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Old 02-20-2013, 6:44 AM
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UC gun policy points to CA state law. If you have a LTC, you are good to go on a UC campus.
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Was it legitimate rape? She should have tried urinating on him.

Too bad the student prolly won't be getting a CCW. She doesn't have "good cause" because the attack is over.
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Does UC Santa Cruz have this posted?
I do know that they have signs like these posted at the hiking trails on Empire Grade road, near the main entrances to the campus.
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This is what should be posted there; 6' 9" tall Edward Kemper at the gravesite of some of his victims on the UCSC campus – Mary Ann Pesce and Anita Luchessa. Kemper brought his victims to a secluded area and brutally choked and stabbed them to death. He then dissected their bodies and had sex with one of the victims’ corpse.
In February 1973, Kemper entered the UCSC campus and picked up 24-year-old Rosalind Thorpe 22-year-old Allison Liu. He shot them both in the head and drove their lifeless bodies back to his mother’s house where he decapitated them and sexually abused their bodies. He dumped their remains the following day.
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Any demonstration will more likely be a demand to ban assault penises
Well, a complete ban on sex would be the prudent thing to do, except for those involved in in procreation, of course. (Oh, and no sunsetting on this...)

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If you have a LTC, you can concealed carry on any campus, from preschool to old school.
Due to subjective enforcement, the vast majority of us will never have to worry about that.
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That's incorrect. If you have your ccw you are excluded from the gfsz act. Look At our ccw thread you will find the proof their, I was cleared the OK and finished my livescan for my ccw now I just need to finish my training go sac county! So iv been researching all of this...

So once I'm issued my permit I can carry legally in ANY school in CA. The school might have rules against it but it is not against the law. Most they could do is ask you to leave.

Not many ccw's in CA but were getting there in some counties. So the laws haven't been combed over here for "loopholes" (as the antis would put it) like this that allow us to carry at schools
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It's a specific felony to carry on a California university without permission of the President or Head Provost on documented letterhead,CCW or no.


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The penal code 626.9 Sections (a) & (i):

626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
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(i) Notwithstanding Section 25605, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
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Though they can not throw you in jail if you have a LTC they will mess up your day and then ask you to leave, if you return that is trespassing, and you will be arrested.

If you are an employee or student you will be fired or expelled. Also, the new Chief will probably make sure he reports the incident to whatever county issued you the LTC. To be clear, although it is not illegal if you have a LTC it is not worth it if you depend on the campus for a job or education.
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But it might be if you care more about not being raped or murdered. This is exactly the attitude the left wants. They put liberty in the balance with, in this case an education or job, and you must choose. You should choose to go to a different school or get a different job. It is worth your life and liberty. Who do 'they' think they are making you choose?
What "different" school will let you carry concealed ?

Every university, including the Red State ones, ban carry on their campuses. Its as universal as liability waiver forms. If you attend a post-secondary institution, plan on carry being banned by the school, even if its only based on property rights or administrative rules against students and faculty.

That of course assumes you'll even get the carry permit to begin with. For 18-21 year old female college students, its not gonna happen. Their choices are victimhood or jail.
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...although it is not illegal if you have a LTC it is not worth it if you depend on the campus for a job or education.
tell that to the girls that have been killed or raped while on a college campus.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/20/justic...tml?hpt=hp_bn1

The list of 10 tips by the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs was billed as "last resort" options to deter a sexual assault.

"Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating," read one tip.

"Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone," read another.
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I will never understand the fear and vulnerability a woman has to live with from birth to death on the count of her body, but I would support her choice to take protection into her own hands.

"Carry" and "conceal." No one will be the wiser...
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I will never understand the fear and vulnerability a woman has to live with from birth to death on the count of her body, but I would support her choice to take protection into her own hands.

"Carry" and "conceal." No one will be the wiser...
Yup this.

I had a CCW in both states where I attended undergrad and grad school. I carried daily.

It was nerve-wracking to say the least out of fear of someone seeing . But no one knew.
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What is that on the bottom, a Beretta FS92? I guess you can carry anything else to defend yourself against the assault lions. Looking at the upper sign, I guess we need those for rapist areas.
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Note also that separate to state law, universities retain the property rights over any area they control. A college can ban guns in its buildings from the same authority Aunt Ida does when she says guns aren't allowed in her home that means if a student/faculty member is made, they can be arrested and charged with criminal trespass in addition to being expelled/fired.
Universities might retain property rights on some laws, but CA state gun laws preempts all. Also it is not trespassing until you are ask to leave, simply having a gun on campus by CCW does not equate trespassing.

