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Old 04-07-2013, 4:34 PM
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Unfortunately NONE of your suggestions are possible before or during the Hearings. However after the hearings, Sanchanim is attempting to organize a rally.
I watched the testimony on the gun control hearings in Connecticut and Colorado, as I imagine many of us did. Every pro-2nd Amendment speaker was lucid, calm, and stuck to the facts. And it was all for naught. The legislators in those states went through the pantomime of allowing grassroots testimony and then voted the way they originally intended to. Not one single vote was changed. NOT ONE. In many cases the legislators ridiculed and slandered the citizenry who offered their testimony. You'd have been raped anyway. You'd have been killed anyway. LOL.

This nationwide effort is being egged on and coordinated from the White House. Play ball, and you'll get plenty of reelection dough and accolades from Chocolate Nixon. Fail to toe the line for 'common sense gun legislation' and you will be destroyed and replaced by someone who will. Obama has been in Connecticut and Colorado already to congratulate his cronies on their fine work, and was in SF recently to spread more agitprop about how the Sandy Hook murders were carried out by a 'full-automatic weapon.' Don't mistake sheer 100% distilled malice for ignorance. He knows exactly what to do to set the narrative and win over a gun-illiterate public. It's pure Saul Alinsky.

I am not interested in fighting a brave doomed fight for my own satisfaction so I can be 'heard.' That is political masturbation. I *am* interested in the rally -- but not if it's going to be a polite little affair in some park where no one will see or hear. We need Airsoft guns, shooting lessons, chicken BBQ -- street theater and plenty of it. We need to call the local news. We need to hand out information to our fellow citizens. We need to call every SASS chapter and Civil War/fur trade reenactment group in the northern half of the state and invite them to show up in full regalia. The Tea Partiers too. That I'll help with.

How radical are you willing to be to win the culture wars? You guys are trying to stave off the next bill and our enemies are trying to CHANGE SOCIETY. And they're winning. Put down the Bill of Rights and start reading Steal This Book. You'll find out we have more in common with Abbie Hoffman in this day and age than the people he was fighting. They were the control freaks of their age, and it took two decades' worth of socio-political warfare to overthrow them. This rally has to be big and it can't be a flash in the pan. We're going to have to make a part-time hobby out of it.... and we may even have to bend the law from time to time. If the OWS idiots can get away with it, so can we.

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I applaud everyone's efforts. Unfortunately, it will not stop the proposed legislation from passing. Only a few of the proposed bills will not make it past the appropriations committee. But SB 47 will make it this time. SB 374 will pass as well. Both of these laws as written can be enforced by the DOJ (they do not mention confiscation) and they do not cost the state a penny. There is nothing written in these two bills that will doom them to failure in our legislative process. Anyone who doesn't register their semi-automatic firearms will be a felon on July 31st 2014.

California's liberal politicians are on a mission to ban every firearm they can and they will not fail here I'm afraid. Unfortunately, many California firearm owners already believe semi-automatic rifles are not needed for hunting or self-defense. In the court of public opinion, our liberal politicians are already the winners.

We should be focusing our efforts on fundraising and buying the best Constitutional Law firm that money can buy. We need to move this issue to the Supreme Court for a final decision on what firearms the government can regulate for self defense in our home. Then and only then will California respect the right to bear arms.

Diane Fienstein and her followers already believe that the Heller and McDonald decisions will not end the Assualt Weapons Ban already in place. The challenge is whether we can prove them wrong in court.
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Old 04-07-2013, 5:38 PM
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Phil Ossiferz Stone
Sir you make your case very well, and you are certainly more articulate that I.

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I have already directed you to the rally thread, both this hearing thread and the rally thread are a cooperative effort. I choose to stand with the people who refuse to go down silently, not across the street telling them they are wasting their time.
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Old 04-07-2013, 6:15 PM
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I can't make it to the hearings or the rally. But make no mistake, your efforts in Sacramento are necessary. The opposition needs a face to hate. I know you will do it with dignity.

When the time comes, I will speak up in a different manner. I will open my wallet when the ulimate court showdown occurs... and I will speak. I will start by joining the non-profit 2nd Amendment Foundation.

