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Old 05-16-2013, 1:44 PM
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Alright thanks, this is even sh***ier than I thought. Looks like the only semi-auto I'll ever be owning is my 15-22 lol.
...which would become a registered assault weapon.
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...which would become a registered assault weapon.
This, because rimfire is not excepted like it is currently.

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If I just register it as an AW, I won't have anything to worry about right?...
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Of course not, just turn it in when they ask for it like they did with SKS and canada, or any others I may have missed. Oh yea there is also the katrina incident.
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plus AWs have certain restrictions on use.
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If I just register it as an AW, I won't have anything to worry about right?...
Dude, you live in California.
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You're reminded to keep contacting all the appropriate reps on this in a timely manner. This is certainly not some kind of done deal for this un-American Senator. Especially when we have an incorporated individual 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
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If I just register it as an AW, I won't have anything to worry about right?...
They'll confiscate your rifle when they decided that they need to remove all AWs from hands of law abiding citizens criminals

From the current text, the only center fire semiauto rifle that won't be an AW is the SKS.
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The only place I'm planning on shooting it is at the range, cow mountain, and maybe a friends house... and all of those places are legal places to shoot AW. The law hasn't passed yet, but if it does I will register it and that's just my decision.
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no...thats not the OBVIOUS way of doing things, think of it like this... if they are gonna come door to door, you really think they are gonna accept the. "o hear it is" line? No... they will come in and take a look for themselves, and when they find your unregistered lower, they will make sure you are treated as the criminal you are...
why are you letting them in? or keeping the lower in an easy to find location?
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The only place I'm planning on shooting it is at the range, cow mountain, and maybe a friends house... and all of those places are legal places to shoot AW. The law hasn't passed yet, but if it does I will register it and that's just my decision.
Well when the police send you a letter saying "we know you own a evil rifle, you have 2 weeks to turn it in or we come and take it" dont come crying to us.
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If I just register it as an AW, I won't have anything to worry about right?...
Registration leads to confiscation.
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Alright thanks, this is even sh***ier than I thought. Looks like the only semi-auto I'll ever be owning is my 15-22 lol.
If SB 374 becomes law it will have to be amended with a rimfire exception, period.

What are they are going make all the boys who go shooting their 10/22s with dad into criminals?

Everyone I know has a 10/22 or similar, and not all of them keep up with gun laws. If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.
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If SB 374 becomes law it will have to be amended with a rimfire exception, period.

What are they are going make all the boys who go shooting their 10/22s with dad into criminals?

Everyone I know has a 10/22 or similar, and not all of them keep up with gun laws. If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.
I think, that's the idea.
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If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.
this state already assumes that anyone who is honest, hard working, and tax paying must be a criminal. What kind of person would want to make a living for themselves not off the state? Criminals of course
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If SB 374 becomes law it will have to be amended with a rimfire exception, period.

What are they are going make all the boys who go shooting their 10/22s with dad into criminals?

Everyone I know has a 10/22 or similar, and not all of them keep up with gun laws. If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.
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What are they are going make all the boys who go shooting their 10/22s with dad into criminals?

Everyone I know has a 10/22 or similar, and not all of them keep up with gun laws. If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.[/QUOTE]

They don't want guns in CA, period. They don't want you teaching anyone to shoot.
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I am absolutely sick about the idea of my 13 year old daughter being a criminal because she likes to shoot a 30 year old marlin 60. I have been making phone calls, writing letters (snail and emails) and will continue to do so. This is such a rediculus bill. But what do you expect from the majority of dimwits in the legislature.
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People here have to realize that those in Sacto already believe it is criminal to allow children to have access to any firearms. Boy Scouts are evil because they have traditional values. Those people do not share your values or beliefs. They would love to throw you in jail for child endangerment for allowing any child to shoot a .22 if they could, because you are creating future violent criminals. You can't use logic and common sense to deal with the crop of politicians running California.
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It sure is neat to watch us bicker as these bills move quickly. The 2a sub forum can be seen by anyone who clicks on CalGuns. If I was a gun grabber and stumbled on this thread I'd be giddy right now. Personal attacks. what have you done for me lately? This reads like a soap opera. We need a united front, not a Richard measuring sideshow.
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Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to hide the 2A forum to only registered and logged in users. Perhaps even coupled with a certain post count and registration length (to mitigate post whoring). Even manual registration approval and/or sub-forum access could be something to consider.
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Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to hide the 2A forum to only registered and logged in users. Perhaps even coupled with a certain post count and registration length (to mitigate post whoring). Even manual registration approval and/or sub-forum access could be something to consider.
If we are forced to go underground, to (in Biden's word), ``cower'' on the margins like smokers, the antis have won.

Perhaps there could be a rule/restriction against speculation and hermeneutics of bill language (our donations fund lawyers to do so!) -- but every gun owner should be aware of these bills. There are gun shop employees, for example, in Silicon Valley (pretty much the OLL "ground zero") who don't know about SB-47 and SB-374.
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im a bit confused now.. does that mean a rifle like the howa axiom will be considered an assult rifle? it has a fixed built in ammo box? shouldn't be right?

and looking at the cross out of some of the older descriptions to describe an AW, a pistol grip will no longer signify in the eyes of the law as a AW feature?

am i reading that right?
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im a bit confused now.. does that mean a rifle like the howa axiom will be considered an assult rifle? it has a fixed built in ammo box? shouldn't be right?
This law needs serious clarification. It would depend on how the law is interpreted, but the wording definitely says "without dis-assembly of the firearm action" so if you can take that magazine off without taking apart the action and the firearm is a semi-auto, it would be an assault weapon. At least, thats my interpretation
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I was wondering when the penny would drop ...

