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I am not a Democrat so I have no horse in this race, but when you say the Democrats have screwed this state completely up... I am wondering what you are referring to. California is the wealthiest state in the USA. If California were a country it would be about the 4th richest country on earth
Wrong. Today California comes in 8th. Back in the 80's, it was 5th. So, the Democrats have been dragging down California with its taxes, fees, regulations and nonexistent illegal immigration enforcement.

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I believe the reason most "Californians" favor tighter gun control or an all out ban is because most don't own guns. I'm sure party lines have some influence, but it's a lot easier to "give up" something when you don't use it or care for it. As in 26% vs 36% of households owning guns in California compared to the nation, respectively.

So I feel an important initial step would be to change the culture and the mind-set of next generation. Namely, that guns are not inherently evil in themselves. That shooting sports are fun and being to challenge yourself to shoot tighter groups and whatnot.

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I questioning the OP's motive.
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Translation: minorities control California, they don't like guns
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Tons of minorities out there with guns, they don't 'control' CA either the public employee unions do which is our biggest problem. It's not much different than the late 1800s/early 1900s 'Trusts' that owned the political process until TR broke them.
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I questioning the OP's motive.
There you go again....

Posting an article from the paper that most here would not have seen otherwise? Yeah, a lotta hidden agenda there.
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There you go again....

Posting an article from the paper that most here would not have seen otherwise? Yeah, a lotta hidden agenda there.
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Why do people continue to say minorities hate guns. I'm a minority and I have a safe full of guns.
Bingo.

I've met many Asians, Hispanics, African and Native Americans that own guns.

If you all remember the L.A. riots of '92, lotsa Korean storeowners stood guard with guns. Last I checked, Koreans are Asians.
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Were are they taking these polls? BTW Im hispanic and I love guns so does my dad and my brother we are all gun owners.
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There you go again....

Posting an article from the paper that most here would not have seen otherwise? Yeah, a lotta hidden agenda there.
They're your boys Doheny. The ones you and your union support.

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2nd amendment rights are not determined by a poll.
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How does one's iTrader stats identify an individual as a gun owner or not....
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2nd amendment rights are not determined by a poll.
Tell that to the besieged gun owners in New York State.
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Contrast that poll with this nation wide poll. Attitudes in California simply reflect the success of the media and educrat's all out war on gun ownership over the law few decades. We're winning the culture war within the nation as a whole but as long as the lefty media and Progressive educrats dominate thinking with the 3-4 of the largest population centers we face an uphill battle.

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How does one's iTrader stats identify an individual as a gun owner or not....
It doesn't. That's why I said in my opinion...
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Is it so hard to believe that the average Joe Sixpack in California supports outright prohibition?

Sadly, average joe now wheres skinny jeans, drinks martinis, looks like he could be a homosexual, and voted for DOO DOO BROWN
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Why get worked up over a poll? Accurate or not, if they put it to a popular vote we'd probably lose most of our gun rights. So what? Were you deluded and thought that most Californians care about gun rights? That's why CGF and SAF aren't pouring money into lobbying but into litigating.
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On this very "RKBA ACTIVIST" website, the one with "GUNS" in the title, a random poll on Federal BG Checks was 50/50 for and against. Remember, this website is the nexus for California gun owners to argue against infringement.

Is it so hard to believe that the average Joe Sixpack in California supports outright prohibition?
The results of the Calguns.net poll still blows me away. HOW IN HELL can anyone logically post their support for less gun laws AND THEN come out in favor of universal background checks for all...including those of us who do just find without it now.


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I believe the reason most "Californians" favor tighter gun control or an all out ban is because most don't own guns. I'm sure party lines have some influence, but it's a lot easier to "give up" something when you don't use it or care for it. As in 26% vs 36% of households owning guns in California compared to the nation, respectively.

So I feel an important initial step would be to change the culture and the mind-set of next generation. Namely, that guns are not inherently evil in themselves. That shooting sports are fun and being to challenge yourself to shoot tighter groups and whatnot.
After 10 or so years it doesn't appear that half of Calgunners polled have had their culture and / or their mind-sets (what traces might be there) changed.


