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Old 03-21-2013, 3:31 PM
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So if my gun is now a RAW, can I take my F*^%#ing bullet button off and use 30 round mags?
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Infuriating. Tyranny and there is no other word for it.
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I am 80% sure that the bunch of you would like this bill to be stripped featureless so it complies with your ideas of the Second Amendment. What does BITFO mean. Our legal people are on this. A2
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They did it before with previous bans.
Things are different now.
This battle has evolved to a much broader one then before because far more people
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Subbed. Let's hope this doesn't pass!
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Soooo.....reading this, it looks like my grandpa's old Remington 740 that I put a thumbhole stock on, would be an "assault weapon"???? Seriously???? WTF? The thing's got a 4 round mag for Christ sake!!
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Where do we begin to voice outrage over this?
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What does this need to pass? A simple majority vote?
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Old 03-21-2013, 4:30 PM
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Well the rifle I register will have "Leland Yee is a cock-sucker." engraved on it to be logged as an identifying mark.
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Well the rifle I register will have "Leland Yee is a cock-sucker." engraved on it to be logged as an identifying mark.
That would be an insult to cock-suckers everywhere.
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That would be extremely small consolation.
IIRC Getting rid of bullet-buttons was what we were all hoping to gain from registration back in 2006
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We need to step up like NY!

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IIRC Getting rid of bullet-buttons was what we were all hoping to gain from registration back in 2006
Not all of us.
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I am really getting sick and tired of these *** clowns aka "Politicians". They love to make things more confusing with more government restrictions/control. Isn't the national debt and high unemployment a more pressing concern?
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Well the rifle I register will have "Leland Yee is a cock-sucker." engraved on it to be logged as an identifying mark.
HEY NOW - don't leave Steinberg out!
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Old 03-21-2013, 5:22 PM
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"(2) Existing law requires that any person who, within this state, possesses an assault weapon, except as otherwise provided, be punished as a felony or for a period not to exceed one year, in a county jail "

This makes no sense unless they mean it as a wobbler. A period not to exceed one year in county jail is a misdemeanor offense. And the grammar is terrible too...
You have forgotten about the impact of AB109. Some felony punishments of more than a year can now be served at the county jail. Since conviction under this proposed statute is a non-violent type of crime the person convicted might very well serve the time in county jail.
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Old 03-21-2013, 5:24 PM
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AB109 stands for "abomination" 109. Thanks Governor Moonbeam and Merced Sheriff Paizin for pushing that one through.

Now there's felony prison wobblers, felony jail wobblers, misdemeanors and infractions. All because Sacramento didn't have the intelligence to run a prison system. BTW - Jerry is looking into the efficiency of AB109 to see if its helped or hurt. Maybe he'll pay millions of our tax dollars for a "study."
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well nobody needs more than 1 gun so it is completely reasonable to charge whatever they want. only an unreasonable person would own more than 1 "assault weapon".
Here is why you may need more than 1 gun.
A pistol for home protection another pistol for range purposes.
A shotgun for hunting another one for range and another for home protection.
Semi-auto long guns in 5.56 for range and another one for home protection.
Semi-auto long gun in 7.62 for target shooting purposes and another one for home protection.
AK semi-auto rifle for range and another one for home protection.

It would be unreasonable not to have more than one semi-auto rifle because things happen where maniacs like C. Dorner invade people's homes and these maniacs don't carry just one pistol they have an arsenal.
So if you as a "reasonable" person have just one gun and that gun jams, what are you going to do????

I myself, rather be judged by 12 than carried by six.
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Old 03-21-2013, 5:27 PM
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Don't forget that a firearm purchased with community property funds belongs to BOTH husband and wife.

If you so choose, both can register the firearm in bothnames so it can stay in the family longer.
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wait a minute a BB gun is by the current defintion a fixed mag gun so a BB gun is exempt cause it is NOT a fixed magazine gun.
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nope, they are trying to make a name for themselves, maybe running for governor or congress or whatever some day...
Absolutely agree with you. It's like let me see what I can do to put on my resume so one day I can say, "hey you know that gun bill in cali? I was one of the authors" so let me get one of the capital hill promotions.

And this happened at a city level as well in city of Glendale. They are banning gun shows on city property without any supported facts or incidents. Their best argument is it is a liability for the city, "we want to prevent legal exposure."
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Is this the same bill from last year to outlaw BB firearms and make everyone register them? If this passes they want $35 per rifle for registration? Don't DeLeon an Yee have anything better to do?!?
What could possibly be better than stomping the Constitution before using it for toilet paper?
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Don't forget that a firearm purchased with community property funds belongs to BOTH husband and wife.