Once again, CCW on campus, under theory, can not get you prosecuted since CCW is protected on all educational campus on both state and fed level. Yes, one can get fired/expelled, but thats completely different than violating a penal code.
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She should have just peed herself or vomited. Problem solved..
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This seems to be a knock-off from http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...07073517-1.jpg
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I gave my sister-in-law my asp to carry on campus. Going to order the Kimber pepper spray gun for her, rules be damned.

One of her friends got attacked last week by some guy visiting campus who was probably on bath salts, because it took 3 guys to pull him off of the next guy he was attacking, and then he bit his own finger off & ate it. Her friend is traumatized.
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I gave my sister-in-law my asp to carry on campus. Going to order the Kimber pepper spray gun for her, rules be damned..
Dude, you won't be saying "rules be damned" when she's arrested for a felony (the asp).

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Dude, you won't be saying "rules be damned" when shes arrested for a felony (the asp).
That's why he should have given her one of these.



So that she wouldn't have to worry about power outages. . .
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While idiots argue against CCW on college campuses ...

... the only Wall Street Banker to see the inside of a jail cell is Bernie Madoff.

He went to jail not because he broke the law, but because he fleeced the 1%.

Quick! Obama is gunna git yur gunz...

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While idiots argue against CCW on college campuses ...

... the only Wall Street Banker to see the inside of a jail cell is Bernie Madoff.

He went to jail not because he broke the law, but because he fleeced the 1%.

Quick! Obama is gunna git yur gunz...

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Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything....
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Possibly, Mike. But hear me out.

Many single issue voters about guns view the prohibition against, for example, in California, owning a .50 BMG makes single issue voters declare they feel disarmed.

I understand that viewpoint. But I do not agree with it because I have other guns.

I am not a single issue voter. I view what has happened on Wall Street since 2007 to be way worse than being prohibited from owning a .50 BMG.

Why?

It's because bankers were allowed to privatize profits while socializing risks. That is, the bankers took risks with money that was not theirs, then, when they lost it, got "bailed out" by the US taxpayer.

Let's imagine a high priced .50 BMG might go for three thousand bucks.

2007 was six years ago.

I easily could have saved $500 a year to buy a .50 BMG. That's my personal perspective.

I ask myself, then, how much of our US tax payer dollars went to big banks in the "bailout"?

I would wager that enough money went to them to be able to afford a .50 BMG for every Californian over 18 years old.

That's what it has to do with everything.

The real name for that is "trickle up economics."

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Beer will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no beer. I'm glad I have beer, because Wall Street has most of the money...

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Beer will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no beer. I'm glad I have beer, because Wall Street has most of the money...

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You misquoted Freewheeling Franklin, but we get the idea...

I rarely (maybe never) agree with your posts, but I'm not a fan of Wall Street, either.
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It's because bankers were allowed to....

I ask myself, then, how much of our US tax payer dollars went to big banks in the "bailout"?



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And just exactly who "allowed" them to do this?

If I'm not mistaken, tarp has been largely repaid. The o "stimulus"? Not so much.

Regardless, the amount of tarp was a fraction of the damage done and being done every year by .gov.

Yet you want more government in our lives. $16.5T soon to be $22T debt my high information multi issue voting genius.

How do you see this fiscal train wreck ending?
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Which still has abosultely NOTHING to do with why university policies regard a woman's ability to be safe as a nuisance.
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In addition to no CCW...our institutions of higher learning pull this sickening crap:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...lleged-rapist/
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I know that LEOs may not be the best source for law, but the police chief here at Cal Poly SLO has confirmed the LTC holders are allowed to carry on campus. He even supports the idea; one of my friends is trying to start a Students for Concealed Carry chapter here and the police chief may be the advisor .
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Yet you want more government in our lives. $16.5T soon to be $22T debt my high information multi issue voting genius.

How do you see this fiscal train wreck ending?
they know that if they do "Greece-lite" now it will be seen as their fault, they are just going to let it ride so when it is finally reaches the point where "Greece-heavy" is required, it will be the conservatives fault. Just one of many scenarios though, of course.
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a young lady on the UC Santa Cruz campus was beaten and raped Sunday afternoon. Notifications and alerts went out to SOME phones and emails while others never heard a word about it until they read it in the paper or saw it on the news. The girls up there were terrified and some were already out alone and trying to get back to their dorms safely.

I'm thinking maybe a campus demonstration is in order...in support of women on college campuses everywhere. Nothing like an extremely liberal campus protesting against being victims and asking for the right to conceal carry. And yes, I have already put the idea into some heads...lol.
Apparently those ladies never heard about it because it never happened.

Did you have your demonstartion?

Police say reported rape at UCSC was a hoax.

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