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Old 04-17-2013, 2:58 PM
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Vancouver, WA looks a little better each day...
Make it happen man! The water is nice up here. We have no weapons bans pending or passed this year.
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Can I still flood my reps with e-mails about stopping SB374 or is it too late?
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Can I still flood my reps with e-mails about stopping SB374 or is it too late?
I still do, with that bill and all others.
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It's looking BAD for us in Cali. Damnit!!
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Dear Mr. *****:


Thank you for taking the time to contact me about gun control proposals. I appreciate having the opportunity to respond.

I support the Second Amendment and the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms. The right to keep and bear arms comes with many serious responsibilities and obligations. I have consistently supported legislation that imposes tough penalties for violent criminals who use firearms in the commission of a crime and opposed legislation which diminishes our Second Amendment rights.

On January 16, 2013 President Obama announced 23 executive actions and called for legislation on gun control. The complete list of President Obama's action is available at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/pre...g-gun-violence. Additionally, at least ten new bills related to firearms have been introduced in Congress since the start of the year. To review the Congressional proposals, please visit www.thomas.loc.gov.

After the tragic events in Newtown, CT, the nation is rightfully reflecting on the causes of such tragedies and considering how to prevent deranged individuals from obtaining weapons. I strongly support the instant check system and believe that a thorough review of the way mental health officials share information with federal, state and local law enforcement agencies is needed. I have voted in the past to improve sharing of mental health records with the instant check system and support common-sense legislation to improve it further. At the same time, I have voted against efforts to restrict law-abiding citizens' Second Amendment rights and will continue to do so.

I oppose unilateral action by the White House that circumvents our legislative process and avoids proper congressional and public scrutiny and I will be thoroughly reviewing the proposals to ensure they are not in conflict with our constitutional guarantees.

Your comments on this important matter are appreciated and I look forward to a productive conversation about how we can best prevent similar tragedies while ensuring we respect law-abiding citizens' constitutional rights.

Sincerely,

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I take Issa's stance with a grain of salt though. He is our local representative and is supposedly pro CCW yet it is next to impossible to obtain a CCW permit in his district. However, let's see what he ultimately votes for in DC and his response is in line with our view on the Bill of Rights.

EDIT: So Issa, along with others, just passed CISPA, a complete invasion of our 1st and 4th Amendment Rights. Hypocrisy as usual, but what else can we expect from politicians.
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I'm a new member but you can count me in for the fight. I have been emailing our legislators and trying to get my voice heard. Let me know what I can do.

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Are there any up coming peaceful pro-gun rallies scheduled, that you guys are aware of? To get our voices heard with a physical turn out of 2A supporters?
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So so far, no results on bill 760 about ammo taxes and needing to be ffl to sell ammo?
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Write your assemblyman regarding each bill, or at least write about one bill. Write to your state senator about one bill or all the bills.

It is not too early to write to Gov. Brown urging him not to sign the bills that may (probably will) pass. Even if Brown were to veto the bills, our legislature will push them into law. Then we have CalGuns Foundation and the NRA to carry the legal challenges forward.

Write letters or send emails!
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Write your assemblyman regarding each bill, or at least write about one bill. Write to your state senator about one bill or all the bills.

It is not too early to write to Gov. Brown urging him not to sign the bills that may (probably will) pass. Even if Brown were to veto the bills, our legislature will push them into law. Then we have CalGuns Foundation and the NRA to carry the legal challenges forward.

Write letters or send emails!

It's my understanding that for a legislative body to override a veto is a pretty serious rebuke/insult to an executive.

I know the state dems are completely corrupt and amoral, but bad enough to override Jerry's veto and risk his wrath?
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As a former Californian, I'm watching this go on and it's like a slow-motion train wreck. For my part, I cannot see any good changes despite the herculean effort you all are doing to satisfy the 'lawful' means of effecting positive change and a gradual return of lost gun culture - but what will you all do individually and collectively when you accept the inevitable? Hide things, appease, concede?

I know nobody will discuss their James Yeager moment or define when it's 'go' time, but hopefully you've all thought about it and have thought about when it's time to right the wrongs smartly. These laws far surpass the lunacy in NY and while I won't encourage any violence, I do hope that when just one goes over that line, he's not alone.

