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Old 03-17-2013, 4:43 PM
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Dear All - I purchased a long arm a long long time ago. It came with a CA approved locking device. Now I am doing a PPT of that arm, to another. Apparently the approved locking device that came with that arm when first purchased is no longer sufficient, because it is more than 30 days old. CA law requires an "original receipt" that is < 30 days old to accompany an existing CA approved safety device. WHAT EXACTLY DOES "ORIGINAL RECEIPT" MEAN? Can I sell the buyer the locking device separately, provide him with a receipt (like a Craigslist deal) and then "voila" the purchaser now meets the requirements of the law? Or no, because "original" has some special legal meaning to it?
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Old 03-17-2013, 4:49 PM
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The buyer is responsible for the lock not seller. Give him a receipt for lock separate. It probably won't work. Or go to store buy a lock and return after transaction. Since it is a long gun if he has a gun safe then he just has to sign affidavit of ownership of approved gunsafe.
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Old 03-17-2013, 4:52 PM
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The buyer need to buy a new lock. My last gun buy I stopped by Walmart and got one for 5.00+ and was good to go.
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Old 03-17-2013, 4:56 PM
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Ask your local police station if they give tham away and ask for a reciept.
CHP sometimes has them. I asked for a bunch of them a few years ago and they gave them to me.
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Old 03-17-2013, 5:19 PM
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I just go to walmart and rent them for a day. Just return it after you're done. I heard that the sheriff will give them to you, but the person giving it to you needs to sign a business card and date it.
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Old 03-17-2013, 7:29 PM
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I always have my wife sell me one for $1 with a receipt that is dated, no problems yet.
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I always have my wife sell me one for $1 with a receipt that is dated, no problems yet.
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Old 03-17-2013, 8:16 PM
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Dear All - I purchased a long arm a long long time ago. It came with a CA approved locking device. Now I am doing a PPT of that arm, to another. Apparently the approved locking device that came with that arm when first purchased is no longer sufficient, because it is more than 30 days old. CA law requires an "original receipt" that is < 30 days old to accompany an existing CA approved safety device. WHAT EXACTLY DOES "ORIGINAL RECEIPT" MEAN? Can I sell the buyer the locking device separately, provide him with a receipt (like a Craigslist deal) and then "voila" the purchaser now meets the requirements of the law? Or no, because "original" has some special legal meaning to it?
There has to be a safety device provided whenever a firearm is transferred by a dealer. For a PPT, the safety device can be provided by the seller at the time the firearm is given to the dealer, or the buyer can supply it at pick up. If the buyer supplies the safety device, there also has to be evidence that the safety device was purchased within the last 30 days.

There is no date requirement for a safety device provided by the seller at the time of transfer.
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Old 03-17-2013, 8:23 PM
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My last ppt transfer I had to buy a lock. The place didn't care that I brought in a new one. So just spend the $10 for a lock. Keep your receipt and return it later. I already had a lock so that is why I returned the one I bought. If you don't have a lock you might want to keep it.
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When I purchased my handgun last month from my LGS they said I either had to provide a lock with receipt or purchase one. I ended up buying one from them. Is that right? I would have thought since I was buying a brand new gun from them it would come with a lock.
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I always have my wife sell me one for $1 with a receipt that is dated, no problems yet.
how does that work? does she own a store or are you just printing a receipt from home?
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buy one at Wallyworld and then after transfer take it back...
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how does that work? does she own a store or are you just printing a receipt from home?
a hand written receipt is still a receipt
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Old 03-17-2013, 9:12 PM
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put your old lock on the firearm when you do the PPT. It will be sufficient if you are providing the lock with the firearm to the buyer. Do NOT give the lock to the buyer and expect him to be able to legally use it when he/she returns 10 days later. Ask me how I know....(eyes rolling).
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Old 03-17-2013, 9:58 PM
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CA law requires an "original receipt" that is < 30 days old to accompany an existing CA approved safety device.
Unless things changed while I wasn't looking, "original" either doesn't appear in the law or doesn't mean what you think it means. A handwritten receipt for $1 with a date on it is sufficient. I did this with a dealer one time, and he called the DOJ to make sure it was ok.
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Here is how I handle locks. Of course not all dealers agree.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=254024
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