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Old 11-04-2007, 8:53 PM
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Default Banned from Mosin Nagant Forum for asking Sporterizing Question.

I posted a 91/30 sporterizing question at that forum this morning. Check it later this afternoon and it was missing. I posted again and this time they deleted my question and banned me. I been a member there for almost 2 years but haven't posted much recently. Do the moderators there have beef with sporterizing questions? Its my rifle and I can do whatever I want with it...right? I wrote them, but they haven't replied. I can't think of anything else they would delete my post and ban me. My post was purely for information and not offensive in any way.
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Most collectors shudder at the thought of sporterizing any firearm. Yes the Mosin is a collectable and athough inexpensive has claimed the hearts of many.
I personally dislike the idea of altering a military firearm from it's original configuration but it is your to do with as you see fit.
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What is the forum is it.
Is it Paralx Bills ? because yes do frown on Sportizing
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Personally I like sporterizing, it makes the rifle your own

If this one, yes they are Purist and you spoke Taboo

http://www.mosinnagant.net/

Check out:
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http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/ind...199c5154309629
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every time you buba a rifle a kitten dies.. or something to that efect
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I think that is just rude. They probably did you a favor. Who would want to be a member on a forum like that? Not me.
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Its my rifle and I can do whatever I want with it...right?

Its their forum and they can direct the content of the forum any way they please, can't they?

Its also real bad manners to complain about another forum. You could consider it talking behind someone's back. Its a one-sided discussion.

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every time you buba a rifle a kitten dies..

This is near the top of the list of funniest things I've read in a long time.

From this day forward I'm going to adopt it/copy it/plagerize it.

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Yes the Mosin is a collectable and athough inexpensive....

You're out of touch with the Mosin-Nagant market. The m/44 Soviet are near the bottom of the heap. The refurb 91/30 for $70 to $100 are at the bottom of the heap. But have you priced Finnish Mosin-Nagants? You can easily pay $250 to 400 for an upper tier m/39. And don't even try and price m/28, m/28-30 or m/91 B-barrel Finns. $$$$$ The only time they were inexpensive is the first years they were imported circa 1988-90.

People who chop rifle like these...... <bad thoughts to them>.

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I like the idea of sporterizing a rifle. True I wouldn't do it to a rare G-43 but to the million and millions of Nagants, I would have no problem updating it...Especially if I have one of those beat to hell ones. You know the kind...the ones that look like they have been dragged by a pickup truck through a swamp and sold by Century Arms as "U Fix Em" specials
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It's real hard to get thrown off these sites. Whats the other side of this story?

Is there even another side?

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I guess they would lynch this guy then

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=74468

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Forums such as Parallax Bill's are there for the preservation of these old relics of history, so even the idea of sanding, staining, or polturathaning a mil-surp stock or drilling and tapping a receiver is going to offend their members. No different to going to a Concourse de Elegance classic car show in a '52 Studebaker with 20" rims and candy paintwork with flames painted down the sides.

Some people feel that you have been unentrusted with a piece of history, and it is your responsibility to take utmost care of it, whereas many people take it for granted that we live in a disposable society, where we can do what we want with the things we buy and then throw it away when we're done. If everybody did this, there would be no original antiques left in the world.

If people have to sporterise milsurps, at least try to find a barrelled action or buy one of Century Arms cracked stock grade rifles for their project.
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If everybody did this, there would be no original antiques left in the world.

If people have to sporterise milsurps, at least try to find a barrelled action or buy one of Century Arms cracked stock grade rifles for their project.
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I did sporterize a $79 m44. It is reversible. I had a nice m44 stock (now cut down and glossy) off of a rebuilt m38 that I sold off and another unissued 1946 postwar m44 that I swapped stocks on. The finishing touch was to buy an extra bayo lug off of ebay and have it turned down to remove the lug so I could retain the iron sights.

it looks nice, but the fact that I could scrounge all the stuff to make it for about $130 is the real reason I did it. Perhaps a quality 1950's mauser sporter would be better than making your own since way back then people had good reason to make it since new rifles were big money or not available.
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I just sold my Mosin Sniper copy.

1939 Tula


And my Mauser 98



Now to Drill and tap this baby, turn the bolt down and cut the stock down



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Its their forum and they can direct the content of the forum any way they please, can't they?

Its also real bad manners to complain about another forum. You could consider it talking behind someone's back. Its a one-sided discussion.

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He can't complain on the other site, he was banned!

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It was very rude of them to ban you without warning you and such.

Those type of forums with bullies like that usually bully off all the new members and they end up killing their own forum so take that for the purist.

