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Old 04-23-2013, 12:31 AM
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and for the people who are saing "well im not gonna be able to take it to the range..."
WELL, your not gonna be able to take it to the range anyway because the ammo is gonna be so hard to get pretty soon too so SAVE IT.
Some people got their fire arms to shoot and not worry about going to federal prison.. just saying. Slippery slope any way you look at it.
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like i said, the people here who are saying that they are going to register, i will not shed an ounce of remorse for you when next legislative session the democrips decide to confiscate your newly registered assault weapons. your screwed either way so you might as well not help them know what you have. seriously, its so bad and im so pissed off that i dont care if im confessing to a crime on this forum, blatantly unconstitutional laws aren't laws to me.
the obvious solution if youre afraid of that would be to register the gun, and build yourself another lower that isnt registered. If they pass the second of those laws then you take the upper and all parts off the registered lower and turn in the lower, then build the unregistered lower with those parts. "best" case scenario is they dont pass any anti-grandfathering law and you have a registered rifle that you can use as you wish. Worst case they do pass it and you are in the same position as not registering in the first place.

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and for the people who are saing "well im not gonna be able to take it to the range..."
WELL, your not gonna be able to take it to the range anyway because the ammo is gonna be so hard to get pretty soon too so SAVE IT.
If they pass 100% of the laws that are being proposed I will still have no trouble getting ammo

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the obvious solution if youre afraid of that would be to register the gun, and build yourself another lower that isnt registered. If they pass the second of those laws then you take the upper and all parts off the registered lower and turn in the lower, then build the unregistered lower with those parts. "best" case scenario is they dont pass any anti-grandfathering law and you have a registered rifle that you can use as you wish. Worst case they do pass it and you are in the same position as not registering in the first place.



If they pass 100% of the laws that are being proposed I will still have no trouble getting ammo
^^^^This. No matter what we will not be disarmed.

I know Steinberg's staff is reading this, I have a message for you: Read Hooper's post again. You will not win.

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Some people got their fire arms to shoot and not worry about going to federal prison.. just saying. Slippery slope any way you look at it.
Confucious say, "When on peak of mountain of problems, and rainy all day - slippery slope is everywhere."

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Some people got their fire arms to shoot and not worry about going to federal prison.. just saying. Slippery slope any way you look at it.
OP was about California SB374, or so I thought by the title.

How does FEDERAL prison relate to a California weapons law?

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These people want the ARs and AKs to disappear from California. Here's the real problem... enforcement. There is not a LEO or DA out there that can tell the difference between semi-auto AR and a single shot AR without firing it, and they certainly can't do that on the side of a road.

The problem will be, who wants to vounteer to be the test case.
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the obvious solution if youre afraid of that would be to register the gun, and build yourself another lower that isnt registered. If they pass the second of those laws then you take the upper and all parts off the registered lower and turn in the lower, then build the unregistered lower with those parts. "best" case scenario is they dont pass any anti-grandfathering law and you have a registered rifle that you can use as you wish. Worst case they do pass it and you are in the same position as not registering in the first place.

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If they pass 100% of the laws that are being proposed I will still have no trouble getting ammo
Great idea. Know where I can get a lower for my Mini 14?????? How will this work for my 10/22? Or a mag fed bolt action 22-250 that will now have to be registered?
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Great idea. Know where I can get a lower for my Mini 14?????? How will this work for my 10/22? Or a mag fed bolt action 22-250 that will now have to be registered?
You can home build a 10/22 receiver much like an AR15 receiver. The other two, I have plenty of ideas, but I might get in trouble for mentioning them here.

There will be ways around this law, legal or not. If our right to keep and bear arms is curtailed to the point where it is no longer useful to us, then we must resist by any means necessary.

At that point, you won't need guns. Build drones.

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You can home build a 10/22 receiver much like an AR15 receiver. The other two, I have plenty of ideas, but I might get in trouble for mentioning them here.

There will be ways around this law, legal or not. If our right to keep and bear arms is curtailed to the point where it is no longer useful to us, then we must resist by any means necessary.

At that point, you won't need guns. Build drones.

