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Old 04-12-2013, 7:01 PM
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Went to Cerritos Ammo Bros on Friday 4-12 , to pick-up my second Sig 556Swat pistol ,following a 30 day DROS period. To my surprise I had to RE-DROS this pistol again because I exceded the Kalifornia 30 day limit; which I was not aware of. Now I will have to wait an additional 10-days again before taking possesion. My point is that some of the staff were concerned with B.S.ing around with everyone and not clearly taking care of customer business. Upon arriving home with the first 556 pistol ,I noticed that the front hooded sight was broken clean off the rail ,due to mishandling of the weapon and that the box had no visible signs of shipping damage? The second pistol was pristine in the sealed box upon first inspection (nearly 2-months ago )but, when the salesman opened the box today and I examined it closely and noticed it had a million fingerprints plastered all over the upper /lower receiver ??? Fortunately I like nice things, fast cars and brand new guns, is that too much to ask??? The staff should have informed me of the 30 day DROS limit and made an effort to contact me via voice mail or e-mail but, did not. By the way the first 2-DROS'S were $25.00 each and the RE-DROS was $ 40.00 F***me...
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would it be possible to lock the pistol box with addition personal lock , so they cant open it ?

I do most transactions through ammo too and I think im going to lock em now .
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That's one thing Aegis has going for it- in all the PPTs I've done through there, they never finger f$%@#%ed any of my guns.

All of them came out of the box or bag the same way they went in.

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The Sig 556 pistols come in a cardboard box lined with styrofoam but, if I do anymore transactions with Ammo Bros I will bring one of my Pelican cases ,lock-it & bring the factory box home. Thanks for the great idea G-38 and like saki302 stated that all the other gunshops never slobbered on my other gun purchases...
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I thought they did tell everyone about the 30 day limit at the same time they explain the cancellation policy etc. Its a state rule, not a company policy.

Sucks about the broken sight, but I don't think you can blame them for not picking up your gun on time.
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I don't think you can blame them for not picking up your gun on time.
this, did you forget about it? Why wait an extra 20 days after you can pick it up??
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To the OP, sorry to hear about the damaged sight.

BUT, water is wet, fire burns, etc...

It behooves you to study up on Ca. gun laws if your ignorant of something as basic as the 30 day DROS limit. Might save you future expense and heartache.
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It behooves you to study up on Ca. gun laws if your ignorant of something as basic as the 30 day DROS limit. Might save you future expense and heartache.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense....a little something I learned in Intro to Criminal Justice
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Hey Colt562 , just totally got busy and about an 1 1/2 hour drive to pick-up. Commifornia DMV has a similar rule for Smog Checks ; good for only 90 days .
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but, when the salesman opened the box today and I examined it closely and noticed it had a million fingerprints plastered all over the upper /lower receiver ??? Fortunately I like nice things, fast cars and brand new guns, is that too much to ask???
If you didn't know they play with your toys when it's in jail.

btw still your fault for not reading up laws. It's not their job to tell you what's going on. live and learn.
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Ammo Bros need to play with their own toys, especially since I paid for them up front.
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would it be possible to lock the pistol box with addition personal lock , so they cant open it ?

I do most transactions through ammo too and I think im going to lock em now .
No, because if DOJ or BATF come in to audit the inventory (BATF) or the pending DROS firearms (DOJ) they will physically inspect the firearms they are looking for.
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Then the DOJ , BATF & Ammo Bros should wear cotton gloves while handling the inventory and show respect to the gun community/customers. DOJ & BATF are government employees,which the taxpayers pay for and work for us.The pick-a-number system proves that they just want to push the customers out as fast as possible. On a good note Ammo Bros. has the cool factor going for displays and supply but, drop the attitude...

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Ammo Bros need to play with their own toys, especially since I paid for them up front.
Hundreds, upon hundreds of firearms moving through their store weekly. They have has so many Sig 556 Swat pistols go through that store in the past 3 years that yours is now nothing special. It's quite pedestrian and ho-hum at this point, so it is highly unlikely they would be driven by curiosity to play with yours alone.

They have neither the time or need to "play" with your firearm other than to handle it when doing the 4473/DROS to you and when you pick it up. Trust me on that.

The above is an accusation emptily lobbed at so many FFLs, all without any proof other than "it has fingerprints on it" - it's laughable. This, when it sounds like you didn't inspect the guns upon your purchase in the first place; it is highly likely the problems you cited, the fingerprints, and more, were already there and present on these guns.