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Contrast that poll with this nation wide poll. Attitudes in California simply reflect the success of the media and educrat's all out war on gun ownership over the law few decades. We're winning the culture war within the nation as a whole but as long as the lefty media and Progressive educrats dominate thinking with the 3-4 of the largest population centers we face an uphill battle.
You don't even realize how steep that uphill is until gun owners favor background checks for the entire country.

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Tell that to the besieged gun owners in New York State.
It's going to have to be challenged in court.
As we will likely have to here.
Doesn't matter what the polls say.
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I NEVER got interviewed or polled!! WTF
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I'm glad they approved my comment. Just a drop in the bucket, but at least there are other opinions being put forth that maybe someone will read and take into consideration.
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2nd amendment rights are not determined by a poll.
EXACTLY.

Further, rights are not determined by a leftist rag like the L.A. Times who overtly and actively engages in extremist propaganda to usurp not only the Second Amendment and the Constitution but the laws of the state of California, the County of Los Angeles, and various surrounding municipalities of L.A.

Personally, I'd like to see them shut down.

Maybe there should be a poll on that?
Do you believe the L.A. Times reports balanced news?

Do you believe the L.A. Times should curl up in a ditch and die?

Do you believe the L.A. Times is a leftist vehicle to promote leftist propaganda and back leftist policies in the state?
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2nd amendment rights are not determined by a poll.
No, but public opinion is.

The sheeple need to be told how to vote so they can believe their thoughts are consistent with everyone elses...
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I haven't heard anyone around where I live agree with all these stricter gun laws being a good thing. These polls are mostly taken from where? I have never been asked about a poll, is that because I'm at work?
I think so I too have never been polled no one that I know personally has been and what right do they anti-gun ppl think they have trying to take my rights away I have committed no crimes therefore I should not be punished. What can we do as gun owner do and I'm not one to just tuck tail and run but its seeming like what will have to be done to servive and not go to prison
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I am not a Democrat so I have no horse in this race, but when you say the Democrats have screwed this state completely up... I am wondering what you are referring to. California is the wealthiest state in the USA. If California were a country it would be about the 4th richest country on earth, and this in spite of the fact that California pays much more in federal taxes than it receives back from the federal govt. As a country California would not have any federal taxes and so it would be even wealthier.

It is interesting to note that many of the states that whine the most about federal taxes, actually receive more from the federal govt. than they pay in federal taxes. But in any case one could argue that California is the most successful state in America. California has had a huge influx of people from other states because it is such a desirable state to live in. California is also the number one tourist destination in America, so if it is so f'd up why is it so wealthy and popular?

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What's a minority nowadays? because I haven't seen a white person in a few weeks.
Spit coffee on my monitor when I read that LMAO. I'm 60 years old and white and live in Los Angeles and I'm not rich. I think there is a bounty on guys like me now.
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Sadly, average joe now wheres skinny jeans, drinks martinis, looks like he could be a homosexual, and voted for DOO DOO BROWN
Not sure if that stereotype fits as to what a homosexual looks like. The skinny jeans fad you will see a lot on a college campus. As far as martinis go....well, that sounds like what the upscale crowd is more likely to drink and......James Bond.
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Dan Schnur: "In the United States of America, that assault weapon ban can't pass. In California, it would pass overwhelmingly".

There you have it. When it comes to guns there is the United States of America, and there is California.
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I am not a Democrat so I have no horse in this race, but when you say the Democrats have screwed this state completely up... I am wondering what you are referring to. California is the wealthiest state in the USA. If California were a country it would be about the 4th richest country on earth, and this in spite of the fact that California pays much more in federal taxes than it receives back from the federal govt. As a country California would not have any federal taxes and so it would be even wealthier.

It is interesting to note that many of the states that whine the most about federal taxes, actually receive more from the federal govt. than they pay in federal taxes. But in any case one could argue that California is the most successful state in America. California has had a huge influx of people from other states because it is such a desirable state to live in. California is also the number one tourist destination in America, so if it is so f'd up why is it so wealthy and popular?
Absolutely true - and few GOP people even remotely understand that their Red states are on 'general welfare' paid for by the creator/producer class in California.

