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Old 02-22-2013, 11:45 AM
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i dont get this couch thing.. what am i missing?
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Some xxx films make the young lady come in for a interview where they must preform on that couch to see if there right for the job ,,,,,if you follow what im saying I cant say it any other way without being banned
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I'm all about the 10th Amendment... EXCEPT when it's trumped by enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights.

Has anyone tried challenging that case under Constitutional grounds? 10 USC § 311 is definitely in conflict with Ca PC 11460.
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Taking applications for well regulated militia.

BLM target practice shoot with:

1) AR-15, M16 rifle with 16", 20", 22", or 24" barrel
2) Side-arm pistol

PM picture of AR, brief introduction including age, profession, and reason for interest in forming well regulated militia.
Einstein, if you're able to read AND comprehend the Constitution, you'll note that the militia already exists.

The militia has not required an application between our country's founding and now.

Even if it did require an application, you're screwing me out of using an FAL.

Why the discrimination?

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im not sure but I think its because
Some xxx films make the young lady come in for a interview where they must preform on that couch to see if there right for the job ,,,,,if you follow what im saying I cant say it any other way without being banned
that looks more like an assistant's couch to me
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Oh the "couch"!!!! Not sure I'd want to join a militia using the couch to interview new "members"!!
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In. But only if I can use an ak as a primary weapon, and an ak pistol as a sidearm.
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OP should let in those of us with phased plasma rifles. The militia would be much stronger.
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Taking applications for well regulated militia.

BLM target practice shoot with:

1) AR-15, M16 rifle with 16", 20", 22", or 24" barrel
2) Side-arm pistol

PM picture of AR, brief introduction including age, profession, and reason for interest in forming well regulated militia.
Why not just go directly to the National Guard which is the "well regulated militia"?
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I feel like I have lost IQ points for reading this thread.

Regulate does not mean regulation. A regular was an infantryman of the time. To regulate is to make a unit able operate on the field of battle. Substandard militia was a problem for the early american army.

There were two type of militia. The select and the unorganized general militia. We are all members of the general militia.
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Why not just go directly to the National Guard which is the "well regulated militia"?
1) hate UCP as 'furniture camo'
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3) don't want to downgrade on weapons

Or more seriously anyone with some skepticism about the Federal Leviathan when federalized or Moonbeam and Sacramento Cow Town when not?
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Serious question: Do you have a link for the law that makes training "as a proper militia" a crime?
Sorry, but no, I don't.
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Okay. I guess there is a California law which clearly states we cannot join together and practice with our firarms.

I, for one, am disgusted with this blatant infringement of our right keep and bear arms, as well as our right to join in a well-regulated militia, which will ultimately serve necessary to our free state.

Forget applications. When do you all want to meet? Yeah all those other FAL's AK's and 6.8 etc are acceptable, however we will be ranking indiviuals in terms of accuracy, marksmanship, etc. These will only be open to 5.56 for the rifles.
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Why not just go directly to the National Guard which is the "well regulated militia"?
There are a number of problems with this.

Do note that unless you meet the National Guard's age and other physical and training requirements you can't join them. This means that you cannot join an effective militia in this state based on your age.

Also, even if you go to the unorganized militia, there are age limitations and (unless they've revised the code) women are not permitted.

So belonging to the National Guard in California is literally impossible for many of us. The SMR and other portions of the official militia are also barred to many.

The other thing to realize is that the National Guard is not the same as the militia our founders knew and implicitly recognized within the Second Amendment.

The militia was largely a community-based project and its leadership was elected by its members. This meant that it was not really under very tight control by either the state or the federal governments.

An odd little story? There is apparently still a historic militia back East (I think in Philadelphia). It is largely ceremonial in function at this time although it seems you have to belong to the National Guard in order to be in it.

A number of years back (2001 in particular) I had the odd distinction of being in the presence of two members of the California Army National Guard who also belonged to that one historic unit and got to watch them go at each other verbally. It seems that the more senior of the two was not as well liked within that unit and the more junior (in service) had been elected to a higher rank before the more senior had - pretty much hated the more junior (in service) fellow.

Net effect is that there are still technically militia from historic times which maintain some of the leadership traditions even though the unit itself is now primarily social and farcical (IMHO).
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It's a good thing the colonial army was not well regulated or things may have gone the other way. British soldiers fought in columns which was a clear disadvantage.

The "unregulated" colonial army hid behind trees and took any advantage they could find.