In that you then blame THEM for not advising you of the need to pick up the firearms within 30-Days of your DROS date or the DROS must be done again loses you all credibility on the above anyway. This has been the case for more than a decade, and their likelihood of informing you of the matter was most certainly said - but you didn't listen or pay attention, just as you didn't pay much attention to the firearm upon your purchase, just like you didn't pay attention to a law that's been around for more than a decade.

You may not like how I am putting it above; you may think I'm being a jerk. But I think you are being irresponsible and not very honest with the guy that you look at in the mirror, by blaming others and lobbing accusations about them fiddling with your firearms.

Why do I think this? Because more than 2 years ago, I bought a SIG 556 Swat Pistol at Ammo Bros Cerritos, among many other firearms since that time, and none of these issues have ever arisen.

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Hey Gleam , If you would have carefully read my original post about Ammo Bros , you would have noted that both of these pistols were personally inspected by myself prior to DROSing the first. One was already opened , with the front sight lying in the box and the second was definitely unmolested and "print free". I also specifically asked them to please seal both boxes with tape, while I completed the paperwork. It's funny you should "emptily lobb" your opinion towards other CalGunners who share the same complaint. Next time you go to purchase a brand new, high end Range Rover , Ferrari or Lamborghini and the lot boy takes it for a wild ride and parties in your ride prior to delivery ;let me know how you feel then... ps: Those were the last two available in both Ontario & Cerritos Ammo Bros.
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This is a problem. I collect blue steel revolvers and try to deal with only a couple of shops that respect my property. I also bring my own Bore-Store sleeve for storage and take all the none FFL items such as box, papers and cleaning kits with me.

I wipe down the pistol and place it in the bore-store after the handling for the transaction so the FFL knows I am serious.
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OK, I'd be pissed BUT, shouldn't it be your responsibility to keep count on how many transactions you do per year/occurnace??? How the **** is Ammo Bros supposed to keep track of that, I don' think any LGS is required (But I could be wrong).

As for the damage to the weapon, yeah, **** that. I'd raise hell. That's total BS. Hopefully they do you right and replace it or???
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I think since they were the last 2 in the store they were showing that pistol to the customers. Maybe many people handled it and possibly dry fired it just hope not.That it totally wrong since you bought it it's yours .Sorry to hear that just try to avoid the store in the future.
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Hundreds, upon hundreds of firearms moving through their store weekly. They have has so many Sig 556 Swat pistols go through that store in the past 3 years that yours is now nothing special. It's quite pedestrian and ho-hum at this point, so it is highly unlikely they would be driven by curiosity to play with yours alone.

They have neither the time or need to "play" with your firearm other than to handle it when doing the 4473/DROS to you and when you pick it up. Trust me on that.

The above is an accusation emptily lobbed at so many FFLs, all without any proof other than "it has fingerprints on it" - it's laughable. This, when it sounds like you didn't inspect the guns upon your purchase in the first place; it is highly likely the problems you cited, the fingerprints, and more, were already there and present on these guns.

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I have bought and done a number of ppt's at that ammo brothers. Just because the OP didn't know the deadline doesn't mean they got the right to f with his guns. The last transaction I did at ammo bro's I never went back again. I went to go pick up my gun but before leaving i wanted to look around, so the guy said I'll hold the gun up here for you. After looking around I went up to the counter and holy f;;kng shejt the gun is out and all three guys playing with it. Never step foot in there again.
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The pick-a-number system proves that they just want to push the customers out as fast as possible.
yeah... it couldn't possibly be that they want to help their customers in the order in which they came in
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BTW, the OP is selling his 1st 556 pistol for a healthy profit...
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LOL @ $2300. Discount Gun Mart in San Diego (now THAT is the place to go when you want to deal with uneducated moron staff) had one in the case for $1499 when I was there on Thursday.

I too have sat at Ammo Bros, staring at their employees dikk around while customers stood waiting. I also watched them pass around a custom Glock I was buying as a PPT. So I'm not a huge fan of the place. But the 30+ day DROS...that's solely on the OP.

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The having to re-dros isn't relevant to the title of the thread.

The take a number system sounds fantastic. It sure beats a store where some dudes sit around shootin the breeze with the owner, while a parade of ignored potential customers use the front door as a turnstile.

