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Old 04-03-2013, 10:21 AM
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Default APR 15,16 HEARINGS WE MUST SHOW UP!

April 16th STAND UP !
IF YOU WERE AT THE SACRAMENTO CAPITOL STEPS ON SATURDAY JAN. 19TH ?
THEN YOU NEED TO ATTEND THE ANTI 2A CAPITOL HEARINGS TUESDAY APRIL 16 2013, AND ALSO 4/15/13!


Below is a list of anti 2A bills that are up for hearing,

• one bill AB 760 on Monday 4/15/13. (1:30pm @ State Capitol Room 126)

•12 bills on Tuesday 4/16/13 at (9am Tuesday in the John L Burton Hearing Room #4203)
SB47, SB53, SB108, SB127, SB293, SB299, SB363, SB374, SB396, SB475, SB567, SB755 .


I know most have to work thus no time for such an effort, I'm semi-retired so I have time, but some can help we need to get an effort going.

Legislators may live somewhere else, but they spend a lot of time in Sacramento, they need to know they can't go home or isolate themselves at the Capitol and ignore those whose 2A rights they are attempting to steal or trample on.

We CAN NOT GO DOWN SILENTLY! THEY NEED TO KNOW WE WILL FIGHT THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!

NO MORE TIME FOR FORUM RANTS , MUSTER NOW AT THE CAPITOL ON EITHER DATE (ESPECIALLY 4/16/13). SHOW THAT YOU WILL NOT LAY DOWN WITHOUT PROTEST AS THEY ATTEMPT TO TRAMPLE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!



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• Assembly Bill 760 - (Dickinson) imposes a sales tax of .05 cents per ammunition component (complete cartridge, bullet or case).

• Senate Bill 47 - (Yee) expands the definition of “Assault Weapons” to BAN the future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon” registration, requires registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other “assault weapons” restrictions.
• Senate Bill 53 - (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.
• Senate Bill 108 - (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.
• Senate Bill 127 - (Gaines) Firearms: Would require Dept of State Hospitals and psychotherapists to provide reports on persons who would be prohibited from possession or sale of a firearm to Dept of Justice in electronic form within 24 hours.
• Senate Bill 293 - (DeSaulnier) bans the sale of conventional handguns, if the Department of Justice approves the sale of “Owner Authorized – Smart” handgun technology.
• Senate Bill 299 - (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.
• Senate Bill 363 - (Wright) Mirrors AB500 provision that all firearms in a household with a prohibited person must be secured in a locked container or locking device.
• Senate Bill 374 - (Steinberg) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the future sale of VIRTUALLY ALL semi-auto rifles (including rimfire cartridges) that accept a detachable magazine, requires NEW “assault weapon” registration, requires registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other “assault weapons” restrictions.
• Senate Bill 396 - (Hancock) bans the possession of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than 10 cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered" large capacity magazines.
• Senate Bill 475 - (Leno) Firearms sales at the Cow Palace. Would require prior approval of the San Mateo County board of supervisors & City & County of San Francisco in order to allow a event (gun show) that sells firearms or ammunition
• Senate Bill 567 - (Jackson) changes the technical definition of a shotgun, which would turn all handguns into short-barrel shotguns that are illegal to own.
• Senate Bill 755 - (Wolk) Firearms prohibited persons. Adds a list of misdemeanors that would trigger the 10 year ban on ownership of firearms or ammunition.
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Not unless someone sets up outside the building. The Committee is not interested in input from the public.
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Shoot, I've got work. If it was on the tail end of the week I'd go and it's too late to get the day off now.
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CGSSA Leader Can'thavenuthingood just promised that we will have neck lanyards, to identify ourselves as Calgunners, and a clip where we can clip "NO" on the list of Bills!

I will print placards to attach to lanyard, and have available for those that show up.
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I attended the Jan 19th Pro 2A Capitol rally, there was about 700-1000 passionate pro 2A gun owners there to represent their willingness to oppose any attempting to tramps our 2A rights.

If we could get half, 300-400 people and crowd that room so it is full and overflowing into the hall way, we can send a strong message of opposition.
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No need for your best bib and tucker but do dress pretty

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CGSSA Leader Can'thavenuthingood just promised that we will have neck lanyards, to identify ourselves as Calgunners, and a clip where we can clip "NO" on the list of Bills!

I will print placards to attach to lanyard, and have available for those that show up.
C3 Leader is proper title rather than CGSSA leader, that's the Presidents (Jacob) shingle.

Regarding the lanyards, I'll order some up and send them to you for your Sacramento legislative activities.

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Let go voice our opinion. We're stronger in numbers!!!
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Let go voice our opinion. We're stronger in numbers!!!
FANTASTIC! THERE WILL BE AT LEAST TWO OF US!

