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Old 03-25-2013, 2:57 AM
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For home reloading is it really worth it to get a Dillon Super 1050 considering you are limited to 5kg of powder in your home at any one time? It seems like before your hour of reloading is even over you need to purchase more powder.
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Old 03-25-2013, 5:51 AM
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"Worth" is an interesting concept.
  • Current reloading machinery and tools owned?
  • Years of reloading? Doing this for Profit/business, family/friend co-op Machine or personal use only?
  • How much do you shoot daily/weekly/monthly/yearly?
  • How much time do you have to reload?
  • Do you feel you need to make <Insert $.$$> per hour when you reload or do you reload for the thrill/precision/craftsmanship part of it?
  • Are you a binge bulk buyer of reloading components? Lots of components to produce 500/1000/10,000/100,000 rounds?
  • What calibers, pistol or rifle will you be loading, 1/3/5/25+?

There are a lot of parameters when "worth" is used. Give us some more details and we will help you along.
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For home reloading is it really worth it to get a Dillon Super 1050 considering you are limited to 5kg of powder in your home at any one time? It seems like before your hour of reloading is even over you need to purchase more powder.
5kg = 11 pounds of powder.. that could easily be 15,000 rounds depending on what you're loading.. even if youre getting 1000 rounds an hour that would be a busy weekend.. id be more concerned about your mailman roughing you up because of the heavy packages of projectiles coming to your mailbox..

15000 180 grain projectiles would be ~385 pounds or 175 kg, just in bullet weight..

Even if youre a NY cop, and you only hit your target once every nine shots, thats a significant amount of shooting..

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Not covered by the same warranty as all the other presses as it is considered a commercial grade press.
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ummm question, where does it say we can only have 5kg of powder...?
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ummm question, where does it say we can only have 5kg of powder...?
Exactly, no where. If you live in a single detached house you can have as much powder as you want. If you live in an apartment or duplex then certain laws pertain but last time I read the law I believe it said you can have up to 20lbs of smokeless powder with no problems and up to 50lbs of smokeless powder in a wooden box 1" thick. Black powder in less quantities.

The only exceptions to this is if certain counties have stricter laws, but I've never seen or heard of one.
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... If you live in an apartment or duplex then certain laws pertain but last time I read the law I believe it said you can have up to 20lbs of smokeless powder with no problems and up to 50lbs of smokeless powder in a wooden box 1" thick. Black powder in less quantities..
More importantly, if you live in an apartment, don't buy a Dillon 1050. You will be far better served saving your money for a down payment on a house. These low interest rates will not last forever.

On whether a 1050 is worth it? The reloading industry is littered with companies that went out of business. It is very competitive out there. Companies like Lee, RCBS, Hornaday and Dillon all produce products that are "worth it", if they were not "worth it" they would be out of business, stat.

On whether a Dillon 1050 is the right choice for you? If you have to ask, I can say with a fair amount of certainty, it is not the right choice for you.
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its only good if you can get the components....otherwise there are some other better deals out there.
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Exactly, no where. If you live in a single detached house you can have as much powder as you want. If you live in an apartment or duplex then certain laws pertain but last time I read the law I believe it said you can have up to 20lbs of smokeless powder with no problems and up to 50lbs of smokeless powder in a wooden box 1" thick. Black powder in less quantities.

The only exceptions to this is if certain counties have stricter laws, but I've never seen or heard of one.

Can you cite to any law for the exception for storage of smokeless powder in a single detached house? I took a look at California Health and Safety Code sections 12101-12112 (specifically, section 12102), and I don't see such an exception. Trust me, I would love it if there was an exception for single detached houses, but I am unaware of it.
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I would question how many rounds you fire a month and how much time you want to spend reloading. For me it would not be worth it, I only shoot about 300 rifle rounds and the same in pistol. I have an old Star progressive with 3 heads for pistol and while it is slower than the Dillon, It does my 300 rounds in less than an hour.
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Can you cite to any law for the exception for storage of smokeless powder in a single detached house? I took a look at California Health and Safety Code sections 12101-12112 (specifically, section 12102), and I don't see such an exception. Trust me, I would love it if there was an exception for single detached houses, but I am unaware of it.
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12101-12112

12102. This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20
pounds or less of smokeless powder
, or one pound or less of black
sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small
arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or
small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in
the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery,
or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black
powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities
having jurisdiction for fire prevention and suppression in the area
of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.


Still kind of a nothingburger..
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Old 03-25-2013, 12:42 PM
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Can you cite to any law for the exception for storage of smokeless powder in a single detached house? I took a look at California Health and Safety Code sections 12101-12112 (specifically, section 12102), and I don't see such an exception. Trust me, I would love it if there was an exception for single detached houses, but I am unaware of it.
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Excerpt from the California Fire Code:

3306.4.1 Black powder and smokeless propellants. Propellants for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 pounds (9 kg) of black powder or 20 pounds (9 kg) of smokeless powder shall be stored in original containers in occupancies limited to Group R-3. Smokeless powder in quantities exceeding 20 pounds (9 kg) but not exceeding 50 pounds (23 kg) kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 inch (25 mm) nominal thickness shall be allowed to be stored in occupancies limited to Group R-3. Quantities exceeding these amounts shall not be stored in any Group R occupancy.

3306.4.2 Small arms primers. No more than 10,000 small arms primers shall be stored in occupancies limited to Group R-3.
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If you load 4000 rounds per month of one caliber, especially one that has a tendency to be a military once were crimped primer pockets are the norm, then yes.