Thanks for your efforts and I hope more people like yourself show up.
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Old 04-07-2013, 9:26 PM
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I'm going to try and take a couple days off from the shop here in riverside to represent my brothers, our business and my baby boy. So he can one day still exercise his God given rights.
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Keep watching this sticky thread for latest info on Hearings.

Post in this thread you will attend, (this will secure your Calguns neck Lanyard to wear in hearings).
No signs or posters allowed inside Capitol building.


WATCH thread April 16, Committee Hearings and rally to get latest info on after hearings RALLY.
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Dang it I want to go. I'll try to take some vacation days and drive up from Riverside on Monday.
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OUTSTANDING!

I will meet you on the 15th, and we will hopefully meet a hoard on the 16th.
I'm pretty sure I can make the 15th. Not sure about 16th yet.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:47 PM
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I would love to come but I live in L.A. and might not have access to my own vehicle at that time (It's in the shop this week and there's a lot wrong with it). Are any calgunners interested in carpooling and splitting gas? I'm happy to organize something if it means I can get there at all, and if anyone's got a couch to crash on I'll be there for the duration.
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I'm in for the 16th.
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Old 04-09-2013, 9:26 PM
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25 + will know where they were! 7 days and counting list

The List so far of Calgunners representing all Californians for their gun and 2A rights, at the anti constitutional gun grabber hearings!
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Old 04-10-2013, 4:10 AM
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Old 04-10-2013, 7:38 PM
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Is anyone getting the Pink Pistols to think about coming up?

Is anyone talking to their local Tea Party chapters to get them to attend?

Their local SASS outfit?

If this is a Calguns.net-only event because that's all anyone thought to invite, and we're going to sort of stand around outside the Capitol and make the lawn our own private clubhouse for an hour or two, this is going to be a sorry affair. Will there be speeches? Punch & pie? Are people bringing leaflets to slather all over telephone poles coming and going, and to hand out to passers-by...?

A rally is not just showing up and standing around, for Christ's loving sake. What's the PLAN OF ACTION, folks?
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Old 04-10-2013, 7:50 PM
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I will show up, on the 16th at least, although Phil Ossiferz Stone makes his case well.

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If this is a Calguns.net-only event because that's all anyone thought to invite, and we're going to sort of stand around outside the Capitol and make the lawn our own private clubhouse for an hour or two, this is going to be a sorry affair...

A rally is not just showing up and standing around, for Christ's loving sake. What's the PLAN OF ACTION, folks?
I will first go to M&J Gun Trade and try to convince them to post flyers in the store, and to show up themselves.
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Old 04-10-2013, 8:09 PM
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I will first go to M&J Gun Trade and try to convince them to post flyers in the store, and to show up themselves.
Okay, good. Soliciting local businesses is great. I live in Redding and know of three gun shops I can hit up. I'll be printing out leaflets tomorrow and prolly distributing them day after.

Now someone please tell me what we are going to do ONCE WE GET THERE besides stand around and look glum. Do you people grok the activist thing or not?
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Old 04-10-2013, 8:53 PM
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[QUOTE=walterwhite;11015775]19! The room holds 30 to 50, LETS FILL THAT ROOM!
HECK LETS FILL THE HEARING ROOM AND THE HALL WAY!


at 9AM on the 15 they are hearing 711, the bill to ban lead ammo in CA
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Is anyone getting the Pink Pistols to think about coming up?

Is anyone talking to their local Tea Party chapters to get them to attend?

Their local SASS outfit?
Also CRPA, NRA Member Councils.

There must be other groups we can contact.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:57 PM
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All these Committee members have a District office, is it in your city?
Do you drive by it daily or weekly?
Do you know where it is?
Do you know who your Representative is?
Do you know who your Senator is?

If you cannot make it to the Capital can you get to the local office and voice your opinion as a Constituent?
The person may be on the Committee hearing at Sacramento but his/her office in your neighborhood is open and the Staff is taking opinions from Constituents.

On the Capital steps they see an organized group of people and do they wonder how many are from their District?
At the District office you are from their District, a direct line to the Representative. They count the No's and the Yes's locally also, not just in the Sacramento.