Very Very RUDE! I say download firefox then use the proxy plugin that hides your IP address (or just keep unplugging your router everynite until you get a new IP address) then resign up and make some posts about how nasty they are.

Do so daily for the rest of the year.

This will make you feel better.
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I like the idea of sporterizing a rifle. True I wouldn't do it to a rare G-43 but to the million and millions of Nagants, I would have no problem updating it...Especially if I have one of those beat to hell ones. You know the kind...the ones that look like they have been dragged by a pickup truck through a swamp and sold by Century Arms as "U Fix Em" specials
I agree.
There are some of the rare ones, and those are special, but at the end of the day YOU own the rifle. You can do what you want to it. Having some people tell you that you can't do what you want with your property is more or less the same as the gun control crowd.
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"Would you sporterize a $25 G43?"

YES 439

NO 55

Poll date 1965.


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Cornholio I'm still unclear, whose board was it that banned you? Tuco's, BobW's?


[QUOTE=hylander;821957]
If this one, yes they are Purist and you spoke Taboo
http://www.mosinnagant.net/
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Really? That's a surprise, have I missed something? Tuco has stated several times that he doesn't ban people for posting sporterizing topics. In the last 9 or so years I've never known Tuco's MosinNagant.net aka gunboards.com to ban anyone for a post about sporterizing a Mosin Nagant, if anything they just try to "talk you down" .

However other boards might ban you, like BobW's board http://russian-mosin-nagant.com/
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I have 1 sporterized 8MM-06 I did from a 55 dollar K98, and 4 other sporters done by others. A 30-06 and a 35 Whelen Ackley improved from 03A3's done in the 60's. A 7.5 French Mas 49 someone added a safety, recoil pad and some paint The last is a cool 6.5 Swedish chambering of a Arisaka rifle with a polished boly and a really nice reblue job. It is as accurate as any of my hunting rifles. I dont brag about these on other forums because of purists. I paid less than 1000 dollars for all 4. Suits me fine.
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[QUOTE=pogo;825096]Cornholio I'm still unclear, whose board was it that banned you? Tuco's, BobW's?


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http://www.mosinnagant.net/
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Really? That's a surprise, have I missed something? Tuco has stated several times that he doesn't ban people for posting sporterizing topics. In the last 9 or so years I've never known Tuco's MosinNagant.net aka gunboards.com to ban anyone for a post about sporterizing a Mosin Nagant, if anything they just try to "talk you down" .

However other boards might ban you, like BobW's board http://russian-mosin-nagant.com/

Sorry didn't mean they would Ban, just they are Purist.
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It didn't look like this did it?



They should have at least tried to talk you out of it first.
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I think thats awesome. Anything to discourage sporterizing is good. No offense to you personally, Cornholio, I think their reaction was a bit.... strong... but you must understand that there are a lot of us who REALLY hate finding great old rifles sporterized. I've had to pass up on some great finds because people have sporterized them back when they were plentiful, with the attitude: "Who cares, they're cheap and every where."
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Look at that picture on fal 762x51 post, and ask yourself. WHY????? Modifying a rifle for a purist like me is not cool, Having said that I recognized that ones personal tastes or other reasons such as ammo shortage, or simply cheaper ammo changes to the original have to be done, if the "rifle/handgun" remains the same such as a FAL in .223, or my favorite M98 to .308. But what is on that picture supports the arguments of the purist. Cornholio, its your gun you do what you want with it, for me the gun in the pic is from every aspect useless. 1.35 cents worth Im trying to save money to buy ammo and buy a bullpup stock for my Stg 44 ( just kidding )
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Cornholio I'm still unclear, whose board was it that banned you? Tuco's, BobW's?





Sorry didn't mean they would Ban, just they are Purist.
http://russian-mosin-nagant.com/

I have many Mosin Nagants. I wouldn't mind sporterizing one. I decided to sell it and the conversion kits, not because I was discouraged, but I want to fund a completely different project.

I still really like this look, but I am about to buy a starter archery set. I'm going to post the 91/30 and the set for sale in the Private firearms arena.


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That is pretty lame to ban you. I am not a big fan of sporterizing rifles and have passed on many 1903/1917s on Gunbroker because they were sporterized (anyone else hate subject lines where they don't mention sporterizing?). But still it is just a Mosin and it is also YOUR rifle. Just because I won't sporterize mine doesn't mean I'm going to tell you what to do (that is a job of know-it-all socialists).

Plus if you could sporterize another 20 million Mosins then maybe mine will be worth some serious money
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What's lame is failing to respect the guidelines of the forum you're visiting and using. Its not public domain, its privately owned and administered. It belongs to someone who's giving you access as long as you adhere to his guidelines.
That monstrosity in this thread with the hippie kid.. that thing is so cool.