Keep up the good fight Calgunners, and know when to move or fight differently!
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but bad enough to override Jerry's veto and risk his wrath?
That's assuming Brown vetos them in the first place. I wouldn't bank on that.
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Default Letters to our Representatives.

I sent the canned NRA-ILA letter, then took the time to write my own. We must keep up the pressure at all costs.

I feel compelled to share what I wrote so we can pool or ideas and scenarios. It was not perfect, but I beleive I spoke with a good sense of reality and didn't come off as a nut. I tried very hard to build scenarios in a rebuttlal format. Here is my letter:

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Response:

I oppose all legislation below and will indicate why below each Bill. I urge
you please to vote "NO" on all the legislation as it will never stop
Criminals getting their hands on the firearms. Simply, Criminals do not
follow the law, and stripping us law abiding citizens of our ability to
defend ourselves and meet the criminal with equal and greater force is how we will survive.

With rulings indicating The Police do not have to commit or protect citizens
Leave the clear and decisive need to protect ourselves with equal and
Greater forces is in our hands.

Please read the rebuttals to all bills below each stated:

Assembly Bill 711 (Rendon) BANS the use of all lead ammunition for hunting.

Rebuttal:
Lead Ammunition is design for the quick and ethical kill of animals.
Ammunitions that are too hard will pass through the animals and will cause
longer live times or they run and hide and bleed to death how can you live
with the thought of a long death when lawfully and licensed quotas of Game
Animals.. A hunter wants a quick and clean kill. Hard bullets that do not
deliver all the energy that pass though with sufficient energy are still
dangerous as they keep going.

Lead has been used for 100's or years and there is no evidence given that
justifies the banning of it. It is an attempt to stop the ability to reload
ammunition and take it out of the hands of the hobbyist or competition
shooter.

Many gun Clubs extract and clean up hunting areas today, and reclaim the
lead so it cleans up the environment. Lead is a natural element created when
the planet was created. There are plenty of warnings and safe handling
procedures that already protect the use of it. We do not need to band it.


Assembly Bill 231 (Ting) expands the law for Criminal Storage of Firearms and
child access.

Rebuttal:
We already have these laws. Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms as
well as teach our children safe gun handling practices, procedures and the
Realities on how dangerous they are.


Senate Bill 47 (Yee) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the
future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use
the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon”
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other “assault weapons” restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When your home is invaded by criminals that have semi automatic weapons with High capacity magazines, we need to be able to meet that force with equal and greater force to defend our homes families and our very lives. I am not asking for a rocket launcher, Tank or a bazooka, or a machine gun. The
definition of assault is when another person attempts to do you bodily harm.
it has nothing to do with how firearms are defined or look, again it is
criminals that are assaulters not firearms.

Senate Bill 53 (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

Rebuttal:
How many background checks do we need to be subjected to? How much Ammo I buy to defend my home or to compete in an Amercan tradition of sportsmanship should be unlimited and within my own resources to acquire. You are already treating us like criminals. Ammunitions needs to be available by all means necessary to be able to protect ourselves. This vary law and the one that was repealed interferes with interstate commerce laws. let’s not waste any more time litigating and wasting tax payers money. You get to collect the taxes on the mail orders so you would be cutting an income stream.

You are suppose to be upholding our Civil rights (The Constitution) as you
have sworn in the oath of office. Your continuous attacks on out rights must
stop. Cease and desist..

Senate Bill 108 (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a
locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.

Rebuttal:
I already lock up and store all my firearms because I am a responsible gun
owner. When I am home, I have the right to carry, inspect, practice, clean
and maintain all of my weapons and keeping them locked up at all time in
itself strips us of the ability to defend ourselves and our homes at a
moment’s notice. Then what stops the criminals from the taking those firearms to then create more crime?

I Have and continue to train my children in the safe use storage and
maintenance of all firearms, and the dangers of firearms. I don't need
countless laws to tell me to be responsible.

Senate Bill 293 (DeSaulnier) BANS the sale of conventional handguns, if the
state Department of Justice approves the sale of “Owner Authorized – Smart” handgun technology.

