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Old 02-05-2013, 7:38 PM
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since no one hasnt respond to the last thread i started..maybe this time sumone will help me out..

i bought a remington 700 tactical .308....looking for a scope.. but i dont have a clue in what to look for in a scope..i been doin sum reading online.. i see alot of people say "good glass" and one is clear than the other..but i dont have the luxury of picking up a scope and comparing them side by side..since i'll be ordering mine online..i only have by reviews to go by..

my question is.. what is good quality scope for about $500-$700..or what brands make good quality scopes and what brands should i stay away from.. i dont wanna buy a low quality brand thinkin it was good cuz it was expensive..
what features should i look for in a scope..
also what mounts are good and what makes them better than others..

i dont plan on hunting,, mainly just shooting small target at a long range. maybe up to 600 yards.. would like to have a variable zoom with a high power magnification.. so i can see what im shooting.. plan on shooting targets bout the size of spray can or clay pigeon..
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Any of these will work for ya

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/152...-reticle-matte
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I put a Hawke Sidewinder Tactical 6.5-20 on a 700SPS varmint as part of an attempt to build a sub $1000 long range gun. For the money, it is a great scope. From memory it was around $400.
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These are getting great reviews. I have been shooting one for a while they are good to go. If you know how to use the Mill dot system they are great!

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whats the difference between vortex viper and vortex viper pst
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whats the difference between vortex viper and vortex viper pst
Viper PST is their higher end line...

It goes: Vortex, Vortex HS, Vortex PST.

Viper leans more on the hunting side.
PST is more of a tactical scope.

Viper generally has the Dead Hold BDC reticle, capped turrets.

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thinkin about goin with the vortex viper 6.5-20x44 what u guys think? good scope?
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SWFA super sniper...read up on em...
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thinkin about goin with the vortex viper 6.5-20x44 what u guys think? good scope?
I think it’s a good scope, but I’m not fond of the way its setup for target shooting…

I had a couple Vortex scopes with the Dead Hold BDC reticle but in their Diamondback line… While it was good, it left a lot to be desired for a target rig.

The Viper has a Mil Dot reticle option as well, but I think the adjustments are still in MOA. It would have made sense to have that in MRAD.

The PST line for me personally makes a much better target scope. The reticle is much nicer and matches the turrets in either MOA or MRAD options.
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If you can live with a fixed magnification option SWFA is pretty awesome. Good no frills scope at about $300-400 bucks.

They have variables as well but its out of your price range.
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thinkin about goin with the vortex viper 6.5-20x44 what u guys think? good scope?
Get at least the HD, preferably the PST. The plain ol' Viper is ... well, not good. For the price, you can get something else better. But in the PST, you can't beat the value.

Another one to look at is the Burris Fullfield E1. I took a look at one and I'm sold.
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you wont regret the PST for $600. Worth every penny. Especially when you run out of turret adjustment and know you still have 30 MOA in the reticle.
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If you can live with a fixed magnification option SWFA is pretty awesome. Good no frills scope at about $300-400 bucks.

They have variables as well but its out of your price range.
The only thing I dont like about the scope is the cheesy name. Its tough, the turrets are positive, it has very decent glass, and after 7 years on my .308, it still returns to zero during box drills.

They did everything right with this scope, until they came up with the mall ninja-like name for it. I'm really happy I took the time to see past that and read the testimonials.
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thinkin about goin with the vortex viper 6.5-20x44 what u guys think? good scope?
More magnification in a lesser quality line is not the way to go. You would be better off with a PST with less magnification for the money. Dont get hung up on having a ton of magnification. You dont need that much magnification to shoot 600yds. Guys shoot 1000yds with a good quality 10x scope all day.
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More magnification in a lesser quality line is not the way to go. You would be better off with a PST with less magnification for the money. Dont get hung up on having a ton of magnification. You dont need that much magnification to shoot 600yds. Guys shoot 1000yds with a good quality 10x scope all day.
This ^^^

If you can't make a 500-800 yard shot at 5-7x mag, you won't make it with 10plus mag either. More mag = more noticeability of hold wobble and spending extra time dressing it up. You may even shoot worse with more mag.

3.5-10x with large objective and crystal clear optics is the right way to go IMHO
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Mirage was always more prevalent when I used a scope over 10x mag.
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This ^^^

If you can't make a 500-800 yard shot at 5-7x mag, you won't make it with 10plus mag either. More mag = more noticeability of hold wobble and spending extra time dressing it up. You may even shoot worse with more mag.