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The policy of this board regarding sporterizing is this:

1. First and foremost, this board's owner does not condone sporterizing historically significant firearms.

2. Sporterizers are encouraged to visit these boards but must be aware that the topic of sporterizing will not be encouraged.

3. I will be happy to discuss ways to rehabilitate partially sporterized firearms to bring them back to original configuration.

4. Since it would appear according to some of our members that sporterizers are not a large number of people, they can either accept this board's philosophy or move on. I don't feel any obligation to extend any concessions to a small majority of shooters and collectors.

5. I will be more than happy to discuss alternatives to sporterizing.

6. All visitors wil be treated with respect as long as they treat the policies of this board with respect. Any anomymous postings regarding sporterizing will not be answered or retained unless the poster identifies themself as a board member or they are having login problems.

7. Sporterizers are welcomed to discuss their questions about firearms preservation and our members are welcomed to provide information and education regarding firearms preservation.

These determinations are based on a majority voice of board membership as demonstrated in the poll asking about sporterizing. If you are a current member and a sporterizer, I hope you can respect my position and still feel welcomed here. I think through education and understanding we continue to have great and growing board.

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Kinda feel bad for Cornholio, banned from one, chastised on this one. Nothing makes you feel so good like when they tell you " take your toys home we dont want to play with you anymore"

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I don't feel chastised. I guess you need to think like them or you can't post threads. I have decided to sell the 91/30 and pursue a different route.
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Dont do that, Im sure its not the only rifle you have but is a nice rifle, sport or stock, Really cool people here with every gun interest posible. Have fun
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Dont do that, Im sure its not the only rifle you have but is a nice rifle, sport or stock, Really cool people here with every gun interest posible. Have fun
Its okay Brigada. I got plenty of Mosin Nagants including another 91/30 with tiger stripes which shoots like a champ. I actually bought a couple more 91/30's expecting to do something with them. I already found good homes for them.
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While it is their forum to ban whom they wish I think they handled it poorly.

A better way for them to handle the situation would have been to post in the thread why they feel sporterizing milsurp rifles is a bad idea. And, this should have been done with a minimum amount of ranting and raving. Generally in life one gets further with people by calmly explaining why you feel a certain way. Simply banning someone isn't a very effective means of spreading your message.

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My thoughts (read my opinion) on spoterizing is as follows...

I have no issue whatsoever with modifications that are not permanent. In fact, in some cases doing things like replacing a stock might assist in the preservation of history. If you have a nice Finn with a beautiful stock or a Garand in an immaculate cartouched stock you might be doing history a favor by setting that stock aside and putting on another if you intend to go shooting.

I personally am against doing permanent mods. I feel that each rifle is a finite peice of history. They won't ever make another. And, I think that if one reads and researches the history, era, times behind each rifle there's a good chance they'll come to appreciate it as is. I know this case is much easier to make with a Garand or $500 Finn than with a $70 Big 5 M44. But, that M44 is no less a piece of history.

But ultimately the bottom line is that this is America and we believe in private property. If someone decides they want to drill n tap that gorgeous Finn then it's there's to do with as they will.
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If someone wants to disassemble a gorgeous Finn, burn the stock and stir the ashes with what is left, who cares?
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I got a kick out of seeing this M27 GB auction today, talk about rifles of the white death! As long as I didn't do it, I can laugh about it, and if it was cheap enough I'd buy it, but he's asking twice what I'd want to pay!

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We're talking about sub $100 rifles here for god's sake. If you want to turn it into a range toy, I don't think that should be frowned upon. The ammo is cheap and they are fun to shoot.

They sell the things at big 5 for dirt cheap, how precious can they be?? Maybe I have no appreciation for history, but that is ridiculous to instantly ban someone for talking about altering the holy grail that is a Mosin Nagant rifle.
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When I wanted to bubba a 91/30 I just bought some barreled actions.

That way I don't feel bad about it.
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Well, from their viewpoint, back after WWII, many rifles came into the country dirt cheap. Many of them were sporterized and items were discarded. After all, they were cheap and there were tons of them. Now original condition rifles are rare and they go for thousands of dollars - such as G43s - and the discarded parts go for absurd amounts at auction houses.

The Mosin fans see our current time period as a similar era of cheapness that in 50 years will be viewed as a "Golden Age" of Mosin acquisition. Allowing themselves to be a forum for the "bubba-ation" of their favorite rifles would be sacrilegious.

But I think you knew that before you posted what got you banned.

Might as well go to a site for a different religion than yours and state why your religion is better.
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