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Old 04-14-2013, 1:11 PM
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I am thinking of getting it to replace my 22/45. Is it a good idea?

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Keep your 22/45 until you are sure that your GSG 1911 works properly. Those guns are fun but really finicky.
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Picked up my gsg 1911 22 Friday from my local gun shop. Clean & lube the gun & will be taken it to the range Tuesday. Looks like it built as well as my S&W MP 22. Looking forward to shooting it!!
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Keep your 22/45 until you are sure that your GSG 1911 works properly. Those guns are fun but really finicky.
Thanks for the advice JR. My 22/45 is boringly reliable, but I hated the flat grip.

I went to my LGS today to pick up the Kimber and held a GSG 1911-22. I fell in love with it. But I just don't know much about the gun.


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Picked up my gsg 1911 22 Friday from my local gun shop. Clean & lube the gun & will be taken it to the range Tuesday. Looks like it built as well as my S&W MP 22. Looking forward to shooting it!!
I held it and felt like it was well built.


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It is well built. Interchangeability with some accessories. I don't doubt it will run great. In my experience with semi 22s it's just about finding the right ammo they like. Some are picky some aren't . Mine cycles cheap bulk ammo to cci mini mags no prob.

Oh yea but the magazines are not cheap.
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I am sure the majority of owners love their GSG 1911-22.

Personal research, I do not trust to buy it (yet)...still a few (year 2012 threads) google hits on slide crack.
Some say when it kaboomed, they got some in the cheeks.
I am not saying not to buy it, but being well informed is good.

Here great thing from actual owners though.
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Thanks for the advice JR. My 22/45 is boringly reliable, but I hated the flat grip.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search...%2F45+grip+mod

as you can tell..Im the keep the 22/45 crowd.

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It is well built. Interchangeability with some accessories. I don't doubt it will run great. In my experience with semi 22s it's just about finding the right ammo they like. Some are picky some aren't . Mine cycles cheap bulk ammo to cci mini mags no prob.

Oh yea but the magazines are not cheap.
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I am sure the majority of owners love their GSG 1911-22.

Personal research, I do not trust to buy it (yet)...still a few (year 2012 threads) google hits on slide crack.
Some say when it kaboomed, they got some in the cheeks.
I am not saying not to buy it, but being well informed is good.

Here great thing from actual owners though.
I have heard of it also. Hope that the probability is remote. Thanks


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I bought one in January. It has the upgraded guide rod and rubber grips. Tried Winchester, Federal, CCI Blazer and AR Tactical. Shot all of them fine.
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I haven't even shot my 1911-22 yet but went ahead & ordered the CW accessories guide rod & spring. Not sure how much it will help but the longer guy rod does make since.
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You want to make sure you feed it high velocity ammo to allow the gun to cycle properly. When it's working fine it's one fun gun. It shares a lot of parts with a standard 1911 so you will definitely have fun customizing it. I plan on swapping out the slide stop, thumb safety, grip safety, MSH, sights, grips and of course the trigger.

At the end I'll probably spend more on getting premium parts than the gun
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I'd keep the 22/45 and then get the GSG-1911. The reason for that is if the GSG breaks, you'll still have a .22 to shoot.

I hated the sights. I couldn't get the same POA/POI from the GSG as I was getting from my 1911s. I replaced the rear sight with an adjustable - took a fair amount of fitting work and some sight modifications so it would not ruin the slide. Without that work, the gun was useless for me.

I have replaced the guide rod/recoil spring with the CW as a just in case type of thing.

My gun is finicky on ammo. CCI Minimag is its preferred diet, will run with Federal Automatch and bulk stuff is problematic.

When I am shooting my 1911s, I will take the GSG to the range as a warm up gun. Otherwise, I take a Ruger Mark III for warmup. The 22/45 will be more accurate and reliable than the GSG, but it doesn't have quite the same feel as a 1911/GSG. I believe that the only reason to have the GSG is if you REALLY NEED that 1911 feel. I'll run mine until it breaks then consider going to a cheap frame (RIA ?) and a Marvel upper for a dedicated .22 in a 1911 format.
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I bought mine used... very used, for little money $200. I bought a 1911- 9mm in a package with the GSG. The front sight screw is stripped, easy fix. Other than that the gun has been reliable and reasonably accurate. I initially tried it from a rest with about 15+ different brands and ammo velocities. It seems to like the hi-vel ammo the best but there is so little difference it's hard to tell. As far as I can tell it mimics the 1911 accurately in all aspects except weight. A good feature is interchangeability of grips with the 1911.

