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Old 04-07-2013, 6:18 PM
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Consider me interested. I own a transportation company and a secure warehouse with 15000 square feet, forklift, pallet jacks, containers, flatbeds, enclosed trailers and box vans. We are open and staffed 6 days a week, 8am-5pm. In the Inland Empire. I believe that my existing licenses and insurance will allow for storing and transporting small arms munitions. Please let me know logistics/distribution/transport plans.
Sounds like IE distro is covered.. I have a brick and mortar building with store front in Buena Park.. As far as i can tell no license is needed to sell Ammo..

My neighbor also drives big rig for a living owner operator .. just owns the truck no trailer..
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I'm interested. Sacramento. Large warehouse with forklift capable of receiving many pallets of fun stuff. PM me if i could be involved.
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Very interested, Brentwood-Oakley east co co county area, i am an operator at Dow and work a 4/12 shift, so my 4 days off i can deliver in the area also when im not busy with church and my family, good oppurtunity to spread the gospel too ya know!!
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I'm interested in various calibers.
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Any updates from the OP? Seems like it's just all dreams....
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I am interested in 9mm, 45, and 223
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:15 PM
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I'm interested. particularily in .308, .223, .45, .22lr, and 9mm...

Also willing to donate any skills I can offer. (Negotiating, financial/business planning, logistics)
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:29 PM
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I'm in. Why didn't someone think of this earlier?
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If all works out and is planned accordingly, im in. (San Diego)
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Any new news about this opportunity?
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I'm in... located in the lax area, I have means to store large quantities as well as ship/receivin Out of El segundo, people are free to pick up oders there as well ftf ... lets see what happens-im in!
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Old 04-08-2013, 7:33 AM
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Still keeping an eye on this thread. Great response by Calguners! I hope this great idea will only gain momentum and will materialize soon.
Ready to help and contribute in West San Fernando Valley.
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Old 04-08-2013, 9:17 AM
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I'm in will help the guy in Newbury park distribute
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Old 04-08-2013, 9:30 AM
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I am in for Huntington Beach. Also would be willing to to get in with a few peeps here that are local to help shoulder the quarterly cost.
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Old 04-08-2013, 9:36 AM
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I am in for Huntington Beach. Also would be willing to to get in with a few peeps here that are local to help shoulder the quarterly cost.
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Old 04-08-2013, 9:49 AM
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I would like to be in if we get 556. I live in sac/ nor cal area, I can distribute. I like the way you think
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Any updates from the OP? Seems like it's just all dreams....
Kickstarter is a good idea but they charge a percentage of the total. Also no guarantee of refunds if it fails thru.

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Just so everyone is on the same page, If everyone sent me $3000 today I would have a pile of cash but we would be no closer to having ammo than the guy waiting at the door for Walmart to open. This plan stemmed from the current shortage but will not be a solution to THIS shortage. Anyone that plans on going back to their online dealer or local supplier as soon as there is inventory again should unsubscribe to this thread. No one without an import permit can help any of us get ammo now. If you are looking for a fix for your ammo Jones you are in the wrong place. However if you want to guarantee a consistent supply of low priced first quality ammo in the future this may be the solution.
I don't have all the details worked out yet but I am on it day and night.
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:32 PM
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I'm down too help, San Diego/Chula Vista area. Let me know what I can do.
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rounds i'm interested in

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North Carolina. Interested in 9mm and 5.56 if the price is right. Maybe other calibers as well. Can commit for one quarter. I have to see how fast I can move the ammo first.
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I'm in... I can help with transport of product. City of Orange
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Count me in for .223, 9mm, 40, and 45 ( I need them as wife is shooting all my ammo :-( ). No Shop but I can help deliver if needed. I am in San Mateo county
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Any way we can lock this thread until Baja gets some new info, then have it unlocked when he's ready to post? It's obvious that there's no problem getting hundreds, if not thousands, of CGers to get onboard with this. All we're getting now is tons of people saying they're in at this juncture........
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i will help - in Bakersfield, Visalia, Porterville areas.
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Any way we can lock this thread until Baja gets some new info, then have it unlocked when he's ready to post? It's obvious that there's no problem getting hundreds, if not thousands, of CGers to get onboard with this. All we're getting now is tons of people saying they're in at this juncture........
What you don't see is the folks with real constructive input and contributions that send PMs with legitimate and useful services to offer. So far we have an attorney, an Investment banker, Warehouse and transportation operators, 1 FFL accounting and IT/web professionals and 1 marketing guy. All liking the Idea and saying they want to bring their resources to the table. Yeah, better lock the thread, while you are at it throw Jones in the dungeon or burn him at the stake, hangin's to good for him. When he invents the wheel by himself we will unlock the thread and see if it's round.

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I'm interested if the prices are reasonable. I am interested in .40, .308, 5.56, 22LR, 7.62x39, and 9mm please keep us updated on what the prices look like once you know more.
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What you don't see is the folks with real constructive input and contributions that send PMs with legitimate and useful services to offer. So far we have an attorney, an Investment banker, Warehouse and transportation operators, 1 FFL accounting and IT/web professionals and 1 marketing guy. All liking the Idea and saying they want to bring their resources to the table. Yeah, better lock the thread, while you are at it throw Jones in the dungeon or burn him at the stake, hangin's to good for him. When he invents the wheel by himself we will unlock the thread and see if it's round.
That's great that things are going on behind the scenes. But unless you're waiting for a senior executive at an ammo manufacturer to start posting here, is there much reason to keep the thread going with CGers saying "great idea, I'm in"??? It is a great idea/concept and I hope you and the team you're putting together are successful in pulling it off. I'd happily be a co-op member if offered the opportunity.