Rebuttal:
Some of the technologies force the defeating of a firearm when it is needed
the most in an emergency. Clip removal lockout mechanisms disable a gun from firing a chambered round could be the last defense to a lethal and death
clash with a home invasion. Passing these laws, is unconceivable, and how do you sleep at night knowing you have stripped us of our abilities to defend
ourselves. As stated by the courts and many statistics, the police will never
show up in time, and it has already been determined by the courts Police do
not have to defend or protect citizens.


Senate Bill 299 (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals
for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.

Rebuttal:
Why make more criminals out of victims. In many cases Those persons having their guns stolen may not even know they have been taken, All this will do is cause less reporting because this would mean jail time for a crime you didn’t commit. The criminal that stole the weapon is the real criminal here.

Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg) expands the definition of "assault weapons" to
BAN the future transfer of all semi-auto rifles that accept detachable
magazines (including those chambered for rimfire cartridges) and virtually
all semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines (primarily those chambered for
rim fire cartridges), requires NEW "assault weapon" registration, requires
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other "assault weapon" restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When I bought all my firearms in the state of California, they are already
registered. Double, triple registration is nothing but costly, and burden to
the Law abiding citizen. Criminals are not going to register their stolen
guns, or acquired stolen guns from a black market.

Rim fire ammunition is one generation above Cap and ball and these calibers
are not powerful enough to stop a home invasion and are used more for target practice. Hindering us at every turn of our lives is a direct attack on the life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We have far too many regulations and laws, that are a hindrance or road blocks to the basic and fundamental civil rights.

I must be able to defend my home and family with equal and greater force to stop a gang of Home invasion criminals. When you stop us or prohibit us from lawfully obtaining firearms of equal force, you condemn us to death. How do you sleep at night?

I am not asking to own a Tank, Bazooka or a machine gun, but for the ability
to own what is clearly someone’s distorted interpretation of what an assault
weapon is. When a criminal attacks my home it is an assault. Assaults are the acts of people not how you define a weapon and its capability.

To be a proficient operator of firearms Small arms are cheaper to stay in
practice to strip us of the ability to maintain skill will leave us vulnerable in a time of crisis in attempting to defend ourselves. Our police forces train every day. Proficient and Law abiding Gun owners need to be afforded the same training an expertise.

Senate Bill 396 (Hancock) BANS the POSSESSION of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than ten cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered large capacity” magazines.

Rebuttal:
High capacity magazines are the equal and opposite force needed to defend
our homes when a multiple Criminal home invasion occurs. Forcing me to 10
rounds or not allowing me to change out a magazine quickly to meet with equal or greater force will get us all killed. Again, the police will never be
there in time and by law do not have to protect you or your family. That by
my Civil rights is a task I assume the rights to do.

Senate Bill 567 (Jackson) expands the definition of shotgun for
“short-barreled shotguns” that are illegal to own.

Rebuttal:
Most in close combat situations in home invasions a short barreled Shotgun
gives a wider blast range to take out the criminal. A short barreled shotgun
in a struggle is harder to take away than a 30" goose gun, and easier to
maneuver in your home during an home invasion. These bills are short sighted and do not have any statistics behind them to even unjustify their existence.


Stop trying to take our rights away. You swore an oath to defend the
constitution not to destroy it. All I see is a constant attack and
stripping of our privacy and civil rights. Cease and desist.

Senate Bill 755 (Wolk) expands the list of persons prohibited from owning a
firearm.

Rebuttal:
Where does the list ever stop? Once a list like this gets created, you will
find every reason on the planet to add everyone to it. Referring to the
Mentally ill, lets design and implement programs that fix the broken mental
health system in this country and build better rehabilitation programs. It
seems you simply have given up on us Americans and our basic rights.

Assembly Bill 169 (Dickinson), which BANS the sale of handguns not on the
state-approved roster.

Rebuttal:
Good people exercising caution always make good choices in private gun
transfers. FFL03 with Certificates of Eligibility holders are persons that
have gone through the rigors of background and Good moral character checks. We are ask by the DOJ to help monitor the exchange and transfer in private party transfers to flush out criminals. We are required to log transfers even for curios and relics, as well as use an FFL01 to transfer mocder day handguns into the state of California.