Yep, WTF was ever invented in Kansas or Wyoming?

CA's state burden is stupid. But we far pay more (outgoing) than any incoming Fed benefits and are productive "in spite of ourselves".
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They're your boys Doheny. The ones you and your union support.

You very well may be a gun owner (my opinion is you are not, but that's only based on your ZERO iTrader history), but day in and day out you support these assclowns. Your payback for doing so must be better than your right to own firearms. If it wasn't YOU wouldn't be supporting them with your money.
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How does one's iTrader stats identify an individual as a gun owner or not....
I was thinking the same thing. I thought iTrader was...what the hell is iTrader anyway ?

Doheny may be a lot of things, but I don't think it's fair to judge him according to his iTrader rating.
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No, but public opinion is.

The sheeple need to be told how to vote so they can believe their thoughts are consistent with everyone elses...
Four boxes rule applies.
Soap, ballot, jury, ammo.

Safe to say we have failed at the Cali ballot box,
which means the soap box didn't work so well, but we must keep on that. We are appoaching the jury box stage.

I guess the first three are all in play at the same time these days.
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Something to consider regarding the Hispanic influence on gun issues: The Hispanic population, specifically the ones who were not born or maybe even raised here, did so in a country that prohibits firearm ownership by citizens-it's a way of life for them there that ironically still sees common citizens victimized by gun toting criminals and corrupt police officers. Once migrating here they would probably still harbor that same indoctrinated belief, still remembering that "guns are no bueno" as it was for them in their native country.

As for the rest of CA's population, there is no shortage of gun enthusiasts; none of us have to be reminded about the bare gun store shelves or the many threads here about where to find 'ammo at Wal*Mart. The problem is unity and initiative. I've met quite a few self-proclaimed avid shooters that aren't a member of the NRA, don't know about or participate in Calguns or any other pro-2A organization. As long as these people "got theirs" they don't think about doing anything else outside of that, for gun owners as a group...
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Don't these individuals of CA know we ALREADY have one, if not THE stricktest background process? We already check for the mental health issues in ownership/DROS....as they state that's what the poll was about.

Even the local radio is discussing this poll and they say "tighter background checks."

I guess that means when we buy a gun now, they will ask we have to s*** in a cup and pee in a dish....Or is it the other way around?
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tides change I guess...

75% against
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Is it just me or does that dude look like he's on the same drugs as Lanza and Holmes? He looks all wild eyed, like he's out of his mind. Doesn't look natural to me.
Can't judge a book by its cover but he JDLR.
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Absolutely true - and few GOP people even remotely understand that their Red states are on 'general welfare' paid for by the creator/producer class in California.

Yep, WTF was ever invented in Kansas or Wyoming?

CA's state burden is stupid. But we far pay more (outgoing) than any incoming Fed benefits and are productive "in spite of ourselves".
Except that whole "general welfare" includes things like military bases and National Parks, things the Feds are supposed to be paying for.
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I am not a Democrat so I have no horse in this race, but when you say the Democrats have screwed this state completely up... I am wondering what you are referring to. California is the wealthiest state in the USA. If California were a country it would be about the 4th richest country on earth, and this in spite of the fact that California pays much more in federal taxes than it receives back from the federal govt. As a country California would not have any federal taxes and so it would be even wealthier.

It is interesting to note that many of the states that whine the most about federal taxes, actually receive more from the federal govt. than they pay in federal taxes. But in any case one could argue that California is the most successful state in America. California has had a huge influx of people from other states because it is such a desirable state to live in. California is also the number one tourist destination in America, so if it is so f'd up why is it so wealthy and popular?
If CA were a country, it would be about 9th place measured by GNP and India is closing in fast on CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_product

The climate & scenery make it so popular, along with the history of CA.....I might also add the liberal politics is likely to attract those from other more conservative states hoping to find/help create a Liberal Utopia

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