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Old 02-19-2013, 9:46 PM
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Default Possible to ship off-roster handgun to myself?

I had a question and I couldn't find a clear answer on the wikis, so sorry if this has been brought up before.

Say I were to travel quite a ways (like 200 miles) for a face to face PPT to buy an off-roster handgun. After the 10 day waiting period the gun is technically mine, right?

So after the 10 days could that FFL then ship it to a FFL near me? Since it's not a sale or a transfer (as I already own the gun) and it's basically to myself, would that be possible? For example, it would be legal for my mother or father to ship it to me, it should be fine for me to ship to me, right?

It would still save me from having to make such a long trip twice.

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers.
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Old 02-19-2013, 9:55 PM
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You have to sign form 4473 second time for delivery of firearm. All other issues aside.
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Does Federal law make it illegal to buy a firearm in a state that you are not a resident??How do you show proof of residents?If that is the case don't you think everyone would flock to NV or AZ and done this already.Don't think it can be done legally.
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You have to sign form 4473 second time for delivery of firearm. All other issues aside.
Correct and after you sign it the second time the dealer could now send it to you.

But seeing as you're standing right there in the store you might as well just take it with you.

If you are looking at buying an off roster gun via a PPT from someone far a way why not make it worth while for the seller to travel to you, or close to you? that way the long trip only needs to be made once.
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Does Federal law make it illegal to buy a firearm in a state that you are not a resident??How do you show proof of residents?If that is the case don't you think everyone would flock to NV or AZ and done this already.Don't think it can be done legally.
Read this:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=503873
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Does Federal law make it illegal to buy a firearm in a state that you are not a resident??How do you show proof of residents?If that is the case don't you think everyone would flock to NV or AZ and done this already.Don't think it can be done legally.
...the sixth sticky down from the top of the handguns forum main page.

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I had a question and I couldn't find a clear answer on the wikis, so sorry if this has been brought up before.

Say I were to travel quite a ways (like 200 miles) for a face to face PPT to buy an off-roster handgun. After the 10 day waiting period the gun is technically mine, right?

So after the 10 days could that FFL then ship it to a FFL near me? Since it's not a sale or a transfer (as I already own the gun) and it's basically to myself, would that be possible? For example, it would be legal for my mother or father to ship it to me, it should be fine for me to ship to me, right?

It would still save me from having to make such a long trip twice.

Any help would be appreciated. Cheers.
It's technically, yours when you go back to the CA FFL dealer and complete the transfer paperwork.

So after the 10 day wait, you go back to the CA FFL dealer and then you can take it with you or ship it to yourself.

Per BATFE, only the actual owner can ship a firearm to themselves. A third party can not ship the firearm to the owner, even if the third party is acting on the behalf of the owner.

If FFL dealer #1 ships the firearm to FFL dealer #2, who is near you, then FFL dealer #2 will need to transfer (4473/DROS/10 day wait) it to you.
This still applies even if you own the firearm.
If the firearm is a handgun, then it needs to be on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it.
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Old 02-20-2013, 9:56 PM
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I think what you're trying to do is avoid driving out to a seller twice.

Thats not really going to happen if the gun is off-roster.

When you go in for the PPT, you have to be there in-person twice. Once when the other party sells it to you, and again when you pick it up. Nobody can pick it up for you, and the transfer isn't really complete until you go there in person to pick it up and finish the paperwork.

If the gun is ON the roster, you can have the seller ship the gun to an FFL near you and you have to pay the FFL's transfer fees.
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