Collectors of firearms collect just like a stamp collectors collect stamps or
a coin collector collects coins. They have the right to collect as many as
they want with no restrictions to when it was sold or used.

In closing you need law abiding citizens to help deter the Criminals by
allowing us to meet them with equal or greater force to win the battle
against crime.

The theater Massacre and Sanyhook are examples of Gun free zones that to a criminal are free for all killing opportunities. If the theater would have
had CCW holders carrying, the shooter would have been met with a force that would have save lives.

We need to fortify our schools and teach our children that Firearms used
properly and how to defend themselves in the long run teaches good citizens
to be safe and learn the consequences of submitting and cowering. That will
only get you killed

Why not go after Video Games or Hollywood movies that seem to endlessly
portray violence, and leave us gun owners alone, to protect our selves in how we see fit.

Again Assault is what people do to people and is not a word or phrase that
should be used to define firearms that used in the proper manor allow us to
exercise the rights to traditional sportsmanship, competition shooting and
self defense.

Thank you
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Response:

I oppose all legislation below and will indicate why below each Bill. I urge
you please to vote "NO" on all the legislation as it will never stop
Criminals getting their hands on the firearms. Simply, Criminals do not
follow the law, and stripping us law abiding citizens of our ability to
defend ourselves and meet the criminal with equal and greater force is how we will survive.

With rulings indicating The Police do not have to commit or protect citizens
Leave the clear and decisive need to protect ourselves with equal and
Greater forces is in our hands.

Please read the rebuttals to all bills below each stated:

Assembly Bill 711 (Rendon) BANS the use of all lead ammunition for hunting.

Rebuttal:
Lead Ammunition is design for the quick and ethical kill of animals.
Ammunitions that are too hard will pass through the animals and will cause
longer live times or they run and hide and bleed to death how can you live
with the thought of a long death when lawfully and licensed quotas of Game
Animals.. A hunter wants a quick and clean kill. Hard bullets that do not
deliver all the energy that pass though with sufficient energy are still
dangerous as they keep going.

Lead has been used for 100's or years and there is no evidence given that
justifies the banning of it. It is an attempt to stop the ability to reload
ammunition and take it out of the hands of the hobbyist or competition
shooter.

Many gun Clubs extract and clean up hunting areas today, and reclaim the
lead so it cleans up the environment. Lead is a natural element created when
the planet was created. There are plenty of warnings and safe handling
procedures that already protect the use of it. We do not need to band it.


Assembly Bill 231 (Ting) expands the law for Criminal Storage of Firearms and
child access.

Rebuttal:
We already have these laws. Responsible gun owners lock up their firearms as
well as teach our children safe gun handling practices, procedures and the
Realities on how dangerous they are.


Senate Bill 47 (Yee) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the
future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use
the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon”
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other “assault weapons” restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When your home is invaded by criminals that have semi automatic weapons with High capacity magazines, we need to be able to meet that force with equal and greater force to defend our homes families and our very lives. I am not asking for a rocket launcher, Tank or a bazooka, or a machine gun. The
definition of assault is when another person attempts to do you bodily harm.
it has nothing to do with how firearms are defined or look, again it is
criminals that are assaulters not firearms.

Senate Bill 53 (DeLeon) requires persons to buy an annual ammunition purchase permit, requires the registration and thumbprint of the purchaser for each ammunition purchase, and bans online and mail order sales of ammunition to Californians.

Rebuttal:
How many background checks do we need to be subjected to? How much Ammo I buy to defend my home or to compete in an Amercan tradition of sportsmanship should be unlimited and within my own resources to acquire. You are already treating us like criminals. Ammunitions needs to be available by all means necessary to be able to protect ourselves. This vary law and the one that was repealed interferes with interstate commerce laws. let’s not waste any more time litigating and wasting tax payers money. You get to collect the taxes on the mail orders so you would be cutting an income stream.

You are suppose to be upholding our Civil rights (The Constitution) as you
have sworn in the oath of office. Your continuous attacks on out rights must
stop. Cease and desist..

Senate Bill 108 (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a
locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.

