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Old 03-27-2013, 4:13 PM
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Gramps passed away awhile back, he served in ww2 and found this rifle, I don't plan on selling, never would, but does anyone got more info on these, worth about? I can't seem to post more than one pic or I'd put a detailed one of the bolt but all it says on it is U.S Carbine, Cal .30 m1, behind the rear sight it's stamped with Saginaw sg, thanks for looking
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It was your Grandfathers, it's value is priceless.

Saginaw Steering Gear was part of General Motors and made wartime M1 Carbines.
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Should be stamped up at the muzzle with the maker and date. Mine is 8-44 Inland Guide. Another GM division.
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I've been shopping for one and the prices I see range from about 900 for a decent one that fires to about 2k for one in great shape. But it's your grandpa's so worth more for you to keep it and pass down someday. It's an heirloom. But if you ever want to sell, let me know. I'll take good care of it.
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Very cool. Awesome that it was your grandfathers. I'd cherish it.

I love M1 Carbines, they're among my favorite guns. I love the way they feel in the hands.
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Very cool. Awesome that it was your grandfathers. I'd cherish it.

I love M1 Carbines, they're among my favorite guns. I love the way they feel in the hands.
A whole lot of Germans and Japanese died looking down the barrel of that awesome weapon. A piece of history.
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I wish I had my Grandfathers rifle, but I will have to settle for the stories. My favorite one involves "sighting in" from a moving vehicle into what turned out to be burial grounds.
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The receiver's manufacturer will be under the rear sight

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A whole lot of Germans and Japanese died looking down the barrel of that awesome weapon. A piece of history.
A lot of people saw the wrong end of this model. From WW2 to Modern day. It's one of the most prolific American weapons ever manufactured. With over 10 manufacturers and over 6.2 million manufactured and distributed to all over the world. Combined with it's pretty long service life. There are still regional military and police that still employ this model.

here's one protecting school children in Israel


And for you, this one that has personally safeguarded your family for 2 generations.
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Thanks all, it will never be sold, trust me in that one, Also, behind the front sight on barrel is says, Saginaw S G Div. General Motors, on the safety lever small letters that say J.A.C and on the mag release button CCM, just a lot of random markings, I just need a box of ammo that's hard to find in these crazy times, oh also has PI on the side of the rear sight, ok that's all, I'm a USMC vet, served in Fallujah Iraq in 2005, have many guns but this one I'll take good care of, thanks again for looking

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Well JAC makes sense cause that's my grandpas Initials!!
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You can find bandoleers of 30mm 6 round clips for it on gunbroker. Semper Fi
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excellent specemine of the M-1 Carbine that should be a cherished family keep sake, but by all means you need to shoot it.
Awesome fun easy for women and smaller framed people to shoot.
Good luck finding ammo for it though.
If you want to shoot it and cant find ammo and you live near the OC I would be willing to give you a box of ammo in your grandfathers memory.
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excellent specemine of the M-1 Carbine that should be a cherished family keep sake, but by all means you need to shoot it.
Awesome fun easy for women and smaller framed people to shoot.
Good luck finding ammo for it though.
If you want to shoot it and cant find ammo and you live near the OC I would be willing to give you a box of ammo in your grandfathers memory.
Thanks, I'll let u know if I ever travel that way, I'm in Nor Cal
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It may be your Grandfather's Carbine but it probably isn't the one he carried in WWII. The rear sight, bayonet lug and "lever" safety all point to a weapon that went through an arsenal refurbishment / update after the war. Far more likely that he bought this one through the NRA/DCM program in the 1960s.

The M1 Carbine is a fascinating weapon and arguably it, rather than the StG44, was the first really successful "assault rifle" in that it combined a intermediate cartridge and high capacity magazine. In its initial design the Carbine was going to be selective fire but the Army deleted that feature for "logistical reasons" only to implement it later in the M2.

Ballistically, the .30 Carbine round couldn't hold a candle to the .30-06 of WWII but it really isn't all that less powerful than the 5.56 NATO fired from the 14.5" tube of the M4 Carbine. The round is in the same class as .357 from a carbine length barrel and with decent modern JHP ammo it is a quite satisfactory defensive weapon.

Lots and lots of info on the M1 Carbine on the Internet; about 2 Million hit on Google. Since the weapon is well documented, you can learn almost anything you want to know about it. Have fun learning about your gun.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:04 PM
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A cool thing to do is disassemble it and check all of the parts, any major part is stamped with the manufacturers mark.
You probably have a frankenstein gun like my Saginaw.
Saginaw receiver, Inland barrel, winchester bolt etc etc.
There is a lot of info including when it was made you can get from the serial number on the receiver.
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Tomm I'll disasemble it and check all the parts out, proud to have it in the safe though, keep up the fight against Obama lol had to throw that in there
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That's definitely a keeper.

Probably has a selet fire switch. Full auto capable. Nice.


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Tomm I'll disasemble it and check all the parts out, proud to have it in the safe though, keep up the fight against Obama lol had to throw that in there

a great weapon, and a wonderful family heirloom.
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That's awesome looking rifle, and the fact that it belonged to your vet grandpa means that it's worth far more than money. Unfortunately for my surplus collection my grandpa was too old for overseas deployment during WWII, and he spent it in the Army out in the Dakotas. When he died apparently some of my family members disposed of his firearms collection, so I'll never know what he owned.
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That's definitely a keeper.

Probably has a selet fire switch. Full auto capable.