I will post a map with best access to each hearing room.

On Tuesday April 16, I will be there at 8AM with donuts (until they run out), for those that will make the effort to stand for those who can not make it.
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Not unless someone sets up outside the building. The Committee is not interested in input from the public.
For the most part committees in CA have adopted a 2 speakers per side for 2 minutes each approach with all others just stating state your name, hometown, and position. So you would be able to line up and state you oppose, which is not a bad show of force.
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Please sticky this at least till April 17th please. I am sure we get people just looking, this is something we want at the top of the 2A section.

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How long will it last or how long do we need to stay for?


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I just ordered 300 lanyards and badge holders.

Best thing for Identification of fellow Calgunners I think.

Stickers work but these are reusable and larger plus they work well with any attire.

Most all trade shows use them for ID.

walterwhite, send me your address and I'll ship them to you to hand out at the site. You are now the unofficial official legislative people gatherer gun committee guy
(need to work on that title)

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FANTASTIC! THERE WILL BE AT LEAST TWO OF US!

I will post a map with best access to each hearing room.

On Tuesday April 16, I will be there at 8AM with donuts (until they run out), for those that will make the effort to stand for those who can not make it.
Not sure about the donuts but ammo would surely draw a crowd.

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Sent 2700 feet per second.
How long it will all last I suspect is up to the Committees. Come out and stay as long as you can then tend to personal business.

This or these events need to be a regular thing with Calguns, be it CGN, CGF or CGSSA matters not, point is we all have the same goal.

Show up when you can, even later if need be to show the Committees another Citizen watching them.

Another thread here started earlier.

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Work schedule isn't out yet, but even if I do work I'll get it covered count me in!

GREAT NOW WE ARE THREE !


Let's see if we can get two ZEROs behind the 3, and flood the halls.
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CGSSA Leader Can'thavenuthingood just promised that we will have neck lanyards, to identify ourselves as Calgunners, and a clip where we can clip "NO" on the list of Bills!

I will print placards to attach to lanyard, and have available for those that show up.
Are these high-capacity clips?
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Sent 2700 feet per second.
The most important day is Tuesday the 16th.
There will probably be a morning session and and afternoon session.

The best time would be morning , it will have the most impact.
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Are these high-capacity clips?
No, singles only for now, mustn't spook the politicians.

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Walter, thank you for putting this together. I am stuck in the office at the moment and cant go myself but I love the enthusiasm and effort being put towards this issue.

Good luck!
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Lanyard will be black.
Badge Holder is clear.
Bulldog clips for attaching.


3/8" Flat Cotton Wholesale Lanyards With Badge Clip (36" Length)



Clear Vinyl Horizontal Top Loading ID Badge Holder with Notched Slot Punch (Max Insert 4 1/8" x 3 1/8")


So I'm thinking a cutout of the CGN or CGSSA in large letters on one side and you could put a huge 'NO AB**' on the other.
Or a picture of your favorite firearm/cartridge.

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Walter, thank you for putting this together. I am stuck in the office at the moment and cant go myself but I love the enthusiasm and effort being put towards this issue.

Good luck!
Hey Tim, been wondering where you been?

Stuck in a cube?

Call me when you get a chance.

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Walter, thank you for putting this together. I am stuck in the office at the moment and cant go myself but I love the enthusiasm and effort being put towards this issue.

Good luck!
NO PROBLEM, it is understand that Gun Owners and those of us who appreciate our Constitutional rights are the average working guy, we are busy. There is a reason they don't have these hearings on the weekend.

However those who can not attend and want to help, please PM me, there are tasks that can be done in preparation.

If anyone has graphic art skills, and willing to to help please PM me.
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WHO WILL BE NUMBER FOUR, and FIVE, SIX, ETC?

The List so far of Calgunners representing all Californians for their gun and 2A rights, at the anti constitutional gun grabber hearings!

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So what can we do at these hearings? I've never been to one but I am trying to schedule work to be able to be there.
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Not unless someone sets up outside the building. The Committee is not interested in input from the public.
neither are the legislators.

unable to attend due to military duties. but I have been slamming their email box via Firearmspolicy.org website.
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So what can we do at these hearings? I've never been to one but I am trying to schedule work to be able to be there.
This is kind of a first, so that isn't clear. Unless we get some overt legislator support for public input - and I believe that would require a vote of the committee, which, like all committees this session, is chaired and numerically dominated by Ds - there will be no time allocated to the public in the Committee consideration of the bills. Maybe a minute each for Ed Worley (NRA), Sam Paredes (GOC) and Tom Pederson (CRPA).