Rebuttal:
I already lock up and store all my firearms because I am a responsible gun
owner. When I am home, I have the right to carry, inspect, practice, clean
and maintain all of my weapons and keeping them locked up at all time in
itself strips us of the ability to defend ourselves and our homes at a
moment’s notice. Then what stops the criminals from the taking those firearms to then create more crime?

I Have and continue to train my children in the safe use storage and
maintenance of all firearms, and the dangers of firearms. I don't need
countless laws to tell me to be responsible.

Senate Bill 293 (DeSaulnier) BANS the sale of conventional handguns, if the
state Department of Justice approves the sale of “Owner Authorized – Smart” handgun technology.

Rebuttal:
Some of the technologies force the defeating of a firearm when it is needed
the most in an emergency. Clip removal lockout mechanisms disable a gun from firing a chambered round could be the last defense to a lethal and death
clash with a home invasion. Passing these laws, is unconceivable, and how do you sleep at night knowing you have stripped us of our abilities to defend
ourselves. As stated by the courts and many statistics, the police will never
show up in time, and it has already been determined by the courts Police do
not have to defend or protect citizens.


Senate Bill 299 (DeSaulnier) turns victims of firearm theft into criminals
for failing to report the loss of their firearm within 48 hours.

Rebuttal:
Why make more criminals out of victims. In many cases Those persons having their guns stolen may not even know they have been taken, All this will do is cause less reporting because this would mean jail time for a crime you didn’t commit. The criminal that stole the weapon is the real criminal here.

Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg) expands the definition of "assault weapons" to
BAN the future transfer of all semi-auto rifles that accept detachable
magazines (including those chambered for rimfire cartridges) and virtually
all semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines (primarily those chambered for
rim fire cartridges), requires NEW "assault weapon" registration, requires
registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to
retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all
other "assault weapon" restrictions.

Rebuttal:
When I bought all my firearms in the state of California, they are already
registered. Double, triple registration is nothing but costly, and burden to
the Law abiding citizen. Criminals are not going to register their stolen
guns, or acquired stolen guns from a black market.

Rim fire ammunition is one generation above Cap and ball and these calibers
are not powerful enough to stop a home invasion and are used more for target practice. Hindering us at every turn of our lives is a direct attack on the life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We have far too many regulations and laws, that are a hindrance or road blocks to the basic and fundamental civil rights.

I must be able to defend my home and family with equal and greater force to stop a gang of Home invasion criminals. When you stop us or prohibit us from lawfully obtaining firearms of equal force, you condemn us to death. How do you sleep at night?

I am not asking to own a Tank, Bazooka or a machine gun, but for the ability
to own what is clearly someone’s distorted interpretation of what an assault
weapon is. When a criminal attacks my home it is an assault. Assaults are the acts of people not how you define a weapon and its capability.

To be a proficient operator of firearms Small arms are cheaper to stay in
practice to strip us of the ability to maintain skill will leave us vulnerable in a time of crisis in attempting to defend ourselves. Our police forces train every day. Proficient and Law abiding Gun owners need to be afforded the same training an expertise.

Senate Bill 396 (Hancock) BANS the POSSESSION of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than ten cartridges, including currently legally possessed "grandfathered large capacity” magazines.

Rebuttal:
High capacity magazines are the equal and opposite force needed to defend
our homes when a multiple Criminal home invasion occurs. Forcing me to 10
rounds or not allowing me to change out a magazine quickly to meet with equal or greater force will get us all killed. Again, the police will never be
there in time and by law do not have to protect you or your family. That by
my Civil rights is a task I assume the rights to do.

Senate Bill 567 (Jackson) expands the definition of shotgun for
“short-barreled shotguns” that are illegal to own.

Rebuttal:
Most in close combat situations in home invasions a short barreled Shotgun
gives a wider blast range to take out the criminal. A short barreled shotgun
in a struggle is harder to take away than a 30" goose gun, and easier to
maneuver in your home during an home invasion. These bills are short sighted and do not have any statistics behind them to even unjustify their existence.


Stop trying to take our rights away. You swore an oath to defend the
constitution not to destroy it. All I see is a constant attack and
stripping of our privacy and civil rights. Cease and desist.

Senate Bill 755 (Wolk) expands the list of persons prohibited from owning a
firearm.

