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Old 03-02-2013, 7:17 AM
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I have two rimfire rifles from our auction that were won by a CA resident. One is a Winchester model 1903 in .22 Auto the other a Winchester model 1906 in .22 LR. Both hold more than 10 rounds. Both are well over 50 years old and both are on the ATF official C&R list. Are they still legal in CA even though they both hold over 10? I'm a bit fuzzy on the capacity laws there.

If they are legal and going to a C&R holder (I have not be contacted by the buyer yet) do I have to go through the CADOJ and get a CL number from the licensee?

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Old 03-02-2013, 7:32 AM
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i believe the tube feeding exempts them ...but i would wait to hear from a more experience gunner i n here
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I had thought that this was only for detachable magazines.
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i believe the tube feeding exempts them ...but i would wait to hear from a more experience gunner i n here
You are correct Sir.

OP feel free to sell them to me and me only!
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I have two rimfire rifles from our auction that were won by a CA resident. One is a Winchester model 1903 in .22 Auto the other a Winchester model 1906 in .22 LR. Both hold more than 10 rounds. Both are well over 50 years old and both are on the ATF official C&R list. Are they still legal in CA even though they both hold over 10? I'm a bit fuzzy on the capacity laws there.
16740. As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.



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If they are legal and going to a C&R holder (I have not be contacted by the buyer yet) do I have to go through the CADOJ and get a CL number from the licensee?

Thanks,
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if you are an FFL and are shipping to a CA FFL, you must get the CFLC number, except if shipping to an 03 or 06 FFL. In that case, you do not need to get a CFLC approval. http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs#4

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Are any California FFLs exempt from the CFLC verification approval requirement?
Yes. The CFLC program does not apply to FFLs with Type 03 (curio and relic collectors) and Type 06 (ammunition dealers) licenses.
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If they are legal and going to a C&R holder (I have not be contacted by the buyer yet) do I have to go through the CADOJ and get a CL number from the licensee?

Thanks,
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Tube fed .22s are exempt, and no you don't need anything from cadoj, just the buyers 03ffl.

Brawndo beat me to it. and with a better explaination.
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What has been said above is correct.

Only thing I'd like to add is to Thank You CelticArmory for being willing to find/learn the CA laws and ship here, where many others will just plain out refuse.
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Thanks guys, especially Jack for quoting regs. It's going to an 01 and they sent their FFL with CAFL number the auction company. He meant to forward it to me but didn't include it.

What documentation is required to go with shipment?
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What has been said above is correct.

Only thing I'd like to add is to Thank You CelticArmory for being willing to find/learn the CA laws and ship here, where many others will just plain out refuse.
I very rarely get a request to ship to CA and found the extra steps a pain for one or two shipments in five years. Our auction is getting bigger and last month was our biggest with over 40 firearms. I hate the extra B.S. and you folks really need to change your politicians more often. Some might say as often as your underwear but some people only change them when they get dirty.
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I very rarely get a request to ship to CA and found the extra steps a pain for one or two shipments in five years. Our auction is getting bigger and last month was our biggest with over 40 firearms. I hate the extra B.S. and you folks really need to change your politicians more often. Some might say as often as your underwear but some people only change them when they get dirty.
Well sir, we'd like to, but the inmates are running the asylum here. We're outnumbered, a recent poll showed more than 60% of CA residents supported stronger gun control laws, and were less concerned with their impact on the Second Amendment. We fight in the courts, we win some and we lose some, but we continue to fight.

Thanks again for selling to CA. We do appreciate it, and we support those that support us.
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One more silly question. Ammo - does it have to go to a dealer or can it be shipped to a residence. Four boxes of 50 .22 Win Automatic.
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No restrictions shipping ammo directly to residences....yet.

Except for .50 cal ammo is banned statewide.
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One more silly question. Ammo - does it have to go to a dealer or can it be shipped to a residence. Four boxes of 50 .22 Win Automatic.
It depends on the county.
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No restrictions shipping ammo directly to residences....yet.

Except for .50 cal ammo is banned statewide.
Really?
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Except for .50 cal ammo is banned statewide.
umm, wrong.

there is no state law regarding shiipping or possessiong .50cal ammo. Now, some cities, like LA, may have ordinances against .50cal ammo, but there is no state ban on the ammo.
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umm, wrong.

there is no state law regarding shiipping or possessiong .50cal ammo. Now, some cities, like LA, may have ordinances against .50cal ammo, but there is no state ban on the ammo.
Only partially wrong. .50 BMG has been banned since 2005.
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Only partially wrong. .50 BMG has been banned since 2005.
Nope. Jon Wang is 100% wrong. 50 BMG ammo was not banned.
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Only partially wrong. .50 BMG has been banned since 2005.
nope, the ammo was never banned. .50BMG rifles were banned (and those that had them could register them and keep them) but the ammo itself was never banned. you can buy/sell/import/make .50BMG ammo legally in CA to this day.
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Nope. Jon Wang is 100% wrong. 50 BMG ammo was not banned.
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nope, the ammo was never banned. .50BMG rifles were banned (and those that had them could register them and keep them) but the ammo itself was never banned. you can buy/sell/import/make .50BMG ammo legally in CA to this day.
I stand corrected.
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Well, since the change in DNS issues with the site I couldn't see the responses so I just erred on the side of caution and shipped them to the FFL that the firearms were going to along with the packing slip/invoice for the guns so they would know they all went together. Hopefully the customer will get them.
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