You who are staying home in your City may have the most power to make a difference in that Committee member.
Pop in there on the way home or to lunch, introduce yourself and tell them to tell him or her to Vote No.
Might take 10 minutes to save your self future grief from that little voice we all carry around inside us speaking of things we shoulda done when we had the chance.

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Looking forward to seeing you all there. Hopefully everyone shows plus 100 more!

can I wear a shirt with yee holding tanning lotion in one hand and a "escort" in another?!

Just kidding Ill dress nice. Dress shirt and tie!
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Looking forward to seeing you all there. Hopefully everyone shows plus 100 more!

can I wear a shirt with yee holding tanning lotion in one hand and a "escort" in another?!

Just kidding Ill dress nice. Dress shirt and tie!
I was thinking of making some Blaze Orange T-shirts with the previously mentioned
I Will Not Comply in large letters on back and the CGSSA logo on left chest.

Then reverse them on the Safety Green shirts.
CGSSA logo on back and I will Not Comply on front.

A sea of hurt your eyes orange and safety green

How would that look on a plasma or LCD tv screen?

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I was thinking of making some Blaze Orange T-shirts with the previously mentioned
I Will Not Comply in large letters on back and the CGSSA logo on left chest.
Senior tech pubs guy here: Make it painful to look at and guess what? People will avoid reading it. I'll settle for instant brand-name recognition Gadsen Flag yellow with the big snarling snattlerake, with your logos. I'll also buy a couple, should you wish to organize a group buy.
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I passed on this info to a friend closer to sac. I probably can't make it tuesday but he may go.
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I will make every effort to drag my sorry butt up to Sac by the appointed time. They can listen to us or not listen to us but I'll still be there to lend my voice.
I've got a CAS match this weekend so I'll see if any of the club members are interested in coming along.
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Alright, I pulled some strings together and I'll be coming up Monday night and staying all day Tuesday, maybe Wednesday to if possible. My ladyfriend is also coming with me so consider our numbers increased by two.
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Im new but interested, Both days look fine for me.
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Are there any prefer dress code?

Also how is the parking like?
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Well having the time to attend this is one perk of getting laid off. Are the details posted earlier in the thread? If not, please send them to me. I'm not sure what number we are up to, but add one more.

On a side note, if they do reclassify an Ar with a bullet button to an assault rifle with forced registration, does that mean we can take off the bullet button? And anyone with an 80% would be forced to get their's stamped? Would people be able to sell their AR out of state?

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I am going to be there regardless, but I want to know what the plan is when we get there? If this is shoddily thrown together by a single forum thread then that's going to show.

I was there on the 16th, and that rally was good because of the SPEAKERS we had. We need representatives who we can put up behind a mic and let them voice our opinions. If we are all just walking around like headless chickens on the capital steps then we will be completely, 100% ineffective.
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30 + These BRETHREN SAY THEY WILL STAND! 4 days and counting list

The List so far of Calgunners representing all Californians for their gun and 2A rights, at the anti constitutional gun grabber hearings!

Angry Lobster
calaveras
desertjosh
Dreaded Claymore
DrjonesUSA
foreppin916
gresh
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mag360
Militant Libertarian
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Is anyone getting the Pink Pistols to think about coming up?
YES THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED
Is anyone talking to their local Tea Party chapters to get them to attend?
YES THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED
Their local SASS outfit?
NOT SURE

If this is a Calguns.net-only event because that's all anyone thought to invite, and we're going to sort of stand around outside the Capitol and make the lawn our own private clubhouse for an hour or two, this is going to be a sorry affair. Will there be speeches? Punch & pie? Are people bringing leaflets to slather all over telephone poles coming and going, and to hand out to passers-by...?

SEE ANSWERS BELOW

A rally is not just showing up and standing around, for Christ's loving sake. What's the PLAN OF ACTION, folks?
SEE ANSWERS BELOW!
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I will first go to M&J Gun Trade and try to convince them to post flyers in the store, and to show up themselves.
OUTSTANDING! This is what we need initiative to get others involved, not waiting for someone else to do it for them.