Rebuttal:
Where does the list ever stop? Once a list like this gets created, you will
find every reason on the planet to add everyone to it. Referring to the
Mentally ill, lets design and implement programs that fix the broken mental
health system in this country and build better rehabilitation programs. It
seems you simply have given up on us Americans and our basic rights.

Assembly Bill 169 (Dickinson), which BANS the sale of handguns not on the
state-approved roster.

Rebuttal:
Good people exercising caution always make good choices in private gun
transfers. FFL03 with Certificates of Eligibility holders are persons that
have gone through the rigors of background and Good moral character checks. We are ask by the DOJ to help monitor the exchange and transfer in private party transfers to flush out criminals. We are required to log transfers even for curios and relics, as well as use an FFL01 to transfer mocder day handguns into the state of California.

Collectors of firearms collect just like a stamp collectors collect stamps or
a coin collector collects coins. They have the right to collect as many as
they want with no restrictions to when it was sold or used.

In closing you need law abiding citizens to help deter the Criminals by
allowing us to meet them with equal or greater force to win the battle
against crime.

The theater Massacre and Sanyhook are examples of Gun free zones that to a criminal are free for all killing opportunities. If the theater would have
had CCW holders carrying, the shooter would have been met with a force that would have save lives.

We need to fortify our schools and teach our children that Firearms used
properly and how to defend themselves in the long run teaches good citizens
to be safe and learn the consequences of submitting and cowering. That will
only get you killed

Why not go after Video Games or Hollywood movies that seem to endlessly
portray violence, and leave us gun owners alone, to protect our selves in how we see fit.

Again Assault is what people do to people and is not a word or phrase that
should be used to define firearms that used in the proper manor allow us to
exercise the rights to traditional sportsmanship, competition shooting and
self defense.

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Anyone Please!! Copy and paste if you like the content. Using scenario based and roll playing based objectivity is key to learning the true nature of how laws can affect life, liberty and the persuit of Happiness.

It is a technique I use with my Job, friends and family to get the point across. I hope that Representatives can look to these truths through the failings and misrepresentation Media outlets portay the topics.

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So, it looks like my sr22 is going to magically turn into an illegal short barreled shotgun. Do you sometimes wonder if some legislators ever bother to read the stuff they vote on?
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With regards to our State Democratic controlled Legislators - (IMO) they know exactly what they are doing.

I trust the passage of the recent anti gun bills will be fought in the courts.
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can someone provide me a link so that I can find my reps and write to them im using dial-up and takes forever to get results..
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can someone provide me a link so that I can find my reps and write to them im using dial-up and takes forever to get results..
The easiest way I found was to go to FPC.org. There you will find links to all the senate and assembly bills, as well of federal bills too. You can send your message on each bill to all state senators and assemblymen. Be patient as it does take some time even with high speed connections.
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The easiest way I found was to go to FPC.org. There you will find links to all the senate and assembly bills, as well of federal bills too. You can send your message on each bill to all state senators and assemblymen. Be patient as it does take some time even with high speed connections.
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thanks i will check it out
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Anyone Please!! Copy and paste if you like the content. Using scenario based and roll playing based objectivity is key to learning the true nature of how laws can affect life, liberty and the persuit of Happiness.

It is a technique I use with my Job, friends and family to get the point across. I hope that Representatives can look to these truths through the failings and misrepresentation Media outlets portray the topics.

I just finished reading your letter and it makes perfect sense to me! I will pass it on to others in hopes of opening the eye's of my fellow Americans.

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I oppose all legislation below and will indicate why below each Bill. I urge
you please to vote "NO" on all the legislation as it will never stop
Criminals getting their hands on the firearms. Simply, Criminals do not
follow the law, and stripping us law abiding citizens of our ability to
defend ourselves and meet the criminal with equal and greater force is how we will survive.
This is so true! How does the government think that by banning guns will stop criminals from using them?? They already get there hands on firearms illegally, while us law abiding folks are left helpless with no rights to protect ourselves.