If you so choose, both can register the firearm in bothnames so it can stay in the family longer.
good point man!
Clever! but lets just stop here not to give them any ideas to amend the bill.
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AB109 stands for "abomination" 109. Thanks Governor Moonbeam and Merced Sheriff Paizin for pushing that one through.

Now there's felony prison wobblers, felony jail wobblers, misdemeanors and infractions. All because Sacramento didn't have the intelligence to run a prison system. BTW - Jerry is looking into the efficiency of AB109 to see if its helped or hurt. Maybe he'll pay millions of our tax dollars for a "study."
No, he'll end up paying millions of our tax dollars to unsuccessfully fight the injunction that will be filed by CGF as soon as the law is signed.
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The wording has gotten better since SB249. Looks like someone is giving Yee pointers (hopefully they aren't gleaning info from this site.) Overall, what a bunch of bull****e.
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What has to be asked is why these group of guns need to be registered? These guns are available and legal to own in the surrounding states. Without doubt our constitutional rights are being infringed upon by those who have sworn to uphold them.
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wait a minute a BB gun is by the current defintion a fixed mag gun so a BB gun is exempt cause it is NOT a fixed magazine gun.
I think I read some where in the proposed bill that a fixed magazine mean you can not take out the magazine unless you break open the action of said gun.

Could be wrong, I just mostly skimmed it.

And lastly, my biggest question is that what happens once the firearm is registered? Can I take off the BB since it's an "assult weapon" now or has to stay in current configuration?
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I think I read some where in the proposed bill that a fixed magazine mean you can not take out the magazine unless you break open the action of said gun.

Could be wrong, I just mostly skimmed it.

And lastly, my biggest question is that what happens once the firearm is registered? Can I take off the BB since it's an "assult weapon" now or has to stay in current configuration?
Their main focus is to redefine what's an "assault weapon." So they are eliminating the semi-auto rifles with BB, thus assuming (god forbid) the bill passes as it's amended, then after 12/31/13 one would not be able to lawfully acquire a semi-auto rifles (the ones that we could legally buy now that have the BB). Prior 12/31 acquired rifles must stay in their legal configurations and be registered by 7/14.
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Would this apply to featureless rifles?
Same question. Anyone know?
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Notice they removed "actual processing costs" and replaced it with "reasonable processing costs". If that isn't telling, I don't know what is.
Have you noticed that every anti-gun law is now always described as 'reasonable' or 'common sense'? Because in the viewpoint of these liberals if you're against these laws you must be unreasonable or not possess any common sense, right?
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Prior 12/31 acquired rifles must stay in their legal configurations and be registered by 7/14.


Does that mean in "current" configuration? i.e. with BB?
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This is genuinely scaring the crap out of me.

What is the chance of this being signed? And if signed, if someone doesn't want to be labeled as a felon, how could they comply with the newly signed law without being out thousands of dollars?
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And of course this does zero to stop criminals or keep anyone safer.
My thoughts exactly. What the heck are they (arse hats) thinking?
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And lastly, my biggest question is that what happens once the firearm is registered? Can I take off the BB since it's an "assult weapon" now or has to stay in current configuration?
As I read the bill currently, I think that would follow. However, I could have sworn one of those other jokers also had a bill that would have required the magazines on all semi-auto rifles to be truely fixed whether registered or not. I went back to try to find it but can't seem to now. Maybe I'm mistaken or they just merged or otherwise ammended the bill. It's next to impossible to keep this crap straight.

What does seem clear, though, is that if this passes, after July 1st, 2014, any new semi-auto sold in Ca will not only have to be featurless, but will have to have a truely fixed magazine of 10 or less round capacity. I'm not sure such an animal even currently exists.
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As I read the bill currently, I think that would follow. However, I could have sworn one of those other jokers also had a bill that would have required the magazines on all semi-auto rifles to be truely fixed whether registered or not. I went back to try to find it but can't seem to now. Maybe I'm mistaken or they just merged or otherwise ammended the bill. It's next to impossible to keep this crap straight.

What does seem clear, though, is that if this passes, after July 1st, 2014, any new semi-auto sold in Ca will not only have to be featurless, but will have to have a truely fixed magazine of 10 or less round capacity. I'm not sure such an animal even currently exists.
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