But allow me to play devil's advocate here. I ask these questions rhetorically, but feel free to answer them if you're inclined to do so:

1) What value would this co-op bring to a manufacturer? It's not as if there isn't enough demand to consume what the manufacturers are currently producing (which is why so many of us are chasing the reasonably priced stuff when it hits store shelves and online sites). When you look at the financials of a company like Alliant Techsystems (NYSE:ATK, owners of brands such as Federal, CCI, Speer & Blazer), would a $3M/quarter (1,000 co-op members X 10,000 round quarterly commitments X 30 cents per round = $3M) commitment from the co-op make much of a difference when ATK does $1B in revenue per quarter? At the 10M round per quarter level, we'd be giving ATK a bounce in their overall quarterly revenues of approximately 3/10 of 1% (0.3%). In the business world, that kind of revenue bump is derisively called "mice nuts".

2) From the perspective of the major distributors, major retailers like Walmarts/Cabelas/Bass Pro Shops/Turners on down to the LGSs, how does allowing a co-op to essentially be their equal from the get-go AND cherrypick the popular calibers engender any loyalty whatsoever going forward with the manufacturer(s) that do business with the co-op? Any manufacturer that produces a product that is highly desired and highly allocated has to be diligent about maintaining goodwill and pipeline with their long-standing top accounts. It's not as if Walmart is too dumb or too cash poor to increase their orders of .223/5.56, .22lr, 9mm, .45, etc. with the manufacturers at a magnitude that would far outstrip any orders a co-op could produce. If ATK could ramp production up and produce an additional $25M/quarter of the popular calibers, would Walmart/Cabelas/Bass/Turners/etc. say "no thanks, we couldn't use a few thousand more cases of the product that are automatic sellthroughs in a matter of hours, if not minutes"? The reason why there's a supply chain in place, and that many large manufacturers do little to no direct sales to consumers, is to reward the entities that buy the entire product portfolio in quantity through the boom times as well as the less robust times.

Again, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade by pooh-poohing this concept. But I've been involved with companies that had products that were scarce/highly desired, and seen how they treated "johnny come latelys" who wanted to only buy the most desirable products in quantity. The outcome wasn't positive for the johnnys, and the historical accounts were given the rewards of having stood by the manufacturer from the get-go.
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That's great that things are going on behind the scenes. But unless you're waiting for a senior executive at an ammo manufacturer to start posting here, is there much reason to keep the thread going with CGers saying "great idea, I'm in"??? It is a great idea/concept and I hope you and the team you're putting together are successful in pulling it off. I'd happily be a co-op member if offered the opportunity.

But allow me to play devil's advocate here. I ask these questions rhetorically, but feel free to answer them if you're inclined to do so:

1) What value would this co-op bring to a manufacturer? It's not as if there isn't enough demand to consume what the manufacturers are currently producing (which is why so many of us are chasing the reasonably priced stuff when it hits store shelves and online sites). When you look at the financials of a company like Alliant Techsystems (NYSE:ATK, owners of brands such as Federal, CCI, Speer & Blazer), would a $3M/quarter (1,000 co-op members X 10,000 round quarterly commitments X 30 cents per round = $3M) commitment from the co-op make much of a difference when ATK does $1B in revenue per quarter? At the 10M round per quarter level, we'd be giving ATK a bounce in their overall quarterly revenues of approximately 3/10 of 1% (0.3%). In the business world, that kind of revenue bump is derisively called "mice nuts".

2) From the perspective of the major distributors, major retailers like Walmarts/Cabelas/Bass Pro Shops/Turners on down to the LGSs, how does allowing a co-op to essentially be their equal from the get-go AND cherrypick the popular calibers engender any loyalty whatsoever going forward with the manufacturer(s) that do business with the co-op? Any manufacturer that produces a product that is highly desired and highly allocated has to be diligent about maintaining goodwill and pipeline with their long-standing top accounts. It's not as if Walmart is too dumb or too cash poor to increase their orders of .223/5.56, .22lr, 9mm, .45, etc. with the manufacturers at a magnitude that would far outstrip any orders a co-op could produce. If ATK could ramp production up and produce an additional $25M/quarter of the popular calibers, would Walmart/Cabelas/Bass/Turners/etc. say "no thanks, we couldn't use a few thousand more cases of the product that are automatic sellthroughs in a matter of hours, if not minutes"? The reason why there's a supply chain in place, and that many large manufacturers do little to no direct sales to consumers, is to reward the entities that buy the entire product portfolio in quantity through the boom times as well as the less robust times.

Again, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade by pooh-poohing this concept. But I've been involved with companies that had products that were scarce/highly desired, and seen how they treated "johnny come latelys" who wanted to only buy the most desirable products in quantity. The outcome wasn't positive for the johnnys, and the historical accounts were given the rewards of having stood by the manufacturer from the get-go.
The points you are making are valid, so let me translate that into one sentence: You need to find a good match with a manufacturer.


This would be great for a company starting out that is looking to capture a captive market.
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The points you are making are valid, so let me translate that into one sentence: You need to find a good match with a manufacturer.


This would be great for a company starting out that is looking to capture a captive market.
Absolutely this would be of interest to a "new kid on the block", or someone who is a bit player that's looking to make a move to capture more market share and increase revenue. As long as co-op members are OK with a non-"name brand" and/or someone who doesn't yet have a long track record of consistency/reliability of their products.
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