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No, that would be an M2 Carbine.
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OP! Try to get more pics up when you get the chance.
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I was in the Air Force in the late 60's. I was issued an M16A1 overseas. Stateside at one of the bases I was assigned to, we were issued the M1 Carbine. The carbine felt good in my hands as opposed to the M16. We qualified on silhouette targets in various positions and I qualified expert!
I still like the Carbine over the M16!
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Here you go.

This will help a lot.

http://stevespages.com/pdf/m1_carbine.pdf
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I wish my grandfather had left me a M1, I am sure you miss your grandfather.

Only one thing left for you to do Marine, shoot it in his honor.
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You can find bandoleers of 30mm 6 round clips for it on gunbroker. Semper Fi
If you DO find some of that 30mm ammo, don't try to put it in your carbine, it won't fit.
If you would PM me a mailing address I would be honored to send a box of .30 caliber ammo that will fit. In honor of your service and your grandfather's service.
Do you have a 10-round magazine for it? If not, I'll send one of those along, too.
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No, that would be an M2 Carbine.
Looks like the stock is cut out for the select fire switch which would make it a post war M2 stock.

Great looking carbine. They are excellent guns for fun range plinking. The light weight and soft recoil make them a good choice for young shooters too.
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Any know how I can post multiple pics, seems I can only do 1
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You add the pic by clicking the little yellow square with the mountains and the moon in it. It will look like the links below. Hit enter after youve pasted your link into the pop up box and put a second pic a line down from the first.

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Each line is a different pic
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Almost all post-war Carbine stocks had the cut for the selective fire switch. Functionally, the only difference between the M1 and M2 carbine is the fire-control group. Assuming a stock with the cut, there is no reason the M2 fire-control group can't be installed on an M1. When the full-auto capability was installed, the gun was supposed have been made as or re-stamped to M2. However, while the only difference between the M1 and M2 receiver is the marking, any M1 marked receiver is a legal civilian gun so long as the fire control group isn't installed while any M2 marked receiver is an evil machine gun even if the FA fire-control group isn't installed.
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Gramps passed away awhile back, he served in ww2 and found this rifle, I don't plan on selling, never would, but does anyone got more info on these, worth about? I can't seem to post more than one pic or I'd put a detailed one of the bolt but all it says on it is U.S Carbine, Cal .30 m1, behind the rear sight it's stamped with Saginaw sg, thanks for looking
It's priceless and so's your story. Post a photo of your grampa too, he deserves our respect and admiration.

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The receiver's manufacturer will be under the rear sight


A lot of people saw the wrong end of this model. From WW2 to Modern day. It's one of the most prolific American weapons ever manufactured. With over 10 manufacturers and over 6.2 million manufactured and distributed to all over the world. Combined with it's pretty long service life. There are still regional military and police that still employ this model.

here's one protecting school children in Israel


And for you, this one that has personally safeguarded your family for 2 generations.
No one attacking children in this photo! I wonder if she's single...
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If you DO find some of that 30mm ammo, don't try to put it in your carbine, it won't fit.
If you would PM me a mailing address I would be honored to send a box of .30 caliber ammo that will fit. In honor of your service and your grandfather's service.
Do you have a 10-round magazine for it? If not, I'll send one of those along, too.
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If you DO find some of that 30mm ammo, don't try to put it in your carbine, it won't fit.
If you would PM me a mailing address I would be honored to send a box of .30 caliber ammo that will fit. In honor of your service and your grandfather's service.
Do you have a 10-round magazine for it? If not, I'll send one of those along, too.

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You can find bandoleers of 30mm 6 round clips for it on gunbroker. Semper Fi
A lot of good that will do seeing as how it's chambered for .30 carbine.

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It may be your Grandfather's Carbine but it probably isn't the one he carried in WWII. The rear sight, bayonet lug and "lever" safety all point to a weapon that went through an arsenal refurbishment / update after the war. Far more likely that he bought this one through the NRA/DCM program in the 1960s.
Not necessarily. They did a lot of refurbishment mid-war to put the "improved" parts on the earlier carbines.

OP, does the receiver say S'G'? If so, it's probably the most sought after manufacturer (pronounced S Prime G Prime).

Cripes, I drive near the Richmond range every day and I got lotsa ammo. I should try to find the time to get out there and meet up.
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I've never fired one, but most everyone who has tells me that pound for pound, the M1 Carbine really is one of the funnest guns they've ever encountered. IF prices come down a little, I too may be forced to get one.
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My qual hardware is the prize in my meager collection. Love it dearly. ammo on the other hand sweet sweet Jesus I pray daily to find some.
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I go out to twin sisters in Fairfield, it's private land in the mountains, $200 a year, best gun club/shooting you can do in the Bay Area, your free to shoot however you want, check em out on face book
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Sorry for your loss. That's a great reminder of him and a very cool gun to boot.
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Not necessarily. They did a lot of refurbishment mid-war to put the "improved" parts on the earlier carbines.

OP, does the receiver say S'G'? If so, it's probably the most sought after manufacturer (pronounced S Prime G Prime).

Cripes, I drive near the Richmond range every day and I got lotsa ammo. I should try to find the time to get out there and meet up.
Yup. After Irwin-Pedersen, the S'G' M1 is the least produced (Saginaw S'G' IS actually Irwin-Pedersen factory after Saginaw took it over due to poor production by I-P) ALL Saginaw S'G's are technically "Frankenstein" guns, as Saginaw didnt produce most of their own parts. Barrels are usually either Underwood or Inland and the rest could be just about anyone's guess in terms of parts. There was a war on, and they moved parts around to whichever factory needed them. The only good way to tell if the barrel is appropriate to the gun is to match production dates, rather than makers. There are tons of variations possible and even the generally accepted references are not infallible.

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