I might have sold it since I'd satisfied my curiosity, and I prefer my High Standards and S&W 41, but my daughter who shoots a 1911-45 likes the light weight and uses it for practice.

Drop in parts mods are available that are supposed to make it more accurate and simplify take down. Also for those who can legal buy them... mods to allow 14 rounds in the mag.


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A good friend of my attended a class with his GSG 1911 and he was able to transferred the results directly onto this .45 ACP 1911s. It is a good training tool. I plan on having the same gunsmith who did a trigger job on my 1911-45 do a trigger job on my GSG so the two would have a more similar feel.

The GSG is not a bulls eye target gun like your 22/45. They are two different animals. I would recommend that you keep both.
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I bought my GSG 1911 back in January; I ended up with one of the newer revisions with a straight guide spring, metal guide rod, etc.

It runs really well, even with 1080 fps 40 gr lead round nose. I think the "GSG 1911 needs high velocity ammo" thing is a myth, to be honest.

I sat in front of the TV one night and worked the slide back and forth ~500 times and then cleaned it all out, that helped a lot with working it in. Shooting it works too, but I didn't want to go through the ammo with bulk ammo so expensive....

The mating surfaces of the rails are painted, so as that paint wears off it turns the oil into oil with grit into it (liquid sandpaper). If you pay really close attention on the cleaning of the rails over the first 500-1000 rounds and shoot/work it in, it gets more reliable. The rails like a lot of oil, the .22LR doesn't have a lot of energy.

I shot a friends Sig Mosquito for a good part of a day and had a lot more failures than I have had with the GSG1911.

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Great advice! Thank you so much!

Problem is after I posted this thread, I have listed a for sale ad on my 22/45 and it is now SPF.

I am going to hold the purchasing of 1911-22 pistol and just shoot my 1911 9mm. The ammos are equally expensive anyway.


Edit: Well, if I can find a used GSG for cheap, I will jump on it

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Is there a difference in the stock guide rod verse the CW guide rod when it come's to what kind of ammo to use?
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Had a friend bring the Sig variant to a Ruger match a couple weeks ago and I got to borrow it for a match. As I handed it back to him (after cleaning the stage) I told him he'd probably sold one for them...He HAD done some work on the trigger and all, but it was really nice to shoot, and I'm on the lookout for one now.
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Just got back from the range and gun shot perfect. I had to adjust the front sight a little but after that it was dead on. I shot 50 rds of cci's then I thought for kicks I would try some Federal & Winchester bulk ammo I brought. I thought for sure something would go wrong but even the bulk ran smooth. Couldn't be any happier with the gun.
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OK. After fondling it at the LGS, I couldn't resist.

Just put a GSG 1911 in jail...
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OK. After fondling it at the LGS, I couldn't resist.

Just put a GSG 1911 in jail...
Great work!!! I have one and LOVE IT!! Will shoot any .22lr ammo I feed it and stays happy!!! Good decision!
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ATI/GSG 1911.22 on sale (04-19 to 04-25) at Turner's Outdoorsman.
Price = $369.98







IMO...
Also on sale and the better buy is the Ruger 22/45 (5.5" bull barrel).
Price = $299.99
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OK. After fondling it at the LGS, I couldn't resist.

Just put a GSG 1911 in jail...
You should really enjoy it. We've had ours since last Fall, and the gun has been nothing but fun. It loves CCI Mini-Mags (solid bullet a little better than hollow points), but has run 98+% on the std. velocity ammo we've also fed it.

Check out the upgrades for it at CW Accessories: It is good stuff.
http://www.cwaccessories.com/Products.html

Also watch your support hand thumb against the slide. If you apply too much pressure you can slow the slide to the point that it will FTF or not go fully into battery. Easy fix by just letting off some pressure. No kick, so not much of a grip necessary anyway.
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Great work!!! I have one and LOVE IT!! Will shoot any .22lr ammo I feed it and stays happy!!! Good decision!
Thanks. I am sure I will be happy.




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ATI/GSG 1911.22 on sale (04-19 to 04-25) at Turner's Outdoorsman.
Price = $369.98

IMO...
Also on sale and the better buy is the Ruger 22/45 (5.5" bull barrel).
Price = $299.99
I got it for $359 at Riflegear . But I just sold the 22/45.






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You should really enjoy it. We've had ours since last Fall, and the gun has been nothing but fun. It loves CCI Mini-Mags (solid bullet a little better than hollow points), but has run 98+% on the std. velocity ammo we've also fed it.

