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Old 11-01-2007, 12:08 AM
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Default What's a decent priced beginer scope?

I wanted to know what is a decently priced scope for a beginner. I get my first rifle next week. I will most likely be starting at 50-100 yards with it and work my way farther. Thanks!
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What kind of rifle? How far do you eventually want to shoot with it? What kind of shooting? Whats your price range?
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Old 11-01-2007, 7:37 AM
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I'm pretty sure you're looking for Mueller Optics.



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What kind of rifle? How far do you eventually want to shoot with it? What kind of shooting? Whats your price range?
If you want a good, solid answer, answer these question.
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It is a Saiga 7.62x39. The outdoor range I go to currently has max 100yds. It will be mostly range shooting. Less than a couple hundred possibly.

I was thinking of getting the following then adding a scope:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS006-44765-2712.html

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Should I get this instead? Can anyone confirm this will fit a Saiga?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP120-45496-1404.html

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The second one you are thinging of is interesting. There is supposed to be some that were made by IOR. I hear they are pretty good. Not sure if it will fit a saiga.
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You also have to define what you consider a decent price.

For a beginner going out to 100 yards, it's hard to go wrong with a good quality 3-9x40 variable. This gives you good flexibility and lets you figure out what works best for you. It's not a bad idea to get some sort of bullet drop reticle, like a mildot, so you can start learning the basics of ranging.

There are a number of good brands available below $300 that will let you get started, but you do need to go with good quality construction, as a cheap scope can be very frustrating as you try to dial it in.

Leupold VXII, Burris Fullfield II, Nikon Monarch, and Weaver V series all have decent scopes under $300. Once you get under $200, it's a lot tighter, with the Burris and Weavers left.

Lots of people like fixed power scopes, where you get better quality for a given price range, but for a beginner, I think the extra flexibility of a variable is worth it.
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A really good scope a lot of people overlook is the Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x40 Mildot. It has side focus and very clear glass to be a sub $300 scope.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...&highlight=ior

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Thanks everyone. The $300 range is good, I will start with the brands/models you listed.
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This scope is great for the money, and it's less than $250.

Mil-dots, good glass, side focus...

It's a great place to start.

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I'm liking the Nikon. Any way I can see what it will look like looking through it? Is it just a colored dot?
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It has a mil-dot reticle. Google it for an idea of what it is.
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Image will be nice and clear (Nikons have great glass) but this will be in the way:

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It is a Saiga 7.62x39. The outdoor range I go to currently has max 100w. It will be mostly range shooting. Less than a couple hundred possibly.
A Saiga will be a ***** to scope because the com-bloc style scopes and mounts are designed around the standard AK length of pull. Unless you do a conversion and put the trigger back where it should be, I donít think youíll be happy with any scope or mounting setup. If you do a conversion, just get a low powered (~4x) com-bloc style scope with integrated side mount from Kalinka optics or tantal and call it a day. Nothing more is needed for 7.62x39 AKs.

I personally think you should forget the scope, take that $300 and buy 1.5k of ammo. Youíll have much more fun shooting that up than you will trying to scope a standard saiga.
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You don't think this one will go well with the Nikon scope?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS006-44765-2712.html

viras has his setup this way:


This is my first rifle so any input will be greatly appreciated. I just want to be able to mount on without any modifications to the rifle.
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You don't think this one will go well with the Nikon scope?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS006-44765-2712.html

viras has his setup this way:

This is my first rifle so any input will be greatly appreciated. I just want to be able to mount on without any modifications to the rifle.

If you really want to scope a x39 saiga, here's what I'd do:

BP-02 low mount rail
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstmounts.html

Weaver 1-3x scope
http://www.opticsplanet.net/weaver-r...ng-849400.html

Some low mount rings.


You're not going to need more than 3x, and you can cantilever the scope back far enough to get the proper eye relief. You might also need a strap-on cheek rest to get a good cheek wield.

I still think your money is better spent on ammo.
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The Saiga irons are pretty annoying. AK irons really are terrible. Short sight radius, poor open sight... I can understand why he wants an optic.

Honestly, I think you might enjoy something like an Aimpoint or EOTech more.
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The Saiga irons are pretty annoying. AK irons really are terrible. Short sight radius, poor open sight... I can understand why he wants an optic.
Do you really even need sights of any sort on an AK?
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The Saiga irons are pretty annoying. AK irons really are terrible. Short sight radius, poor open sight... I can understand why he wants an optic.
Think of it this way: this is his first rifle, if he spends a thousand rounds getting good at using AK sights, when he moves on to other firearms heíll be very, very good a using better irons. Itís like running with a weight vest, once you take it off you suddenly run much faster than you would have without the vest training.
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I disagree.

It's more like getting really good at rubbin ones out before you meet a woman. Do you really think that's gonna help him have any clue about what to do?

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Think of it this way: this is his first rifle, if he spends a thousand rounds getting good at using AK sights, when he moves on to other firearms heíll be very, very good a using better irons. Itís like running with a weight vest, once you take it off you suddenly run much faster than you would have without the vest training.
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LOL! Maybe I should try the stock sights first...
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100 yds??!!! Use your iron sights. The U-notch rear-sight of the AK/SKS rifles just take awhile to get used to. But once you figure it out it becomes second nature. They are not that hard to shoot with. Or get a red dot if you really have to.

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