered my ar in 99 but I will not register my ar22 in 14
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Tube fed semi-auto that can accept 18 rounds of .22 SHORT?

Assault weapon!

Well time to get some lever action .22 rifles or bolt actions.
Not semi auto = not an AW. Right?
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That is a stupid bill. I hope it gets kicked out. I love my AR-22 (although, I have a BB installed on it as it is on a complete lower and can change uppers to a 5.56).
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As alluded to above, if it can hold more than 10 rounds of even .22 Short, Assault Weapon. Yeah, my father in laws Henry lever action is an evil, baby killing assault weapon. The squirrels in his front pasture must be rejoicing, knowing that the evil Henry is going down.
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Sending every last nickel to the NRA to fight this.
Sad I cannot pass my Dad's .22 down to my grand kids.

I want someone to sue these politicians for not upholding the constitution.
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As alluded to above, if it can hold more than 10 rounds of even .22 Short, Assault Weapon. Yeah, my father in laws Henry lever action is an evil, baby killing assault weapon. The squirrels in his front pasture must be rejoicing, knowing that the evil Henry is going down.
Your father in law's Henry lever action isn't a semi-auto so it won't be classified as an assault weapon under this oppressive bill.
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Your father in law's Henry lever action isn't a semi-auto so it won't be classified as an assault weapon under this oppressive bill.
But it would still have to be registered, as it has more than a 10 round mag.
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If this becomes law-- by the time courts even look at it you will probably be
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Looks like i'll have a bunch of 9 round mags now.

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Depends when you bought it. Might "only" have to register it.

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Existing law regulates the sale, carrying, and control of firearms, including assault weapons, and requires assault weapons to be registered with the Department of Justice. Violation of these provisions is a crime. Existing law defines a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and other specified features and a semiautomatic weapon that has a fixed magazine with a capacity to accept 10 or more rounds as an assault weapon.

This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, rimfire or centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept 10 rounds or fewer as an assault weapon. The bill would require a person who, between January 1, 2001, and prior to January 1, 2014, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, to register the firearm by July 1, 2014. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

This bill would require, on and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record to be submitted, as specified, to the Department of Justice for every firearm an individual owns, with prescribed exceptions, including firearms purchased from a licensed firearms dealer and documented by a Dealers Record of Sale transaction and assault weapons registered with the department. The bill would authorize the department to charge a fee of up to $19 per transaction for the submission of the Firearm Ownership Record.

The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason
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Looks like i'll have a bunch of 9 round mags now.
sounds like a plan
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What part of "This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, rimfire or centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept 10 rounds or fewer as an assault weapon." do you not understand?

If your rifle uses detachable magazines it will be considered an assault rifle. It does not matter if it is a 10-round, 5-round, or single shot magazine. The fact that it uses a magazine is what will make it an assault rifle.

If your rifle uses a non-detachable magazine (and tubes are a non-detachable magazine) and the non-detachable magazine holds more than 10 rounds it will be considered an assault rifle.

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When did our state turn in to Iraq? This is crazy and will not stop criminals, but it will turn law abiding citizens in to criminals.
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another bill that if it becomes law i will ignore as a illegal law
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I'm pissed off just like everyone else...in the interest of salvaging any rifle investments...is this the time we SELL SELL SELL?

A lot of s**t has happened in the past three months - with all the crap that just passed - is anything possible at this point? Could 'Australia collide with the US mainland; maybe even in our life time?
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I ain't registering jack.
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I ain't registering jack.
Because you don't have any semi automatic rifles.

I only have lever action and bolt action rifles. Soon I will have a a Biathlon rifle.
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My rifles are not illegal, just undocumented.
You really think so? Did you not fill out a DROS form when you bought them?
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Sending every last nickel to the NRA to fight this.
Sad I cannot pass my Dad's .22 down to my grand kids.

I want someone to sue these politicians for not upholding the constitution.
They should be charged with treason against the constitution and summarily executed!

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When did our state turn in to Iraq? This is crazy and will not stop criminals, but it will turn law abiding citizens in to criminals.
Actually, as I understand it, every Iraqi household is allowed one full auto firearm for self defense. We eventually won't be allowed anything and if someone approaches and asks for our personal possessions, we'll have to turn it over or be guilty of some Dumbocrat's law and become felons.
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My rifles are not illegal, just undocumented.
LOL!

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Oh, I see what I did there. My bad, your fault.

Either way, I aint registering jack, jack. I also am not changing to a gay feartureless. I will drive straight to AZ and leave it at the river house. I can also take the stupid BB off if I did that.