Check out the upgrades for it at CW Accessories: It is good stuff.
http://www.cwaccessories.com/Products.html

Also watch your support hand thumb against the slide. If you apply too much pressure you can slow the slide to the point that it will FTF or not go fully into battery. Easy fix by just letting off some pressure. No kick, so not much of a grip necessary anyway.
Thanks for the advice on applying pressure on the slide and I will check it out the link.
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I am thinking of getting it to replace my 22/45. Is it a good idea?

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I love mine.. goodluck on extra magazine thou.
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As is with the availability of 22LR ammo, GSG magazine availability can be a bit scarce and "market-adjusted" in price. But...if you search, ask, hunt, and are persistent you will eventually find some for sale. I went near and far to acquire my mags before I even had the gun in my possession, before the market adjusted....and even before the prices radically "adjusted" on the high side. It's a fun gun...even more fun when you have a bunch of mags loaded. Ammo sure gets depleted quicker, though
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thats what i did .. search and ask for 2 weeks.. i got one new 30$ from our fellow calguner and I called Eddie's gun store up north he got 3 34.99 each . )

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thats what i did .. search and ask for 2 weeks.. i got one new 30$ from our fellow calguner and I called Eddie's gun store up north he got 3 34.99 each . )
Yeah...I don't know what it costs ATI to import the mags and imho I think msrp for this quality of mags at the LGSs could've been $30 tops, but most LGSs I asked were selling them at $35 or more...if/when they had it in stock. I've seen the mags on ebay for $65+ and more!!! In the end I paid an average of $38-ish for the mags I hunted down. I learned a long time ago that mag-fed semi-autos are nothing without their mags, so bought as much as I could find/afford with the help of fellow CG'ers and asking around locally. I was willing to pay slightly beyond my guesstimated msrp to play, I guess. Don't give up...I hope the supply will eventually catch up to demand and the prices become more palatable....cuz I could use more Now if I only had more than enough ammo to feed the gun's voracious appetite at the range.
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I got it for $359 at Riflegear .
That's a pretty good price!

I've been searching for the GSG and/or SIG clone the past few weeks and it seems most of the San Francisco bay area LGSs that have one of these guns in stock all want MSRP + premium. ATI/GSG = 429.99 or SIG/GSG = 459.99

Wish we had a Turners or Riflegear up here - it would definitely add the needed competition to these local LGSs to consider better pricing.

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Mine gets out of jail tonight at 6:08 pm. going to run it through a couple hundred rounds at the indoor range to see how it performs. i'll let you guys know how it runs straight out the box. I'll probably oil it up a bit first but that's all
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jfarol, Your going to find out how good this pistol is!!!!
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That's a pretty good price!

I've been searching for the GSG and/or SIG clone the past few weeks and it seems most of the San Francisco bay area LGSs that have one of these guns in stock all want MSRP + premium. ATI/GSG = 429.99 or SIG/GSG = 459.99

Wish we had a Turners or Riflegear up here - it would definitely add the needed competition to these local LGSs to consider better pricing.
If it males you feel better, the ATI GSG is about $300 in the free state. We are all screwed.


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Mine gets out of jail tonight at 6:08 pm. going to run it through a couple hundred rounds at the indoor range to see how it performs. i'll let you guys know how it runs straight out the box. I'll probably oil it up a bit first but that's all
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LOL. I hear ya. The 22/45 is a tack driver. But it was in the safe most of the time when I had it. I originally bought it for my wife.

I didn't shoot .22 much so I wanted to get something pretty and fun. My GSG 1911 will undergo a major makeover I am sure .


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Maybe if you are in NorCal. In SoCal where you can do $426 OTD it is just easier to talk into a LGS and buy one. At $300 plus shipping, tax and transfer fee you end up paying for a bit more.


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LOL. I hear ya. The 22/45 is a tack driver. But it was in the safe most of the time when I had it. I originally bought it for my wife.

I didn't shoot .22 much so I wanted to get something pretty and fun. My GSG 1911 will undergo a major makeover I am sure .


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The average Calgunner is afraid to scratch his gun; so I don't see the point to these torture tests.
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Old 04-30-2013, 8:48 AM
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Got this guy last night. Did a quick field strip and oiled it up just a tad. I have to say- Right out of the box it performed much better than i expected! I only put 100 rounds through it with only 1 stove pipe and 2-3 failures to feed (I think this was more a magazine issue since i noticed if the rounds do not sit in the mag a certain way it will not feed into the chamber properly). Im very happy with it. Especially after hearing horror stories of it failing after every round. Over the weekend i'll put a couple hundred through it and see where its at.


also got some good 2" grouping with it at about 10 yards indoor.

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