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Right, but then I might just as well break the law by not registering at all. I have no intention of hiding from them. If they want to play the game of "now you'll have to fight it in court" then they can kiss my white ***. I'm not going to neuter my guns that, after 30+yrs of production, are now deemed illegal by some *** hat with a pen.
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I'm sorry to say it, but our state is run by a bunch of anti-gun nazis who don't believe in the constitution. I really hope Brown vetoes all these bills
I agree 100% with the first part of your statement, but doubt Brown will veto anything.
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These people want the ARs and AKs to disappear from California. Here's the real problem... enforcement. There is not a LEO or DA out there that can tell the difference between semi-auto AR and a single shot AR without firing it, and they certainly can't do that on the side of a road.

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It's been set for a hearing in the Appropriations Committee on May 6th.
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like i said, the people here who are saying that they are going to register, i will not shed an ounce of remorse for you when next legislative session the democrips decide to confiscate your newly registered assault weapons. your screwed either way so you might as well not help them know what you have. seriously, its so bad and im so pissed off that i dont care if im confessing to a crime on this forum, blatantly unconstitutional laws aren't laws to me.
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I wonder if there is anything that would change these politicians' minds? It would be easy for gun owners to cripple CA with very mild forms of peaceful civil disobedience. That would definitely get their attention. Is that taboo to discuss?

Giving amnesty to law breaking illegal aliens is now a "civil right" according the the head law enforcement ***hat in Washington. In California the homeless and vagrants are getting a bill or rights. Yet the millions of law abiding citizens that truly have a Constitutional right to our firearms are treated like criminals. I think we have been way too polite for too long.

Do you think the homosexual community would just get mad and lament on Internet forums if Sacramento passed a law banning their lifestyle? Heck no! They would be out in the streets in full force until they got what they wanted. Yet we just sit back and send emails and letters to people in Sacramento who don't give a rat about your emails, your opinions, or your rights.
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I wonder if there is anything that would change these politicians' minds? It would be easy for gun owners to cripple CA with very mild forms of peaceful civil disobedience. That would definitely get their attention. Is that taboo to discuss?
it would definitely be wrong to mail in AW registrations using the same serial for all of the representatives voting yes on this bill.
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Regarding SB 374 specifically, I just don't understand...

What are the technical differences between a Firearm Ownership Record, and an assault weapon registration?

If they are getting everyone to submit a FOR for every firearm they own, then why also make them "register" their assault weapons? With all the paperwork going to the DOJ, wouldn't they be the same exact damn thing? Same info going to the same gov entity.

Basically this is forced registration of all firearms in CA.

It seems stupid to me for them (legislators) to try to get a FOR from every owner in CA. It's just not going to happen and it will be VERY COST INTENSIVE/PROHIBITIVE, potentially killing this bill, which is fine with me! But what are they trying to pull here? Seems like a slight of hand... Watch what I'm doing with my left hand, while I screw you with my right...

As stated in the bill text, this bill would:

1. Requires that a person who, between January 1, 2001, and prior to January 1, 2014, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm by July 1, 2014, with the DOJ as specified.

2. Provides that on and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record (FOR) shall be submitted to the DOJ for every firearm an individual owns or possesses, with exceptions, but including registered assault weapons, handguns purchased prior to 1991, and rifles without detachable magazines and shotguns purchased prior to 2014.

Again, what are the technical differences between a Firearm Ownership Record, and a registration?

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Here's a random thought to bounce off you guys:

What about "Sanctuary Cities" for firearms? Have the governments of some small towns here in CA say they won't enforce any new firearms laws? If the big cities like LA, the entire SF Bay Area, or San Diego, can do that with illegal immigrants, why can't the smaller towns do something like that with firearms?

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...anything that would change these politicians' minds?.
Only more money and benefits from the "other" side.

