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Old 09-28-2007, 9:13 AM
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Default Are there any higher powered red dot scopes

I see red dots all day but they are only 1x and I am looking for 2x and higher. Not looking for high end just something decent. Any suggestions?
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:39 AM
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What about adding a magnifier - an eotech and a mag? Or are you looking for a 1 piece setup?
Edit: The magnifiers are more expensive than that damn eotech
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Unless you want to use a magnifier or something crappy you are looking at a 1 or 2x for a red dot. There are things like ACOGS but they aren't really red dots in the traditional since. What you probably are wanting is something in a 1-4 magnification like the Millet DMS-1 scope. It can be used like an Aimpoint but then function as a scope for longer ranges.
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Old 09-28-2007, 11:30 AM
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All the magnified, red dot style optics are fairly high end solutions. I don't know too many that are relatively inexpensive except a few scopes like the Millet DMS-1 and the GRSC Combat Rifle Scope which aren't really red dot style optics.
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Old 09-28-2007, 11:48 AM
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How about "mid-end?" Burris XTS 235. Not sure if they're available yet since the last time I looked for one was quite a few months ago.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/tactical2.html
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How about ELCAN SPECTRE DR, high end but WOW what an optic, got one on my "M4" goes from 1X to 4x with the flick of a lever. Red dot and BDC reticle, also illuminated. Worth every penny. No need to buy anything else.
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How about "mid-end?" Burris XTS 235. Not sure if they're available yet since the last time I looked for one was quite a few months ago.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/tactical2.html
There's a report over at arfcom that Burris is discontinuing this one, due to problems with it not holding zero when switching from one reticle to the other. I haven't seen anything official from Burris, but it's something to consider.
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I would suggest that the whole concept of a magnified red dot makes zero sense.

The reason to use a red dot is for unlimited relief, both eyes open viewing with imperfect cheek welds in a CQB situation.

When you add a magnifier you force your head in line, change to one eye and have limited relief range. This is called a scope. Now, the magnifier/red dot combination makes sense as it allows both options, but unless you buy the expensive variable versions (ELCAN), your eye relief is still limited in low magnification red dots and scopes. It's not too pronounced at, say, 2X, but it becomes much more noticeable above that.

I would simply get a decent illuminated scope. It will do what you want.
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Trijicon Accupoint 1.25 to 4 not a true red dot but close. 1" tube. $500 and up.

Meopta Meostar with K-dot reticle. True 1 to 4 30mm tube. $700 and up.

There are others but more expensive. There might be cheaper ones I don't know them.
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I was all set to buy an Elcan Specter DR but luckily I had the chance to play with one. It is NOT a reflex-style red dot which means that even at 1X you still have to have your head aligned and you have eye relief issues to deal with.

I have an EOTech with a 3X magnifier behind it. IMO this is the best of both worlds. For close in the magnifier flips out of they way and I have a TRUE 1X red-dot with unlimited eye relief for both-eyes-open running and gunning w/ the 65 MOA ring. For distance work I can flip the magnifier in and use the 1 MOA dot for precise work. Cost ~$800 for the sight and magnifier - You can do the same thing w/ a 2X for ~$500.

You can also do the above w/ an aimpoint but the smallest center do tthey offer is 2 MOA so under magnification it can start obscuring the target.

The variable power scopes like the Meopta K-Dot or Millet DMS-1 are nice as you can vary the power for different applications but I don't like having to deal w/ eye relief at 1X.
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