It is nice to be able to sit down one day and crank out all the ammo you will need all month at once. Getting all the components together is a real PITA.
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Thanks for the legal info. My local fire department told me 5kg. More proof you should never automatically believe what a fireman says is legal. Now I know it is 20lbs. I am doing this for personal. I stocked up a LONG time ago pre obama and underestimated the obama panic. I kept thinking this hoarding will end next year, until here we are 4 years later. I have not purchased ammo in many years and am NOW getting low. I cannot find any of the good stuff.

So 1lb per 7,000 grains means out of 20lbs I can get:
1129rds of 124gr 9mm
608rds of 230gr 45acp
2545 of 55gr 223rem
833rds of 168gr 308win

I need at LEAST 4,000 rounds per month.

So my problem is still even getting enough reloading supplies to reload enough ammo. Seems everything firearms related is out of stock. I am considering the Dillon Super 1050, MEC9000GN, Hornady LnL, and Hornady 366.

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Old 03-25-2013, 7:44 PM
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I'd think that a loaded Dillon 650 would be more than adequate for your needs with the added advantage that you get the Dillon Warranty.
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I started in the world of progressives with a 550 and then went to 1050's. My kids were small back then and family time was my problem. With the 1050 I could do 300 rds in a snap and go to family functions. I have friends who are nothing, but hi-power rifle shooters. They all use a single stage press because they have no need for volume like I do (USPSA). They shoot in one match what I shoot in a single stage. In other words make sure you evaluate your shooting needs and other needs (like family time).

I still run several 1050's and a 550. I found the 550 to be very versatile. You might give some thought to getting two 550's (one set for small primer and the other for large primer). I have friends who do this and they pump out a pretty good amount of ammunition. Changing tool heads and the shell plate on a 550 is a snap. I have a friend who owns a 550, 650 and a 1050. He gave the 650 to his son-in-law and the 1050 sits in his garage. He only loads on the 550.

WARNING; A Super/regular 1050 can be a little touchy. It can be frustrating for someone not used to it. I've learned my 1050's inside and out so I'm comfortable with it, but it took a while. The primer system seems to give me the most problems (when there is one). My 1050's now run like a champ.

Good Luck!

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So 1lb per 7,000 grains means out of 20lbs I can get:
1129rds of 124gr 9mm
608rds of 230gr 45acp
2545 of 55gr 223rem
833rds of 168gr 308win
Check your math. Divide the total number of grains in 20 pounds by the number of grains of powder you will use for your load not the number of grains the bullet weighs. 20 lbs of powder will load you 35,000 rounds of 124 grain 9 mm with a 4.0 grain load not 1,129.
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Check your math. Divide the total number of grains in 20 pounds by the number of grains of powder you will use for your load not the number of grains the bullet weighs. 20 lbs of powder will load you 35,000 rounds of 124 grain 9 mm with a 4.0 grain load not 1,129.
Thanks I just found that out. I was TOTALLY OFF and just using bullet weight and NOT the proper grains for each load.
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I would also check with the local fire department as they are the dictators of how much powder one can have in any dwelling, doesn't matter what the State law says. I would advise checking with your insurance company as well as they could not pay out on a fire if they knew you had more than you are supposed to.
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I would also check with the local fire department as they are the dictators of how much powder one can have in any dwelling, doesn't matter what the State law says. I would advise checking with your insurance company as well as they could not pay out on a fire if they knew you had more than you are supposed to.

Firemen dont have any right to "inspect" private homes willy - nilly. After a fire, was it 5 pounds of powder, or fifty?.. the "evidence" will all be gone. I know we're talking about a nanny-state, but sheesh!
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"Firemen dont have any right to "inspect" private homes willy - nilly. After a fire, was it 5 pounds of powder, or fifty?.. the "evidence" will all be gone. I know we're talking about a nanny-state, but sheesh!"

I understand where you're coming from, I'm just saying that there is usually a fire ordinance that dictates how much powder, or anything flammable for that matter, should be stored at a residence.
Even the LGS have that same ordinance from the local fire department. Can they inspect, maybe, maybe not, but that doesn't mean that there is no ordinance.
Different municipalities have different ordinances. If you were to call your local Fire Marshall, I'm sure they would let you know if there is one.
It's kinda like parking on a residential street, there is an ordinance that sez you can't park for more than 72 hours in one spot. Is there a parking police or inspector for this, no, but if it were called in, there would be a citation written or possible towing. Same kinda thing for powder....
Nanny-state, sure. Just sayin'.
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The 1050 is harder to change dies out on, and costs quite a bit. It does have a swaging stage, which helps with mil-surp 5.56.

A 650 can do a lot of work, for less money starting with. You can upgrade it of course as time goes on. Starting with all the bells and whistle isn't that much cheaper than the 1050 though
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One can say the 1050 is a good investment if you wanted to start a brass processing service.
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If none of those suit your needs, then the 1050 is for you.
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The 1050 is worth it, but I went with the 650 as it is easier to change calibers and overall the setup costs are lower. The main advantage I see with the 1050 is the primer pocket swaging that is built it, it's a real time saver. The 1050 only has a one year warranty, and that is limited. You will need spare parts on hand, and you will not find many dealers who stock parts for it, not that its a big deal as you can order direct.
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The 1050 does only have a 1 year no BS warranty, but from what I hear and reading everyone's experience with them 1) they pretty much never break 2) Dillon will pretty much cover anything if they know your not a commercial shop.
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