And no couch for me.
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Forget applications. When do you all want to meet? Yeah all those other FAL's AK's and 6.8 etc are acceptable, however we will be ranking indiviuals in terms of accuracy, marksmanship, etc. These will only be open to 5.56 for the rifles.
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...000&file=11460

PENAL CODE
SECTION 11460
11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary
organization for the purpose of practicing with weapons shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year
or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subdivision, “paramilitary organization” means an
organization which is not an agency of the United States government
or of the State of California, or which is not a private school
meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education
Code, but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla
warfare or sabotage, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting
or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference with,
school activities.
The militia was meant to be a protection of the state I believe, not a private affair.

We have a legit militia here in California (seriously):

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx
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that does look like an official militia.

The problem is, our state is not free. We cannot possess a loaded or unloaded handgun, concealed or non-concealed.

We cannot bear loaded firearms, and if were to during an emergecy situaion we would likely be shot by the local, state, or federal police.
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...000&file=11460

PENAL CODE
SECTION 11460
11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary
organization for the purpose of practicing with weapons shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year
or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subdivision, “paramilitary organization” means an
organization which is not an agency of the United States government
or of the State of California, or which is not a private school
meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education
Code, but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla
warfare or sabotage, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting
or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference with,
school activities.
Wasn't this part of tthe legislation passed in the 1970's in response to groups like the Black Panthers and other revolutionary types being active in California?
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It's a good thing the colonial army was not well regulated or things may have gone the other way. British soldiers fought in columns which was a clear disadvantage.

The "unregulated" colonial army hid behind trees and took any advantage they could find.

And no couch for me.
Most of the time that was not the case. Americans had the advantage in light infantry combat. But most battles that mattered were not light infantry fights (kings mnt. being the exception).

American Irregulars were... irregular. Some units performed well, but many did not.
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...000&file=11460

PENAL CODE
SECTION 11460
11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary
organization for the purpose of practicing with weapons shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year
or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subdivision, “paramilitary organization” means an
organization which is not an agency of the United States government
or of the State of California, or which is not a private school
meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education
Code, but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla
warfare or sabotage, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting
or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference with,
school activities.
Read the code, it doesn't restrict Militias in California.
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Okay. I guess there is a California law which clearly states we cannot join together and practice with our firarms.

I, for one, am disgusted with this blatant infringement of our right keep and bear arms, as well as our right to join in a well-regulated militia, which will ultimately serve necessary to our free state.

Forget applications. When do you all want to meet? Yeah all those other FAL's AK's and 6.8 etc are acceptable, however we will be ranking indiviuals in terms of accuracy, marksmanship, etc. These will only be open to 5.56 for the rifles.
I hope you don't get banned too quickly. I can't afford to pay for this kind of entertainment.

How can 6.8 be acceptable if it's still only open to 5.56? Your lack of gun knowledge makes me think you studied under this fine lady:
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Read the code, it doesn't restrict Militias in California.
glad I'm not the only one that recognized that...
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The militia was meant to be a protection of the state I believe, not a private affair.

We have a legit militia here in California (seriously):

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx
The state intends for it to be for the protection of the state, but that is not what the militia was.

The SMR is nothing like a legitimate militia. In my experience they mostly provide training support for the CNG. Don't get me wrong, it is very valuable support and the members of the SMR should be very, very proud of what they do - but it's not much of a militia.

And I have been a member of both the unorganized and the organized militia as defined in the California code.
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guys it is completely legit there is no need for the fear or tin foil hats. i was called in for a follow up interview interview i even snapped a quick pic of the classy interview room just to show you it is safe. i cant talk about what happened or what questions were asked for obvious reasons, but i can tell you fun times were had promises were made and i will get a call in about a week. here is a pic of the interview room .


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I don't get it, is that a camera on the desk? why would you need a camera for a job interview
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True, but this was the point I was making about some of the tactics shown in this illustration...

The British also had the logistical problem of resupply. A lot of what they needed couldn't arrive quick enough over the high seas in wooden tall ships.



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Most of the time that was not the case. Americans had the advantage in light infantry combat. But most battles that mattered were not light infantry fights (kings mnt. being the exception).

American Irregulars were... irregular. Some units performed well, but many did not.
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I was thinking way off somewhere....

I kept looking for a hole in the desk that it was the infamous desk assasin from san fransucko.....

Boy was I wrong....

Ya know... yee's brother in law that kept trying to bust people at gunshows?

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that does look like an official militia.

The problem is, our state is not free. We cannot possess a loaded or unloaded handgun, concealed or non-concealed.

We cannot bear loaded firearms, and if were to during an emergecy situaion we would likely be shot by the local, state, or federal police.
Stop, just stop already.

