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Found this article heartening as I've been working in the DC area and in talking with folks around the water cooler, more veterans are speaking up against gun control. In case you didn't know, the Governor-backed Maryland
AWB has already passed the State Senate but is bogged down in the House Committee. Part of the reason has been the voices of veterans, there are many of them here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...93f_story.html

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-gun-ownership

"Del. Kathleen M. Dumais (D-Montgomery), vice chairwoman of the House Judiciary Committee, is one of several from O’Malley’s party who have grown skeptical that a full ban is needed.

Dumais said that after 10 years in Annapolis hearing gun-control bills, she’s more accepting that there are rural parts of Maryland where gun ownership is a central part of life.

She said she was also swayed in part by the testimony of some of the more than 1,300 people who traveled to Annapolis this month to oppose the bill before her committee. Dozens, including some Olympic hopefuls, testified that their livelihoods in competitive shooting could be threatened. Many veterans said they viewed it as a right to own weapons like the ones they were trained to use."
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Found this article heartening as I've been working in the DC area and in talking with folks around the water cooler, more veterans are speaking up against gun control. In case you didn't know, the Governor-backed Maryland
AWB has already passed the State Senate but is bogged down in the House Committee. Part of the reason has been the voices of veterans, there are many of them here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...93f_story.html

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-gun-ownership

"Del. Kathleen M. Dumais (D-Montgomery), vice chairwoman of the House Judiciary Committee, is one of several from O’Malley’s party who have grown skeptical that a full ban is needed.

Dumais said that after 10 years in Annapolis hearing gun-control bills, she’s more accepting that there are rural parts of Maryland where gun ownership is a central part of life.

She said she was also swayed in part by the testimony of some of the more than 1,300 people who traveled to Annapolis this month to oppose the bill before her committee. Dozens, including some Olympic hopefuls, testified that their livelihoods in competitive shooting could be threatened. Many veterans said they viewed it as a right to own weapons like the ones they were trained to use."
BAM! Right there is where we need to open up a new front against the gun control movement.

Those EBRs are what millions of us have been trained to use since the mid 60s. Millions of veterans who's fundamental civil rights will be infringed upon because they can't own/use/possess the most common rifle of our time.

It will also give us common ground that millions of sideline gun owners can identify with. "They taught us to use it in basic training and now they want to ban them."

This. May. Be. Big.

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BAM! Right there is where we need to open up a new front against the gun control movement.

Those EBRs are what millions of us have been trained to use since the mid 60s. Millions of veterans who's fundamental civil rights will be infringed upon because they can't own/use/possess the most common rifle of our time.

It will also give us common ground that millions of sideline gun owners can identify with. "They taught us to use it in basic training and now they want to ban them."

This. May. Be. Big.

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BAM! Right there is where we need to open up a new front against the gun control movement.

Those EBRs are what millions of us have been trained to use since the mid 60s. Millions of veterans who's fundamental civil rights will be infringed upon because they can't own/use/possess the most common rifle of our time.

It will also give us common ground that millions of sideline gun owners can identify with. "They taught us to use it in basic training and now they want to ban them."

This. May. Be. Big.

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I don't know...seems that pro-control folks wants to ban "military style assault weapons", so why would they want vets to have the weapon they were trained with in the military?

It's my conception that the issues that are being argued now: sport shooting/hunting/self-defense and most importantly freedom are the correct arguments. But, I would like to hear more of your thoughts on why this may be huge.
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It's big cause the rifle is Universal! It is no longer military only, there is no exclusively; therefore it's both in common usage and there are lots of the population professionally trained in its use. Go Vets; destroy the liberals terminology.
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I don't know...seems that pro-control folks wants to ban "military style assault weapons", so why would they want vets to have the weapon they were trained with in the military?

It's my conception that the issues that are being argued now: sport shooting/hunting/self-defense and most importantly freedom are the correct arguments. But, I would like to hear more of your thoughts on why this may be huge.

I see a lot of veterans who are at a minimum mildly pro gun, but will never stand up and make themselves heard. If we can connect with them on a most basic of levels, we may very well be able to take a stand with us.

The VA's website shows that there are roughly 22 million veterans in the U.S. today. We need ways to connect to them and make them part of the family. I'm betting nearly 20 million of us have 1 thing in common:




It also happens to be the target of our enemies.

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BAM! Right there is where we need to open up a new front against the gun control movement.

Those EBRs are what millions of us have been trained to use since the mid 60s. Millions of veterans who's fundamental civil rights will be infringed upon because they can't own/use/possess the most common rifle of our time.

It will also give us common ground that millions of sideline gun owners can identify with.
I like to use the "safety" and "training" arguments for the AR. Veterans and many LEOs have bee trained in the safe use of a rifle based on the AR platform. This makes it easy for them to use the AR family of rifles safely and effectively. It also allows them to easily teach their families and friends about safe handling and use of these rifles.

In an emergency situation, such as an home invasion, the veteran with an AR can fall back on years of military training in safe and effective use of the rifle to defend their self and their family.

Since a lot of people express concern about the safety and the level of training firearms owners receive, the AR platform should be the one that has the most support.
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I'm pro-gun and I never touched a firearm in the military. The only weapons systems I got to physically touch was a CIWS, a RIM-116 RAM launcher, and a RIM-7 Sea Sparrow launcher.
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I'm pro-gun and I never touched a firearm in the military. The only weapons systems I got to physically touch was a CIWS, a RIM-116 RAM launcher, and a RIM-7 Sea Sparrow launcher.
That sucks! I was an Airdale and still got some time on a M-2, 249, multpile M-16's, shotguns, 1911's and M-9's maybe not as much as the Corps and Army. I'd re-up if I were you, I think you got cheated!
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I see a lot of veterans who are at a minimum mildly pro gun, but will never stand up and make themselves heard. If we can connect with them on a most basic of levels, we may very well be able to take a stand with us.