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The easiest way I found was to go to FPC.org. There you will find links to all the senate and assembly bills, as well of federal bills too. You can send your message on each bill to all state senators and assemblymen. Be patient as it does take some time even with high speed connections.
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Thank you for the info, I will check this out as well.
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I actually, surprisingly, got a handfull of email responses back from live people - not sure if the actual Senators mind you - Just to show them I was human and not just a robot cranking out spam pro 2A emails to them, I responded back to each one with 1 more softer prompt for their consideration. So, it seems like some of these actually might get through as I was a bit leery.
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http://senate.ca.gov/senators
http://assembly.ca.gov/assemblymembers

from this sticky http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=701762
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penny's dad: Is it okay if I make flyers and instruct people to email you with their information to the ACTION LIST even if they are not CAL GUN members?? I'm going to distribute a cr*p load of flyers this weekend!
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penny's dad: Is it okay if I make flyers and instruct people to email you with their information to the ACTION LIST even if they are not CAL GUN members?? I'm going to distribute a cr*p load of flyers this weekend!

Go for it!
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The donation link does not work. PayPal gives this message: "This recipient is currently unable to receive money."

I despise PayPal for reasons many sellers do, and their anti gun position. So it would be nice if there was a link to donate through another source that worked, and was not PayPal.
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One more idea for everyone to consider, use the same rules that the left use's.
Start with the individual's who wrote these bills, gather enough signatures in their districts to have them recalled. Then look at those who support those bills and gather enough signatures to have them recalled. Even if only one or two could be recalled, that would let them know that they are not untouchable and can not act as dictators to the people.
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Thanks for putting this all together. Though you do realize that when emailing these folks they all have a 200 word limit for remarks. Most will not accept an email that does not come directly through the .gov site.

$500+ is a bit costly to write them all eleven letters, heck I'd apply that cash to moving out of CA. It will never get any better, I've been writing these political hacks for years and have almost never seen it bare any fruit. I hate to abandon the fight, but their comes a point when one must conclude that all is lost.

I just fired off 45 emails to The Senate Appropriations Committee members, of which about a dozen were mis-fires. (came back delivery failure) Hopefully their inboxes just exploded. As for the 200 word limit that Ajcrash spoke of I don't know if that might have been the reason for that, but when I was pasting my personalized versions of the provided sample letters, It did not act like it was too many characters, in fact I recall it saying I had something like 400 some-odd characters available after pasting my trimmed down versions. I would like to agree w/ Ajcrash when it comes to keeping it short and to the point, and also thank him for his years of service, However I can't agree to just throw in the towel! So I guess the silver-lining to Ajcrashes turning tail and abandoning the fight, is that I'll try to pick up where he's leaving off! P.S. emails don't cost squat if you can't afford a stamp, but if this ish goes through you'll be able to afford plenty of stamps with all the money you'll be saving on ammo that you can't shoot. So if your reading this and you haven't done squat, maybe you should hit up AjCrash the deserter for some advise on where you should flee to. Or join the fight? So what's it gonna be? Fight or Flee?
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If I'm not mistaken AB 169 is up for vote tomorrow? (bans sales of all off roster handguns)
http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.s...&summary=ab169
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would you object if I copy, e-mailed our reps and shared with others
I'd suggest fixing the gross abuse of Grammar and spelling if you do.
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I have printed and sent to all, multiple times. Im afraid that they dont care what we think tho. Whats the next step whrn this crap all gets passed?
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I have printed and sent to all, multiple times. Im afraid that they dont care what we think tho. Whats the next step whrn this crap all gets passed?
Unfortunately, I doubt they read them or care about our opinion or the 2nd Amendment.
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I hope to God every gun owner hunter shooters and anyone they can get to join us.
Get involved in this fight.and if you think this can't happen .......think again we live in Ca.
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I have printed and sent to all, multiple times. Im afraid that they dont care what we think tho. Whats the next step whrn this crap all gets passed?
I will be posting the next planned campaign in a day.
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Will there be another rally in the near future?
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Rally's are handled by our Alliance partners GRAA and COGR.
I have not heard of any new rallies, but as soon as there is one you will see it posted and supported
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Yes, I'll continue to fight. These people in our statehouse are oppressive. April is a bad month for me to fight though. Got some work finally. I'll have to fight from the computer this time. It's probably for the best though. Those committee meetings were causing me physical grief.
Just reminding you without going thru each page to see if you reposted,

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