3.5-10x with large objective and crystal clear optics is the right way to go IMHO
makes sense..i never done long range shooting. but i do sum shooting with my 22lr and i notice i do better with iron sights than i do with the scope..unless i shooting rabbits..scope comes in handy..some of those rabbits blend so well with their surroundings that sumtimes its hard to spot em with the naked eye..
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More magnification in a lesser quality line is not the way to go. You would be better off with a PST with less magnification for the money. Dont get hung up on having a ton of magnification. You dont need that much magnification to shoot 600yds. Guys shoot 1000yds with a good quality 10x scope all day.
oh ok.. didnt know that.. i never used a high power scope..so i dont know how far u can see with a 16x magnification. just figured the more magnification the better.. so for my price range and target shooting, i should stick to one of these scopes?

also whats the difference between target and huntings scopes? im gonna guess target scopes has more fine tune adjustments to get tight shot groups at long range while hunting is still accurate,, its simple so that u have more time to make that kill shot n instead of screwing with the knobs n losing ur chance of makin that kill

thanks everyone for responding to my post and helping me out.. hope i can get good enough and gain enough knowledge that sumday i'll be one the helping out others n givin advice..
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I think it’s a good scope, but I’m not fond of the way its setup for target shooting…

I had a couple Vortex scopes with the Dead Hold BDC reticle but in their Diamondback line… While it was good, it left a lot to be desired for a target rig.

The Viper has a Mil Dot reticle option as well, but I think the adjustments are still in MOA. It would have made sense to have that in MRAD.

The PST line for me personally makes a much better target scope. The reticle is much nicer and matches the turrets in either MOA or MRAD options.
whats ebr-1 moa and ebr-1 mrad?
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whats ebr-1 moa and ebr-1 mrad?
The Viper PST is avalible with two different reticles, and turrets to match...

Just pick what you prefer to use... MOA or MRAD.

Reticle Subtension examples for the 6-24x50 SFP

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http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/...0_ebr1_moa.jpg

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If you add $36.00 to your budget, you can get a Bushnell 3-12X44 FFP with the G2DMR reticle. The G2 reticle is far better for long range shooting than a standard mil dot. You can easily use the reticle for elavation and windage holds out to the effective range of most calibers without having to dial in adjustments. If you feel the need to dial anyway, the Bushnell has flawless tracking and .1 mil adjustments that match the reticle dimensions. One of the deciding factors for me to go with this scope on my SPR was the side parallax adjustment. Many of the scopes in it's price range lack this feature, which IMHO is a must have for a long range optic. It doesn't matter how clear the glass is on a scope, if you can't dial out the effects of parallax at varying distances, it will end up limiting the rifles potential accuracy.

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If you add $36.00 to your budget, you can get a Bushnell 3-12X44 FFP with the G2DMR reticle. The G2 reticle is far better for long range shooting than a standard mil dot. You can easily use the reticle for elavation and windage holds out to the effective range of most calibers without having to dial in adjustments. If you feel the need to dial anyway, the Bushnell has flawless tracking and .1 mil adjustments that match the reticle dimensions. One of the deciding factors for me to go with this scope on my SPR was the side parallax adjustment. Many of the scopes in it's price range lack this feature, which IMHO is a must have for a long range optic. It doesn't matter how clear the glass is on a scope, if you can't dial out the effects of parallax at varying distances, it will end up limiting the rifles potential accuracy.

http://www.thedigitaloasis.com/BUS-E...G_p_18051.html

I’ve always been tempted to try one of those scopes with the G2DMR reticle… Its another worthy consideration.

OP, for your benefit… Here is what the G2DMR reticle looks like in comparison to the Vortex…

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I’ve always been tempted to try one of those scopes with the G2DMR reticle… Its another worthy consideration.

OP, for your benefit… Here is what the G2DMR reticle looks like in comparison to the Vortex…

http://www.howardcommunications.com/...ages/G2DMR.jpg
One interesting thing I've noticed with the G2 reticle: In addition to the 10 mils of holdover points marked on the inner portion of the reticle, there are more holdover points at each mil spacing down the entire length of each leg of the reticle as well. In the image, the legs of the reticle look pretty solid, but in fact, you can actually see through them to a certain extent. By dialing back on the magnification, you expose more holdover points due to the FFP function of the reticle. When dialed back to 8X, you could conceivably hold around 20 mils or so of elevation. This would be enough to lob a 308 to a considerable distance. Granted, the reduced magnification would also reduce the precision at extended ranges, but you could still throw lead out past ranges you could dial out to with a standard mil dot reticle.
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If you add $36.00 to your budget, you can get a Bushnell 3-12X44 FFP with the G2DMR reticle. The G2 reticle is far better for long range shooting than a standard mil dot. You can easily use the reticle for elavation and windage holds out to the effective range of most calibers without having to dial in adjustments. If you feel the need to dial anyway, the Bushnell has flawless tracking and .1 mil adjustments that match the reticle dimensions. One of the deciding factors for me to go with this scope on my SPR was the side parallax adjustment. Many of the scopes in it's price range lack this feature, which IMHO is a must have for a long range optic. It doesn't matter how clear the glass is on a scope, if you can't dial out the effects of parallax at varying distances, it will end up limiting the rifles potential accuracy.

http://www.thedigitaloasis.com/BUS-E...G_p_18051.html


You are wind's ***** at distance, and the only way to tame it quickly at tactical speeds is within the scope's retical, which is why it's worth going with this G2 based Bushnell if tactical use is a consideration.

If you don't really care about tactical speed for LR shooting, then you shouldn't really care about milspec durability either, which is why I would then suggest a much cheaper solution for occasional range use:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456...-reticle-matte
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You are wind's ***** at distance, and the only way to tame it quickly at tactical speeds is within the scope's retical, which is why it's worth going with this G2 based Bushnell if tactical use is a consideration.

