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Old 04-03-2013, 8:13 AM
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I could be in depending on the logistics. I also have a friend who lives in San Andreas that has a forklift at a shop. There is also a UPS hub right there if that helps anything.

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Old 04-03-2013, 8:16 AM
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this sounds great however what if you cant afford 10,000 rounds a quarter? can you still get in? I would be interested in maybe 1000 to 2000 rounds a quarter. if this is possible im in
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Old 04-03-2013, 8:47 AM
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I would bet out of all my shooting friends I could arrange for 10k/quarter.

.223/5.56, .40, .45ACP, probably 9mm... San Diego area.

10,000 rounds per quarter is quite a bit for one person though. I certainly don't shoot that much. How long would this "contract" last? Unless I'm missing something, I would guess you might have a hard time getting people to commit to 1100 dollars a month (assuming .33-ish per round) for a very extended amount of time.

Either way, I'm interested. Sounds like there are a lot of details to be worked out... I'll be following this thread.
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Old 04-03-2013, 8:52 AM
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I am in as well. And can also deliever anywhere in the sf bay area
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Old 04-03-2013, 8:57 AM
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i'm in...garage space in san diego
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Old 04-03-2013, 9:30 AM
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We militias are always in need for ammo.
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Old 04-03-2013, 9:33 AM
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This type of thinking is on point with our constitution to keep our public armed.
A+ for Baja Jones's plan.
I am in for purchases in San Joaquin county.
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Old 04-03-2013, 9:37 AM
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im in ,have truck can distribute or pick up --- South Orange County area
223/556-9mm-44mag-12g-45acp for a couple thousand each
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Old 04-03-2013, 9:53 AM
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Interested too. Can volunteer time and/or car to help too.
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Old 04-03-2013, 9:57 AM
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Can help in the bay area...
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:03 AM
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Interested - can help in the San Gabriel Valley (east) area. Wonder if any of the pending legislation could rain on this parade?

And HOLY CRAP....some of you talking about moving 10k a day, what - is that like once per month or something!?! I'm a manly man too, but damn if my finger wouldn't get tired quick!
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:04 AM
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I'd be in as long as I can afford it. .45, 9mm, .223/556, 7.62,5.45, 22lr

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:14 AM
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I would love to help out. High desert area here, cover about 150 miles in geography in my current work capacity along the 395/58/15 area and use a full-size work truck. I have secure storage at home, but would need to check with local permitting, laws, regs, etc. before committing my home to the cause.

There is a local shop owner (one man operation) who holds an FFL near Ridgecrest, has a large secure location on his property, and just expanded his storage space. One thing he lacks is ammo (due to the current climate). I have transferred a few firearms through him, good guy, I could broach the subject to him if you thought it worthwhile.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:16 AM
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I don't see where in the supply chain people are vulnerable? Pick up from the shipper will not be disclosed to general public, and buyers will have a set list of dates and times to pick up ammo from the distributors. I think distribution should happen somewhere where the distributors can be locked and loaded, like at a gun range parking lot. I know the guys at metcalf pretty well, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

Dunno, I guess I'm just skeptical and suspicious of events that could go wrong. I would worry that once word gets out that there is an ammo co-op handling hundreds of thousands of rounds and that distributors were common folk doing it for Calguns, some nefarious people will plot to take some. It wouldn't take much to get into the distribution chain information. Gangsters need ammo, too.

Maybe it's just me, but how does one not worry if he has $82,000 of ammo entrusted to him with no insurance against theft?

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Old 04-03-2013, 10:41 AM
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my intrest is sparked...I have a truck as well
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:01 AM
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I have interest also. Will watch closely as more info unfolds. Also have a dually truck with 18' enclosed cattle trailer. Have truck will travel. Central Valley, Fresno, Madera and beyond.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:17 AM
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I'd be interested.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:28 AM
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I'm in for .308 + .22LR.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:33 AM
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Seems to me you may need a resale license, business license etc. Then, if it is established that you are selling ammo, I think you need certain FFL's as well.

How will you structure the payments? You will need a checking account, accounts receivable and payable etc. You will need people working on this constantly. It's quite a large endeavor. Start with the lawyers. Worry about drivers last.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:33 AM
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I'm in, San Diego-south bay area
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:36 AM
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Great idea in theory. I recently distributed 25K rounds of 9mm, so I have a little bit of experience with slightly larger than normal ammo shipments. Each case of 1K rounds weighed 32 pounds, so the 25K rounds weighed 800 pounds and took up space equivalent to a decent sized file cabinet.