The site damage is a potential issue. Firearms should always be looked over before leaving the store, and any issues politely addressed.
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Upon arriving home with the first 556 pistol ,I noticed that the front hooded sight was broken clean off the rail ,due to mishandling of the weapon and that the box had no visible signs of shipping damage?
Most Calgunners would have noticed that in the store while taking possession of the firearm. Broken right off the rail? Wow! That's pretty noticeable.
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Every firearm that i purchased up, I was given a soonest pick up date, and a final date. This includes both Ammo Bros stores
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Beemaze , What kind of healthy profit do you make from the Colt's ,Walthers' and Smith's off CalGuns?
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Hey Gleam , If you would have carefully read my original post about Ammo Bros , you would have noted that both of these pistols were personally inspected by myself prior to DROSing the first. One was already opened , with the front sight lying in the box and the second was definitely unmolested and "print free". I also specifically asked them to please seal both boxes with tape, while I completed the paperwork. It's funny you should "emptily lobb" your opinion towards other CalGunners who share the same complaint. Next time you go to purchase a brand new, high end Range Rover , Ferrari or Lamborghini and the lot boy takes it for a wild ride and parties in your ride prior to delivery ;let me know how you feel then... ps: Those were the last two available in both Ontario & Cerritos Ammo Bros.
Oh, I read your email alright; in quite detail. No opinions, just sticking to facts as you have presented them. I'll give you a nod as to the legitimacy of your complaints about the condition of the guns; sound like a problem. But your complaint about them not telling you to pick-up your firearm within the 30-Day DROS window is suspect.

You don't seem to be detail-oriented or even attentive, just by how you have described numerous variables in your anecdote, such as letting a firearm you purchased sit at a dealer for more than a month. Which is why I suggest you did NOT inspect the firearms appropriately - how does one miss this before leaving the store?

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I also suspect that Ammo Bros DID tell you of the 30-day window for the CA DROS as in my many purchases there and at other dealers, they have never failed to advise of the same, and often write it in the printed copy of the DROS file itself (that they give you). I just looked at one of mine from a year ago at the Cerritos Ammo Bros, and in the upper right corner, it has written in pen, the first pick-up date (at 10-Days) then is written "must be picked up by 02/20/2012".

But I do agree with you on one point; whether you caught it or not, whether you have an inability to catch details or not, or even bad listening skills, the busted sight-hood is indeed an issue and should be fixed or replaced by Ammo Bros. I would be mad if they didn't.

Have you taken this up with them? Or the million fingerprints? Your posts don't seem to indicate that you followed up on any resolutions directly.
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The Samson rail had no visible signs of damage at all ,so I thought that the 556 pistol had been sent that way from the factory,for the purpose of shipping? I brought it home and went to install the hooded front sight back on the rail and noticed that the bottom piece of the sight was missing/damaged.Virtually impossible to repair. Since I am being scrutinized by an obvious employee (Gleem) of Ammo Bros , Sales clerk ID # 45, the first gun was purchased on 2-02-13 (hand-written on top of DROS ,pickup 02/12/13 after 1:40pm); "no must be picked up by date" . As for Sales clerk ID # 64 ,the second gun purchased on 2-12-13 (hand-written on top of DROS. pickup 3-17-13 @12:55pm ) and again no,"must be picked up by date". Terms of a 60 -day Layaway and 50% down payment on the second firearm is all I received from salesman ID #45 period...Hopefully Gleem, this will explain the details you are looking for and help improve your perfect listening skills . As for the sight and fingerprint issues,neither the manager or salesman seemed too concerned ,nor spend time to address these issues...

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Is this your first gun purchase ever? Never had a shop never mention verbally about 30 day.

Also common sense to inspect the gun while they are finishing the paper work when they bring it. I'm not a ammo bros fan. But they always have mentioned 30 day max befor re-dros. Even wrote it on my receipt when I purchased a 930spx from them 2 weeks ago.

And who the F doesnt pick up thier gun for over a month lol

As far as you not liking the "take a number". That's actually good to have. Whenever I go to a busy gun shop I wait forever only to have some chump who just walked in get helped befor me after I've sat there for 15 mins and he just walked in. Rifle gear also has a take a number system. Keeps the line in order. Has nothing to do with kicking you out quick. Makes perfect sense.
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Hey Ink , WTF did you even read the post completely and are related to Gleem F@##$me man. This is not my first gun purchase either; just from Ammo Bros . I average 6-8 weapons or more per year (22 years) and mainly from on-line gun stores /PPT's "AS NEW" . And Glem said: I had an inability to catch details or not, or even bad listening skills ???
For someone who buys 6-8 weapons a year for the past 22 years seems quite ignorant on a common sense 30 day wait or re-dros law haha. All these purchases and not 1 shop has ever told you this?? Seems like you are un-happy and just want to rant but are making yourself to look foolish. Sorry man, no need to get so angry at people.