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The room holds 30 to 50, LETS FILL THAT ROOM! HECK LETS FILL THE HEARING ROOM AND THE HALL WAY!
John L Burton Hearing Room #4203, holds approx 180

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at 9AM on the 15 they are hearing 711, the bill to ban lead ammo in CA
YES I will be there on Monday, however it is easier to get people to turn out for 12 bills vs 1 bill. That bill is equally important. I would be there even if NO ONE ELSE says they will be there, I will let them know at least one will stand in opposition.

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Also CRPA, NRA Member Councils.
There must be other groups we can contact.
I have not contacted the CRPA, however I am aware that GRAA has contacted them.

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can I wear a shirt with yee holding tanning lotion in one hand and a "escort" in another?! Just kidding Ill dress nice. Dress shirt and tie!
I am not aware of any dress code. Well, you have to be clothed at least.

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I passed on this info to a friend closer to sac. I probably can't make it tuesday but he may go.
YOU are represented by your buddy, That is fantastic, getting people there is what is important. YOU did that!

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I will make every effort to drag my sorry butt up to Sac by the appointed time. They can listen to us or not listen to us but I'll still be there to lend my voice. I've got a CAS match this weekend so I'll see if any of the club members are interested in coming along.
This is the RIGHT ATTITUDE, STAND and be recognized, that you oppose the attempt to trample our rights, further make sure others come too. No one is promising anything, no food, no speakers, no pat on the back, just other honest law abiding citizens standing shoulder to shoulder.

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Are there any prefer dress code?
Also how is the parking like?
Casual clothing is fine, I was there in a committee hearing in casual levis and shirt, tshoes, on monday.
Parking see the answer below.




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Well having the time to attend this is one perk of getting laid off. Are the details posted earlier in the thread? If not, please send them to me. I'm not sure what number we are up to, but add one more.

does that mean we can take off the bullet button? 43:-Brandon_cal
Awesome you are taking a stand , see below for more details and where to go to find those detail. I'm not an AR guy, someone else will have to answer.

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I am going to be there regardless, but I want to know what the plan is when we get there? If this is shoddily thrown together by a single forum thread then that's going to show.

I was there on the 16th, and that rally was good because of the SPEAKERS we had. We need representatives who we can put up behind a mic and let them voice our opinions. If we are all just walking around like headless chickens on the capital steps then we will be completely, 100% ineffective.
The plan... the only plan in this thread is about attending the hearings, that is what this is about, THE oppositions seeing we will NOT IGNORE their effort to shred the 2nd amendment. It's not a party, the rally was announced in the other thread. To the best of my knowledge they "GRAA" (we have talked several times), they could NOT get a permit, for the rally. Sanchanim planned and organized the January Cap steps rally (Incredible Job) , he has been involved in this about the same time I started this thread, we have both worked separately to get the word out.

This is a public legislative Public Safety hearing the process has been already discussed. There are 12 bills 2 speakers will speak from each side, for each bill. The speakers representing our side NRA lobbyist, CRPA advocate, Sam Paredes GOC, CAL-FFL advocate, Eldorado Sheriff D'Agostini, and I'm told that 8 other LEO will be presenting for our side too. At the end the committee opens for Public to stand and be recognized. Each of us will be allowed to state our name, where we are from, and if we are FOR or Oppose the bill, Thats it, we can say no more. The rules say if we had 400 people there they are suppose to allow every one to stand and be recognized.

The purpose of this thread was to announce what was happening on the 16th and try to get other cal gunners out from behind their keyboards, and stand together on 16th. I know that GRAA guys in the other thread are seriously disappointed they couldn't get the permit, they tried. This is a long battle, the Cap Steps Rally in Jan was great, it was also on a Saturday, while it was an encouragement to many Pro 2A/gun supporters, nothing else happened. I was there, Sanchanim single handed planned and prepared for that rally. Check that Jan Rally thread there was over 800 posts in that thread. So far in this Apr 16 thread there is only about 100. HUGE difference, there are many reasons for that.

People we are at the beginning of this fight, we need volunteers to work getting the word out, calling, emailing, twittering, talking to people, etc.
Go to www.carkba.org there is a 5 minute RKBA Grassroots handbook, read it. PLEASE use the contact form on that site so I know you check it out, we need to know that you are showing interest.