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What part of "This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, rimfire or centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept 10 rounds or fewer as an assault weapon." do you not understand?

If your rifle uses detachable magazines it will be considered an assault rifle. It does not matter if it is a 10-round, 5-round, or single shot magazine. The fact that it uses a magazine is what will make it an assault rifle.

If your rifle uses a non-detachable magazine (and tubes are a non-detachable magazine) and the non-detachable magazine holds more than 10 rounds it will be considered an assault rifle.

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SO HOW DO WE STOP THIS MADNESS?????
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Won't surprise me if it passes, but I don't think it will hold up in court...at least I hope we're not there yet. Either way, I think its time to ramp up my CA evacuation plan. Sad to say, but I really think we've hit the point of no return.
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Because you don't have any semi automatic rifles.

I only have lever action and bolt action rifles. Soon I will have a a Biathlon rifle.

No, because I'm not playing the game any more. I'm not going to reclassify or have any boating accidents. I simply refuse to cooperate.
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The reason I say it will pass is that the only opposition is from the Republican side of the State Senate and House of Representatives. The Democrats are in control of both houses and all the Bills are sponsored by Democrats. Have heard no opposition by the Democrats on any of these bills. Do the math. Give me a name of one California Democrat that opposes any of the gun control bills.
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No, because I'm not playing the game any more. I'm not going to reclassify or have any boating accidents. I simply refuse to cooperate.
So you have fire arms for self defense only? You're giving up on going to blm land or shooting ranges?
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So you have fire arms for self defense only? You're giving up on going to blm land or shooting ranges?
I'm not cooperating. The only rights you have are the ones you exercise. Californians always give in and that's why they always lose.
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Because you don't have any semi automatic rifles.

I only have lever action and bolt action rifles. Soon I will have a a Biathlon rifle.
First part of the bill requires registration of all long guns with a detachable magazine. Further classifies semi autos as assault weapons

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27566. (a) On and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record shall be submitted by prepaid mail or delivered in person to the Department of Justice for every firearm an individual owns or possesses.
(b) The following firearms are exempt from subdivision (a):

(1) Handguns purchased from a licensed firearms dealer and documented by a Dealers Record of Sale (DROS) transaction on and after January 1, 1991.
(2) Rifles without detachable magazines and shotguns purchased prior to January 1, 2014.
(3) Assault weapons registered with the department pursuant to Section 30900.
(4) Firearms for which a Firearm Ownership Record has been previously filed by the current owner.
(c) The department may charge a fee in an amount sufficient to reimburse the department for the reasonable costs of maintaining the Firearm Ownership Record program, but in no case more than nineteen dollars ($19) per transaction to process the Firearm Ownership Record. After the department establishes the fee amount, the department may adjust the fee amount annually as necessary to cover the reasonable costs of administering the program. The fees shall be deposited into the Dealers Record of Sale Special Account.

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What is everyone doing about it?

Everyone a member of the NRA and CRPA?

Everyone donating money to them?

Everyone trying to recruit new members to both?
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You really think so? Did you not fill out a DROS form when you bought them?
Supposedly DROS forms (data) are expunged after 6 months so if the state is following procedure the DROS info older than 6 months does not exist. How much would I bet on that? Not one nickel.
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This is being passed around on rimfirecentral and other rimfire sites correct? I mean this is a big deal and we can get a lot of weight behind it even in California...
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Everyone a member of the NRA and CRPA?

Everyone donating money to them?

Everyone trying to recruit new members to both?
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I used to be proud to be a born and raised California, but lately, mostly do to the *****y state reps we have, I have been embarrassed. When will our state get its dignity back?
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Actually, as I understand it, every Iraqi household is allowed one full auto firearm for self defense. We eventually won't be allowed anything and if someone approaches and asks for our personal possessions, we'll have to turn it over or be guilty of some Dumbocrat's law and become felons.
Wow, so Iraqi's have more gun freedom than we do? That's crazy. Anyway, my point is we need to hold these people accountable to their actions when they violate their oath to the constitution, either that or it's time to leave my state and go to one that still believes in our constitutional right to keep and bare arms, but that's something I really don't want to do...
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Supposedly DROS forms (data) are expunged after 6 months so if the state is following procedure the DROS info older than 6 months does not exist. How much would I bet on that? Not one nickel.
Believe they retain a paper copy for more like 20 years.
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You can bet your butt they have scanned copies archived forever.

Somehow they can't ban semi auto pistols, so semi auto rifles in all calibers is the best they can do?
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I thought that rifle forms are only stored at the gun shop you purchased them at. Wouldn't they have to review every gun shops records? I also thought the records on
Y show you bought a rifle not what kind.
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