If you don't really care about tactical speed for LR shooting, then you shouldn't really care about milspec durability either, which is why I would then suggest a much cheaper solution for occasional range use:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456...-reticle-matte
I was wondering why that scope looked familiar when I clicked on the link…

I would venture to guess the PA version is an OEM?
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I was wondering why that scope looked familiar when I clicked on the link…

I would venture to guess the PA version is an OEM?
https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...pa4-14xffp.htm
I haven't had a chance to handle one of the PA versions, but they do look very similar to the BSA scope, which I have. The BSA is a pretty decent scope for a low end tactical style scope. Decent glass, and the reticle is spot on for ranging and holds. It's more of an MP-8 style reticle rather than a standard mil dot. The additional hash marks on the lower leg are good for holdover points out to around 900 yards or so with a 308, depending on bullet type and velocity. The internal travel is somewhat limited though. I wasn't able to dial it out to 1000 yards on my 308 AR. Total internal travel on mine is slightly less than 20 mils, or around 65 moa.
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Vortex viper PST with MRAD reticle. Or the bushnell elite 6500 with mil-dot.
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+1 for Vortex viper PST at16 power.

As has been said, more mag with same quality of glass generally does you no favors.

The PST line is really nice, I just mounted my 4-16 up to my new savage 308. Took it out to 850 yds, no problem. Here she is at the range.

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I have the EBR MOA reticle. Vortex PST is best bang for your buck and the 100% no questions asked warranty for life sealed the deal for me.

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madjack, what do you think of the new line -up for the SS? I have fixed 20. guess it's been a while since i looked at the SS lineup but i see they now have more expensive models that have ffp.

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The only thing I dont like about the scope is the cheesy name. Its tough, the turrets are positive, it has very decent glass, and after 7 years on my .308, it still returns to zero during box drills.

They did everything right with this scope, until they came up with the mall ninja-like name for it. I'm really happy I took the time to see past that and read the testimonials.
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I have just placed an order on another Sightron SIII 8-32x56 with moa reticle. I have three rifles and now they all have the Sightron SIIIs.
If you want to shoot a small target at long range, you need a higher power scope with a fine reticle. I have shot side by side with a Nightfoce with the Sightron SIII and I could not tell any difference between the two.
What you look for a long range scope is clarity (30mm tube or larger), elevation travel (the more the better), eye relief (minimum 3.5") especially if you are shooting magnum.
For rings, I like Burris Zee Signature but there are many other rings available.
For base, for long range get a 20 moa base.
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Cannot tell the difference between a Nightforce and a Sightron??? You must be kidding. Or blinder than I even am. Not to metion the durablity issue between the two.
When have you ever seen a sightron on a mil sniper rifle? There are lots of Nightforce scopes on them.
Just how long have you been shooting or using scopes?
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On one was talking about the durability of the NFscope. Even if I was the cost difference is around $1000.00 and the Sightron is also a life time warranty.
Have you ever shot the two scope side by side?
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On one was talking about the durability of the NFscope. Even if I was the cost difference is around $1000.00 and the Sightron is also a life time warranty.
Have you ever shot the two scope side by side?
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Sightron makes some really nice benchrest scopes… Their high magnification scopes with thin crosshairs are a good value for target work but I don’t think they compare to Nightforce in terms of durability.

Nightforce has earned a reputation for making a very stout scope with excellent tracking.

Even if optical clarity is similar I don’t think I would put both brands in the same class.
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I have a used leupold vari-xIII 3.5x10 with adj front paralax. Du plex retical older model thats hard to find.It came off my elk gun.Bad back can't elk hunt no more.425.00. My ad is posted.
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Cannot tell the difference between a Nightforce and a Sightron??? You must be kidding. Or blinder than I even am. Not to metion the durablity issue between the two.
When have you ever seen a sightron on a mil sniper rifle? There are lots of Nightforce scopes on them.
Just how long have you been shooting or using scopes?

Everyone's eyes are a little different, one may appear better than another to you. That being said, I own four Nightforce 12-42x BR's and five Sightron SIII10-50x60's. I have compared them quite literally side by side, to my eyes if there's any optical difference, it's likely in my head.

They both track perfectly. They are both very clear. I do not consider my rifles as tools, so they are not treated as such...I've had the Nightforces much longer but, haven't sent either brand in for repair. Durability hasn't been an issue for either.

For shooting at static targets, Sightron wins due to price.

For scanning around, looking for varmints, the Nightforce has a wider range of land that stays in focus. The Sightron's I have, have a very narrow focus range (ie, side focus dialed in for 1K yard target, you can probably see 975-1050 yds. clearly, anything else is out of focus.) I've been told the lower power Sightrons are not as sensitive.

If they were the same price, I would pick Nightforce everytime as I prefer their reticles. They are not, so, take the above for what it's worth. Sightron's SIII line is one of the best values in higher powered scopes out there. You have to shop around, there's quite a range in prices from various vendors.


OP- A Sightron SIII 6-24x or 8-32x can be had for right around $700. That's what I'd be looking at.


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