And this is good - Register every gun you have.
...and at YOUR cost. Perhaps it's nearing time to water the Tree of Liberty?
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From the current text, the only center fire semiauto rifle that won't be an AW is the SKS.

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This law needs serious clarification. It would depend on how the law is interpreted, but the wording definitely says "without dis-assembly of the firearm action" so if you can take that magazine off without taking apart the action and the firearm is a semi-auto, it would be an assault weapon. At least, thats my interpretation
hmm.. thats the thing tho.. on that particular rifle, it only has a base that pops out, no actual magazine being inserted or ejected. so you can load by removing base plate and dropping the rounds in or top load through where the bolt is at. this is a bolt action rifle, not a semi auto, but the wording confuses me. i know there is a mag conversion kit, but mine doesn't have the kit. but how it sounds, it doesn't matter if its a semi auto or bolt action if the mag is removable from the way i read it. am i mistaken on the interpretation?

i hate how they write these things.
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If SB 374 becomes law it will have to be amended with a rimfire exception, period.

What are they are going make all the boys who go shooting their 10/22s with dad into criminals?

Everyone I know has a 10/22 or similar, and not all of them keep up with gun laws. If passed as is it would make hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working, tax paying folks into criminals.


A lot of my friends with 10/22s and Marlin Model 60s and 70s are in the same boat and didn't even know what was going on. Some of them aren't really into shooting that much and as such aren't involved or savvy to all of the new legal actions and legislation that is being pursued by the state; they couldn't believe that rimfires would be classified as such.
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on that particular rifle, it only has a base that pops out
This would consider it a AW with the language that the bills written in. We all know it's pathetic ....
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if its not a semi auto its not an assault weapon according to this law
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This is really solidifying my resolve to move to Idaho. What a PITA this Protectorate is becoming. Getting to old for this crap.
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at Hooper.

so since a bolt action as not a semi-auto, the rimfire or centerfire stipulation does not apply is what you are saying correct?

yeah, the mag box to be removed doesn't require the action to be removed, but you do have to remove the trigger guard assembly to remove the box as they are 1 piece. and as long as i don't put on the conversion kit on this rifle it doesn't apply to this law that is trying to get passed. does that sound right?
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What is the status of this bill?
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I love how many on here, no matter how infringed or tyrranicaly oppressed they become, the first thing out their mouths is, "all I have to do is register right?" or "I can just go to the next state over and buy what I need and come back" or "Im so proud of my bullet button, or monsterman grip", ask if those in warsaw if they thought all they had to do was register and wear a little arm band and that was gonna be good enough.

I have come to realize that the rights in this state have been gone so long that the serfs who still reside here have no idea what America is as it was founded is or what actual freedom is, as long as they can suffer the compliance orders they are ok and it doesnt bother them.

These bills are a few steps in intensity behind the red coats marching on Lexington and Concord to sieze the arms, yet some how I think our current crop of patriots will let it go much further before LEX/CON 2.0. And then it will be more like Hunger Games then Red Dawn.
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so since a bolt action as not a semi-auto, the rimfire or centerfire stipulation does not apply is what you are saying correct?
thats my understanding
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if its not a semi auto its not an assault weapon according to this law
True... BUT there is a provision in this bill that requires the registration (as an ordinary long arm pursuant to the regular long gun registry which goes into effect on 1 Jan 2014) of any long gun which uses a detachable magazine regardless of action type or date acquired!

For those playing along at home, that means you gotta register stuff you already own, so that it can be recorded in the database alongside those other evil AWs and the new rifles that folks buy or bring into the state after the beginning of the year. All those bolt-action scout rifles and your Remmy 7600, detachable mag means a record in the DOJ DB.
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Senate Appropriations Committee acted on this bill by the predictable 5 ayes to 2 noes vote.

The notion that this bill can die as a result of being in the suspense file was a viable thought in past years because the State was in dire straits financially. But thanks to the voters' passage of Prop 30 and other improved financial conditions, it is very possible that the super majority in the legislature will have no qualms about spending the tens of millions of dollars to enact this bill.

If you really want to get upset by this bill, consider what the bill's analysis states

"For every 100 new felony convictions (both for manufacturing/sale and possession), costs in the range of $2.8 million to $6 million, compounding to $11.2 million to $24 million for overlapping sentences."

Those "new felony convictions" are expected to be annual occurrences. In other words, the bill's authors fully expect to have those of US who are otherwise responsible, law abiding citizens prosecuted under this law. The only redeeming element is that perhaps that cost might cause a few legislators to question whether this law makes sense.

I have spent a fair amount of time communicating with my state senator (who by the way serves on the Appropriations Committee). I even had a chance to meet with him personally to discuss this bill. I really think he questioned its reasonableness, but obviously the pressure of his Caucus vastly overwhelms his appetite to do the right thing.

Keeping this bill from becoming a reality is going to take a tremendous effort on everyone's part. It seems like this will come to a vote in the Senate. We all need to act. Calguns, NRA, CRPA, and other gun rights organizations need our support. But that will not be enough. We will have to light up the phone banks in Sacramento. I spoke to my senator's staffer that is tracking this legislation. I will be calling again today. I hope I have trouble reaching him because the phones are ringing off the hook.
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Briar Patch!

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Looks like we're headed into the briar patch. Lets hope this confidence is going to pan out to results.
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Why an obscure number like $19? I have to imagine it comes from the billwriter's sales pitch to raise the state X number of dollars. X divided by "projected number of firearms in CA to be registered" equals 19.
$19 is not obscure, but it's seemingly arbitrary.
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