And no, not related to anyone from ammo bros or whoever glem is. All I was saying is this your first gun purchase since not knowing that law or inspecting your stuff would happen to a new buyer. Just being honest
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And the other dinosaur says: I have an inability to catch details or not, or even bad listening skills ??? WTF both of you Senior members need to take your Geritol, because you know what they say about opinions ...LOL
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Do Ammo Brothers a favor; don't go back. For someone who's a large volume gun purchaser like yourself, you sure don't have any credibility with your rant against Ammo Brothers.

If you're that unhappy just stay the F away.

For me, I will continue to shop at Ammo Brothers. Like 1000s of other Cal Gunners who shop at Ammo Brothers.
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Old 04-16-2013, 2:40 PM
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Do Ammo Brothers a favor; don't go back. For someone who's a large volume gun purchaser like yourself, you sure don't have any credibility with your rant against Ammo Brothers.

If you're that unhappy just stay the F away.

For me, I will continue to shop at Ammo Brothers. Like 1000s of other Cal Gunners who shop at Ammo Brothers.
I second this motion.

And no, my perennially inaccurate and devoid Calguns acquaintance, no, I don't work there. But I've surely had a higher frequency in purchases from them than yourself, with numerous positive endings in kind reported to me from others in their dealings with Ammo Bros Cerrritos, in the corporeal world and here on Calguns, and none, not once, have had such issues as yourself.

I know of no "other Calgunners who share the same complaint" other than unverifiable and ludicrous ramblings that may be sparsely speckled across Calguns from similarly empty rants that have an equal amount of gapes and holes, where the clear presence of the old adage that "2 sides to every story" is befitting.

Equally, Ammo Brothers and many who work there are also Calgunners; while that does not include me, it's not an us against them picture as you might try to paint.

It doesn't hold water.

And neither does your story. I am going with the likelihood you have poor listening skills, pay no attention to details and not thorough, and then you are shocked by the inevitable consequences so much so, that you deflect blame onto others.

I wish you the best, and good luck with your suffering; I hope it all works out for you, and you can successfully exorcise the demons that haunt you.
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If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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Will the fingerprints come out?

"SHOUT" THEM OUT!

For a million fingerprints, I recommend the larger 60oz. bottle. It's TRIPLE-ACTING!!

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What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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Old 04-16-2013, 5:00 PM
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Hundreds, upon hundreds of firearms moving through their store weekly. They have has so many Sig 556 Swat pistols go through that store in the past 3 years that yours is now nothing special. It's quite pedestrian and ho-hum at this point, so it is highly unlikely they would be driven by curiosity to play with yours alone.

They have neither the time or need to "play" with your firearm other than to handle it when doing the 4473/DROS to you and when you pick it up. Trust me on that.

The above is an accusation emptily lobbed at so many FFLs, all without any proof other than "it has fingerprints on it" - it's laughable. This, when it sounds like you didn't inspect the guns upon your purchase in the first place; it is highly likely the problems you cited, the fingerprints, and more, were already there and present on these guns.

In that you then blame THEM for not advising you of the need to pick up the firearms within 30-Days of your DROS date or the DROS must be done again loses you all credibility on the above anyway. This has been the case for more than a decade, and their likelihood of informing you of the matter was most certainly said - but you didn't listen or pay attention, just as you didn't pay much attention to the firearm upon your purchase, just like you didn't pay attention to a law that's been around for more than a decade.

You may not like how I am putting it above; you may think I'm being a jerk. But I think you are being irresponsible and not very honest with the guy that you look at in the mirror, by blaming others and lobbing accusations about them fiddling with your firearms.

Why do I think this? Because more than 2 years ago, I bought a SIG 556 Swat Pistol at Ammo Bros Cerritos, among many other firearms since that time, and none of these issues have ever arisen.

It's you. It's just you.

i've heard about them fondling bought guns before...

it seems to be a consistent theme with them. when will they stop?
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