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The status of SB 374 as of today states that it was placed on the Appropriations Suspense file. Does anyone know what this means exactly?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...xtClient.xhtml
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It just means that they can't act on it further until the budget is passed. Once they figure out a budget, they can figure out how much they have left for these other bills.
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The status of SB 374 as of today states that it was placed on the Appropriations Suspense file. Does anyone know what this means exactly?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...xtClient.xhtml
All bills that have a fiscal impact of >$150,000 get automatically placed in the suspense file, without any vote on the bill. (This included about half of the 80 bills appropriations considered).

Once they are in the file, an action by the committee at any later date can remove them from the file and place them up for a vote. Traditionally, this is done after the budget passes (in the summer) so that the committee can wait for a better understanding of the state's fiscal situation. However, it appears this is only a tradition and not a hard rule.

Bills that are contentious or later turn sour end up stuck the suspense file indefinitely so that the full assembly/senate doesn't have to face a vote on them.

Net effect right now is that the bill will have to be up in at least one more appropriations committee hearing before moving on.
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It just means that they can't act on it further until the budget is passed. Once they figure out a budget, they can figure out how much they have left for these other bills.
Wait California can figure out a budget? I think NOT!
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Wait California can figure out a budget? I think NOT!
Did you miss that the moron voters passed the law allowing the legislature to pass a budget with a simple majority last year?

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Did you miss that the moron voters passed the law allowing the legislature to pass a budget with a simple majority last year?

Yeah, bend over .
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Okay I'm really confused. How likely is it that this is going to pass? And if it does pass, what kinds of rifles will we be able to buy?
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Okay I'm really confused. How likely is it that this is going to pass? And if it does pass, what kinds of rifles will we be able to buy?
I doubt it will pass in current form because of the rimfire inclusion (they'll be treated the same as centerfire)

Still not assault weapons under the current language:

Semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines of less than 11 round capacity.

Bolt action, Lever action, and pump action rifles.
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I doubt it will pass in current form because of the rimfire inclusion (they'll be treated the same as centerfire)
Why would this change anything? I don't see any anti-gunners caring.
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Why would this change anything? I don't see any anti-gunners caring.
It's their give-back. Once the voluminous number of owners of these 22 semi-autos become aware of the pending reclassification of their rifles, there will start to be enough pressure that the grabbers can strike it under the guise of compromise.

It does appear that there is some strategy around letting that stuff stay in from a litigation standpoint, though... which may account for why the word has been slow in getting out to those future-AW-owning plinksters.

Fundamentally it is a big problem as so many of these are owned by children, whom are not permitted to possess AWs under the law. Even if it is Daddy's rifle, he can't let his kids shoot it or he's a felon. Someone is bound to point this out to folks with influence in Sacramento... but I have not heard of our folks on the ground doing any such thing.
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the obvious solution if youre afraid of that would be to register the gun, and build yourself another lower that isnt registered. If they pass the second of those laws then you take the upper and all parts off the registered lower and turn in the lower, then build the unregistered lower with those parts. "best" case scenario is they dont pass any anti-grandfathering law and you have a registered rifle that you can use as you wish. Worst case they do pass it and you are in the same position as not registering in the first place.

Disclaimer: I do not and would not advise violating any laws, of course. I must have seen it on a star trek episode once... or something



If they pass 100% of the laws that are being proposed I will still have no trouble getting ammo

no...thats not the OBVIOUS way of doing things, think of it like this... if they are gonna come door to door, you really think they are gonna accept the. "o hear it is" line? No... they will come in and take a look for themselves, and when they find your unregistered lower, they will make sure you are treated as the criminal you are...

the tides are turning already, you hear the news dropping the 500 "assault rifle" references an hour shindig, for "high power assault weapon". this is how the tide turns, when they stop going after detachable magazines and start going by how powerful the cartridge is...

you can kill a dear with a .22....no one needs a .308
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Semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines of less than 11 round capacity.
Will the bullet button still count as a fixed magazine?
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Will the bullet button still count as a fixed magazine?
Negative. The new language will define "fixed" as requiring disassembling of the receiver to remove the magazine.
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Negative. The new language will define "fixed" as requiring disassembling of the receiver to remove the magazine.
Alright thanks, this is even sh***ier than I thought. Looks like the only semi-auto I'll ever be owning is my 15-22 lol.
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