On the 16th look for a Calguns/CGSSA volunteer who will give you a neck lanyard, he will have a info contact card to quickly fill out, name, phone, email. For the people who fill out the cards, I will have a drawing prize as incentive to fill out the info cards. (50 rounds of centerfire ammo). I will be easy to spot, I will be wearing Black Golf Shirt that has Calguns Logo on front (also I need to loose some serious poundage).

NO ONE HELPED Sanchanim in January, no one is helping both of us right now, Calguns/CGSSA is providing logistical support (literature, lanyards) and lots of encouragement. The most help is from other organizers with Tea Party, Gun Ranges, and shooting clubs.

My daughter is a school teacher, just talking about Apr 16th two male teachers are missing school and going to make it to those hearings. She gave a flyer to a friends dad, and he is going to make it.

If every person on the above list told 20 people we would have easy double the number that will show up. Help get the word out, and they will come.

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For flyers to print out and give to friend or coworkers: www.carkba.org. The site was quickly thrown together to support this event but will be used for future grassroots event.

For parking carkba.org

The Capitol doors open at 8:30 am

When to get there: Many of us will be there at 8am and earlier. We will be at the front entrance. Besure to get you Calguns Neck Lanyard, it has a 3x5 placard that says NO! on one side an Calguns on other. NO SIGNS or POSTERS are allowed, that requires a permit.

All entrances have security scanners. Remember to take your knives and other weapons out of your pockets in your vehicle. I forgot on Monday Having to deal with that will slow everyone up.

Where to go in the Capitol Bldg?
Go to the elevators in the West wing on first floor (Main entrance is the East side), or take the stairs to the 4th floor. The John L Burton room is at the opposite end of the hall (east) it Tees go left.

No posters, signs, are allowed in the building, unless you have a permit. We do not have a permit.

GET YOUR NECK LANDYARD before you go in., your neck lanyard has a discrete placard that is acceptable. In the hearing room you can hold it up, It simply says NO!

Latest info, check this forum and www.carkba.org
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I'd love to go but I have now way to get there from SF.

Is there anything I can do to help?
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Got the word out at my Gun Club's monthly safety meeting. About 15 attended.

I FAILED at having flyers available at www.carkba.org at myself.
Flyer 1, Flyer 2, Flyer 3 (note flyer 3 doesn't display correctly in your browser pdf quick view, but it prints fine).

My plan was to run to Kinkos before the meeting, however my local Kinkos just changed from a 24 hr print center to shorter business hours. Bummer.

Anyway, made a quick presentation at end of meeting, met calaveras (already on list to go) plus two others said they would make it.

People download the flyers, be better than me, leave people with something.
GET THE WORD OUT!
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Angry Lobster contacted me, he is in L.A, he is chomping at the bit to get something serious done as grassroots effort.

The Clock is ticking. Get angry and get to work, PM me or go to www.carkba.org and use that contact form.

Thanks Ethan...
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I just printed out Flyers 1 & 2 and they came out fine.

Flyer 3 is a bit too color intensive for my black and white printer.
That's a lot of dots

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Angry Lobster contacted me, he is in L.A, he is chomping at the bit to get something serious done as grassroots effort.

The Clock is ticking fellow calgunners, do nothing and nothing happens to save our 2nd amendment rights Get angry and get to work, PM me or go to www.carkba.org and use that contact form.

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Angry_lobster and biscuit barrel: I live in Orange County and may be able to go if a carpool can be arranged so I can split gas and go up Monday night. Are either of you still looking for a carpool?
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Here is an article of interest and support, it's a survey conducted by PoliceOne.com.

PoliceOne.com released the findings from last month’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey, which drew more than 15,000 completed responses from verified law enforcement professionals. Covering a broad range of topics related to the gun control debate in our country, the survey found that the overall attitude of law enforcement is strongly anti-gun legislation and pro-gun rights, with the belief that an armed citizenry is effective in stopping crime.

EXCERPTS;
.....92 percent feel that banning semi-automatic firearms, or “assault weapons,” would have no effect or a negative effect on reducing violent crime.

.....91 percent support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or have not been deemed psychologically incapable.

......80 percent feel that legally-armed citizens would likely have reduced the number of casualties in recent mass shooting incidents
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So these are the personal opinions of the folks working the streets on a daily basis and seeing the firearms activity first hand.

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