CA is may-issue, not no-issue. There are people with carry permits. I'm one of them. Anyone can carry an unloaded concealed handgun (LUCC). Yes, there's room for improvement, and it's coming.


The best thing about this thread is the couch photo.
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Read the code, it doesn't restrict Militias in California.
umm seems pretty dead on talking about militias ever wonder why all the cal militias meet and train in nevada ? BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL WITHIN CA STATE LINES

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11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary
organization for the purpose of practicing with weapons
shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year
or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subdivision, "paramilitary organization" means an
organization which is not an agency of the United States government
or of the State of California, or which is not a private school
meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education
Code,
but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla
warfare or sabotage, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting
or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference with,
school activities.
(b) (1) Any person who teaches or demonstrates to any other person
the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or
destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death
to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that these
objects or techniques will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in
the furtherance of a civil disorder, or any person who assembles with
one or more other persons for the purpose of training with,
practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm,

explosive, or destructive device, or technique capable of causing
injury or death to persons, with the intent to cause or further a
civil disorder, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail
for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than one thousand
dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.
Nothing in this subdivision shall make unlawful any act of any
peace officer or a member of the military forces of this state or of
the United States, performed in the lawful course of his or her
official duties.
(2) As used in this section:
(A) "Civil disorder" means any disturbance involving acts of
violence which cause an immediate danger of or results in damage or
injury to the property or person of any other individual.
(B) "Destructive device" has the same meaning as in Section 16460.
(C) "Explosive" has the same meaning as in Section 12000 of the
Health and Safety Code.
(D) "Firearm" means any device designed to be used as a weapon, or
which may readily be converted to a weapon, from which is expelled a
projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of
combustion, or the frame or receiver of this weapon.
(E) "Peace officer" means any peace officer or other officer
having the powers of arrest of a peace officer, specified in Chapter
4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
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Lots of good points here:
http://www.guncite.com/rrmilitia.html
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Forget applications. When do you all want to meet? Yeah all those other FAL's AK's and 6.8 etc are acceptable, however we will be ranking indiviuals in terms of accuracy, marksmanship, etc. These will only be open to 5.56 for the rifles.
Join a local gun club. They have all those activities and more like cowboy action, skeet, trap, 3-gun. Why re-invent the wheel? Unless you have another motive?

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or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment."
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Can someone please post a link to explain the backstory of the mystery couch
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umm seems pretty dead on talking about militias ever wonder why all the cal militias meet and train in nevada ? BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL WITHIN CA STATE LINES
I read through this a bit differently.
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PENAL CODE
SECTION 11460

11460. (a) Any two or more persons who assemble as a paramilitary
organization
for the purpose of practicing with weapons shall be
punished by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year
or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by
both that fine and imprisonment.
As used in this subdivision, "paramilitary organization" means an
organization which is not an agency of the United States government
or of the State of California
, or which is not a private school
meeting the requirements set forth in Section 48222 of the Education
Code, but which engages in instruction or training in guerrilla
warfare or sabotage
, or which, as an organization, engages in rioting
or the violent disruption of, or the violent interference
with,
school activities.
(b) (1) Any person who teaches or demonstrates to any other person
the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or
destructive device, or technique capable of causing injury or death
to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that these
objects or techniques will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in
the furtherance of a civil disorder
, or any person who assembles with
one or more other persons for the purpose of training with,
practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm,
explosive, or destructive device, or technique capable of causing
injury or death to persons, with the intent to cause or further a
civil disorder
, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail
for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than one thousand
dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.
Nothing in this subdivision shall make unlawful any act of any
peace officer or a member of the military forces of this state or of
the United States, performed in the lawful course of his or her
official duties.
(2) As used in this section:
(A) "Civil disorder" means any disturbance involving acts of
violence
which cause an immediate danger of or results in damage or
injury to the property or person of any other individual.
(B) "Destructive device" has the same meaning as in Section 16460.
(C) "Explosive" has the same meaning as in Section 12000 of the
Health and Safety Code.
(D) "Firearm" means any device designed to be used as a weapon, or
which may readily be converted to a weapon, from which is expelled a
projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of
combustion, or the frame or receiver of this weapon.
(E) "Peace officer" means any peace officer or other officer
having the powers of arrest of a peace officer, specified in Chapter
4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
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Can someone please post a link to explain the backstory of the mystery couch
Go to urban dictionary, type in casting couch.
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Heck, if your in the los angelas area and you want to join a well regulated militia who use auto m16's and sidearms, all ya gotta do wear blue and walk around like your feet are broken.

Might even get a chance to put your practice to the test!
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