The VA's website shows that there are roughly 22 million veterans in the U.S. today. We need ways to connect to them and make them part of the family. I'm betting nearly 20 million of us have 1 thing in common:

[IMG]http://www.military-today.com/firearms/m16.jpg[/IMG


It also happens to be the target of our enemies.

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I like to use the "safety" and "training" arguments for the AR. Veterans and many LEOs have bee trained in the safe use of a rifle based on the AR platform. This makes it easy for them to use the AR family of rifles safely and effectively. It also allows them to easily teach their families and friends about safe handling and use of these rifles.

In an emergency situation, such as an home invasion, the veteran with an AR can fall back on years of military training in safe and effective use of the rifle to defend their self and their family.

Since a lot of people express concern about the safety and the level of training firearms owners receive, the AR platform should be the one that has the most support.

Okay, both of those make a lot of sense. Getting them involved would be great. Now, how to go about doing it? An ad campaign of some sort? Maybe pooling some resources and advertising with some banner ads on some forums that cater to US veterans?

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I saw a statistic that 12% of US are veterans. That's a large number and if it's true (I didn't check it) that's a huge number of potential allies in this fight.

I hope this report is true.
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Only bad part of playing that veteran card is the shootings were they claim that the vet was suffering from PTSD. That was what shut us vets out of getting an exclusivity amendment clause during the senate judiciary meeting, and another thing about that one is PTSD can affect Cops too! but they always seem to forget that part when it comes to retired police.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/158729/me...-veterans.aspx

Percentage is about 13% veterans.

The thing that worries me is people don't trust us. Bad press is one thing that is consistent with veterans. If one goes off the deep end then all veterans are time bombs waiting to go off.

There is more prejudice about veterans than any other minority in the United States.
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Percentage is about 13% veterans.

The thing that worries me is people don't trust us. Bad press is one thing that is consistent with veterans. If one goes off the deep end then all veterans are time bombs waiting to go off.

There is more prejudice about veterans than any other minority in the United States.
This must be one of the most un-American thing for anyone to do. Veterans should be held in special honor among all Americans. Any who mistrust and are prejudice towards veterans should spend 1 day in "harm's way" and see how much a veteran had to go thru....

Shame on anyone who doesn't honor the men and women who have, and continue, to defend America and The Constitution...
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Only bad part of playing that veteran card is the shootings were they claim that the vet was suffering from PTSD. That was what shut us vets out of getting an exclusivity amendment clause during the senate judiciary meeting, and another thing about that one is PTSD can affect Cops too! but they always seem to forget that part when it comes to retired police.
I didn't spend 26 years in so we could have different classes in America with different rights, even if I benefit. The LEO exemptions in many of these laws are bad enough, let's not further divide the remaining gun rights supporters. Besides, all us vets are just future domestic terrorists anyway...
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Man I need to become current. Last I knew, Airdale was a dog breed of the Terrier kind. I have no idea what that means.
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Maybe we should just ask. ..a US Marine, in his dress uniform, holding at order arms, his m16/m4... and the text reads "What is our government more scared of, the man, or his rifle? "... or whatever. ..
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Found it interesting that of all things, it was the veterans having an effect on the legislation. Not Heller, McDonald, the NRA's money or political clout...hmm.
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Man I need to become current. Last I knew, Airdale was a dog breed of the Terrier kind. I have no idea what that means.
Airdales= bb stackers, nose pickers, pilot poppers, tweaks, and trons.
not to be confused with black shoes which were a bunch of deck apes, swab jockeys, bilge snipes and pecker checkers.
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Maybe we should just ask. ..a US Marine, in his dress uniform, holding at order arms, his m16/m4... and the text reads "What is our government more scared of, the man, or his rifle? "... or whatever. ..

^^ I like ^^

In answer to a post above, I don't believe that anyone is suggestings preferred/special treatment for veterans in regards to firearms ownership, but rather, making a connection on a personal level with veterans to swing them into action on our side.

Theseus: If I may, expanding upon your idea, perhaps 2 photos dated a month apart with the same Marine in uniform and then in street clothes after ETS'ing. Perhaps to kinda help make the connection to veteran status?

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Only bad part of playing that veteran card is the shootings were they claim that the vet was suffering from PTSD. That was what shut us vets out of getting an exclusivity amendment clause during the senate judiciary meeting, and another thing about that one is PTSD can affect Cops too! but they always seem to forget that part when it comes to retired police.

I would like to see concrete numbers comparing "snapped" in the civilian population compared to veteran population.

Additionally, we can retort to any 'crazy veteran' talk with '...so you agree, we should be taking better care of our veterans...'

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I would like to see concrete numbers comparing "snapped" in the civilian population compared to veteran population.

Additionally, we can retort to any 'crazy veteran' talk with '...so you agree, we should be taking better care of our veterans...'

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That sucks! I was an Airdale and still got some time on a M-2, 249, multpile M-16's, shotguns, 1911's and M-9's maybe not as much as the Corps and Army. I'd re-up if I were you, I think you got cheated!
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