There's a very large elephant in the room that could derail this plan, and that's liability. Any building owner/leasee will want to have that more than adequately addressed. Beyond just the inherent liability of having millions of rounds of live ammo being received and stored (let's not kid ourselves, qty of that scale does not get immediately distributed as soon as it's unloaded, so some qty of the order will sit for hours or potentially overnight), there's liability around any possible personal injuries (lifting many cases repetitively or dropping a case on your foot) as well as potential property damage to the storage facility and distribution vehicles. And let's not minimize the possibility of attempted theft, either. The wrong person hears that there's hundreds of thousands of dollars of ammo arriving in a warehouse in a potentially remote or less-trafficked location..........

For this to work, the co-op would need to have the capability of ordering and taking delivery of millions of rounds at a time. Storing and distributing that kind of scale in as short a timeframe as possible to minimize certain liability aspects mentioned above is no easy undertaking. Forklifts and manual labor have to be arranged for, and are there enough CGers available during the week if the shipment cannot come in on a Saturday?

I'm sure there a couple of other aspects I'm missing that have to be addressed/accounted for........
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You should find a friendly Gun Club or range to accept shipment of the ammo. Then the buyers could meet there and pick it up and pay for range time and do some shooting. This would work great at an outdoor range. I am in San Diego and would be interested. I have a truck too.
maybe OC armory?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:50 AM
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How are you going to get around sales tax? It is a transaction within state borders.
we are not going to get around sales tax or any other law regulating this activity. My Idea is to open another LLC just for this CO-OPs activity.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:53 AM
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I'm interested, Thousand Oaks/Ventura
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:59 AM
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Seems to me you may need a resale license, business license etc. Then, if it is established that you are selling ammo, I think you need certain FFL's as well.

How will you structure the payments? You will need a checking account, accounts receivable and payable etc. You will need people working on this constantly. It's quite a large endeavor. Start with the lawyers. Worry about drivers last.
What he said! "Start with the lawyers!"
I run 3 business already, thanks for the advise though.
This part is up to the lawyers but I plan on making all participants members.
This will be a real CO-OP so we will not be selling anything to anyone. The group will purchase it and own it as a group. The mark up will go to fund the operating costs.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:03 PM
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Dunno, I guess I'm just skeptical and suspicious of events that could go wrong. I would worry that once word gets out that there is an ammo co-op handling hundreds of thousands of rounds and that distributors were common folk doing it for Calguns, some nefarious people will plot to take some. It wouldn't take much to get into the distribution chain information. Gangsters need ammo, too.

Maybe it's just me, but how does one not worry if he has $82,000 of ammo entrusted to him with no insurance against theft?

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Seems to me you may need a resale license, business license etc. Then, if it is established that you are selling ammo, I think you need certain FFL's as well.

How will you structure the payments? You will need a checking account, accounts receivable and payable etc. You will need people working on this constantly. It's quite a large endeavor. Start with the lawyers. Worry about drivers last.
^^ If you get past all this stuff successfully, I'M IN.
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:21 PM
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this sounds great however what if you cant afford 10,000 rounds a quarter? can you still get in? I would be interested in maybe 1000 to 2000 rounds a quarter. if this is possible im in
My thought is there is no requirement to participate in every purchase however there will have to be a floor of around 10,000 rounds per order to prevent the paperwork from becoming a full time job. The idea is you find a bunch of friends to go in with. Possibly set up a message board so CalGunners geographically close can throw in together. I just watched a group buy fill up with 1500 orders for a particular AR part in a 2 week period. We need 1000 orders of 10,000 rounds or the equivalent. If we can get great pricing we should have no trouble getting the orders. If we can't get pricing, this whole thing is an exorcize in typing.
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Maybe a better route is sg ammo with orders over 7k free shipping. Also no sales tax. Plus they take credit cards. This way no major distribution problems, no overhead and no permits. Also their prices are great to start of with. When all said and done how much are you really going to save? Don't forget the cost of fuel and labor.
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Im in, have plenty of co-workers to get in on it
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lemme know. 4 of us shoot .22lr, .223/5.56 and 9mm.
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I'm in and I can assist with shipping and logistics. Have discounts and accounts with all major carriers.
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maybe OC armory?
Mike's please isn't even close to large enough for this. To say nothing of the business interruption this will cause to any business. Especially if he's not making anything on it.
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