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So what can we do at these hearings? I've never been to one but I am trying to schedule work to be able to be there.
My previous employment, I represented our company/business which belonged to a local business association in an industry that is heavily regulated. As a group these local business people would attend these hearing if regulation was trying to pass that we did NOT support. At one point usually near the end there is a segment allotted to public comment. Usually one of our group would stand and make a brief statement that he/she was opposed to this legislation, and introduce the group, who would stand and be recognized as opposed. We each would stand, state our name the business we represented, say opposed to whatever the regulation, and sit back down.

The primary point is that people go on record as to how they stand regarding a particular bill that is trying to make it to the assy or senate for vote.

If no one attends then it appears that no one is in opposition. In other states right now who are fighting for the first time what we have been fighting for 20 years, they are doing exactly the same. In Calif. we think what is the point, the liberals control everything. So many remain silent, silence only encourages them to do more. WE CAN NOT BE SILENT, WE CANNOT ALLOW THEM TO TRAMPLE THE CONSTITUTION WITHOUT A PEEP FROM US.

We are at the beginning of a long fight, this is Lexington & Concord at beginning of the Revolutionary war. We are the minutemen showing up against the highly organized, outnumbering us enemy. Ultimately to win we have to change what happens in elections to come. These legislators fear no one or nothing because they think they will not lose their seats. We need to rally then keep moving to remove these officials in the elections to come. We don't have to remove them all just a a few to start. The 2nd amendment and our constitutional rights is very important to not just conservatives, large segments of moderates and even liberals, treasure their constitutional rights and understand that losing their 2A rights makes it easier for all our constitution rights to be trampled on by legislators.

So join the fight NOW, standup, there is no more time to simply rant on forums. Our fight is not just for rights today, but for children and grandchildren in the future. It is our duty to protect what so many others have protected with their lives.
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IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND AND CAN NOT, YOU CAN HELP!

The below link will allow you to write one letter per each of the bills that will be in hearings on 4/15 & 4/16. When you complete your letter, and hit send, a copy will go to each legislator. You will receive confirmation that your letter was received by each office of these legislators.

• bill AB 760 hearing Monday 4/15/13.
•12 bills hearing Tuesday 4/16/13, SB47, SB53, SB108, SB127, SB293, SB299, SB363, SB374, SB396, SB475, SB567, SB755 .

Please be professional, address your legislator correctly, avoid statements that over the top enflaming rhetoric. The bottom line, there has been many social studies conducted on gun control and the effect it has on violence and murder. NOT a single study concludes that more gun regulation will save a single life. That plus our 2A rights are being ignored is sufficient for any legislator to vote NO.

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I will be taking then day off to attend.
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So what can we do at these hearings? I've never been to one but I am trying to schedule work to be able to be there.
Awesome, Spylon wants to be NUMBER FOUR!

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Crap, I'll be in Denver. Give 'em hell guys!
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WE ARE FIVE!

The List so far of Calgunners representing all Californians for their gun and 2A rights, at the anti constitutional gun grabber hearings!

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Listening to the session yesterday they only allowed two witnesses and then it appeared that an unlimited number of supporting witnesses that stated their names and what group they represented. I was thinking I would say something like: "[my name] representing my parents, siblings, children and future descendants and I strenuously oppose the proposed bill."
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This is kind of a first, so that isn't clear. Unless we get some overt legislator support for public input - and I believe that would require a vote of the committee, which, like all committees this session, is chaired and numerically dominated by Ds - there will be no time allocated to the public in the Committee consideration of the bills. Maybe a minute each for Ed Worley (NRA), Sam Paredes (GOC) and Tom Pederson (CRPA).'.
Edited. Was in error. Assembly rules committee sets powers for the committees. Committee chairs have the power to limit public comment and witnesses. What we used to do is write the committee as soon as the bill was assigned to them and ask for x amount of time for testimony. Paredes has a bit of inside track on these meetings because he's a relative to a former legislator. I was a bit baffled about his ability to show up in committee just a few minutes prior to the hearing, while the rest of us sat through a zillion words on other bills.

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you will be on TV but they only let 2-3 people from the public speak from each side and approx 2 mins each. They then let other people come up to the microphone and state if you are for or against the legislation and what organization (if any) you are representing. The local Brady idiot and Benjamin Van Houten from Legal community against gun violence (or whatever their flavor of the week name is) were there along with about 5 other people who stated their orgs and position for when AB48 and AB162 were in committee. Craig DeLuz of Cal-FFL and Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California spoke against. A gentleman from the Heritage foundation stated who he was and that he was against the bills.

I like the idea of saying : I am Mag360, I am representing my mother, my father, my brother, my wife, my future kids, my future grand kids, anyone who has ever been a victim of your disarmament policies, women who have been raped, gays who have been bashed and unable to fight back, and I strongly oppose this measure.
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