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Old 03-06-2013, 9:55 PM
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Gotcha.. Well kinda haha, Howa bout the mag release?
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Para sent me an e-mail saying they shipped my parts! It only took 14 business days. I did call and change/add things twice, might have something to do with it. Hopefully there are a couple of sear springs in there. They said they had 1 for sure. Also, a 5 pack of p12 castings showed up yesterday so I can (and will) mess up my original. Para ordnance must be owned by Remington arms, according to my credit card bill
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My frames came in the mail today all 5 p12's. So do the p12's take commander slides like the p13? Or is it basically an officers model?
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The p12 comes with a 3.5" barrel, the p13 comes with 4.25". The dust cover might be the same length. I'm hoping I can use a 4.25" on my p12
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My frames came in the mail today all 5 p12's. So do the p12's take commander slides like the p13? Or is it basically an officers model?
A commander or an officers will fit.
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llama minimax is an officers size slide that is cheap enough and available for the P12 build
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Today I assembled most of the parts but realized I didn't have a commander sized recoil spring and my Fusion slide apparently uses a .38/9mm firing pin so my 45 acp pin was too big!







HERE IS A VIDEO OF THE TRIGGER/SAFETIES WORKING-->> http://s1355.beta.photobucket.com/us...5e557.mp4.html

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llama minimax is an officers size slide that is cheap enough and available for the P12 build
Ima try to pick one of these slides up next paycheck. They have the max-compact and the minimax, the only prob I c is getting the extractor.

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Today I assembled most of the parts but realized I didn't have a commander sized recoil spring and my Fusion slide apparently uses a .38/9mm firing pin so my 45 acp pin was too big!







HERE IS A VIDEO OF THE TRIGGER/SAFETIES WORKING-->> http://s1355.beta.photobucket.com/us...5e557.mp4.html


Looks good bro, I'll be starting mine as soon as the tooling shows.

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Thanks jinjyr for the Info. It seems there are a couple Llama/Para clones to choose from, and just maybe a good source for sear springs and msh?
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Looks great Brian.

Llama is out of business so the parts availability is limited, the barrel and slide can be had for about $120.00, but like Mr already commented the extractor is not readily available.

A good ramped barrel is available from Storm Lake for about 170.00, The mainspring housing at Smith & Alexander is 37.00 and is listed as P12/P10, so the warthog mainspring parts should work, as well as the mainspring housing. The trigger is about 30.00 and the mag release is 20.00. So for about 260.00 all the oddball parts are right there. These are all quality parts, no plastic. So, now if somebody wants to try the para block and report in that would lower the cost on barrels if a standard barrel would work with the para block. Parts are out there, just have to look hard. The sear spring is still a little bit of a grey area, somebody has to have them.
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Looks great Brian.

Llama is out of business so the parts availability is limited, the barrel and slide can be had for about $120.00, but like Mr already commented the extractor is not readily available.

A good ramped barrel is available from Storm Lake for about 170.00, The mainspring housing at Smith & Alexander is 37.00 and is listed as P12/P10, so the warthog mainspring parts should work, as well as the mainspring housing. The trigger is about 30.00 and the mag release is 20.00. So for about 260.00 all the oddball parts are right there. These are all quality parts, no plastic. So, now if somebody wants to try the para block and report in that would lower the cost on barrels if a standard barrel would work with the para block. Parts are out there, just have to look hard. The sear spring is still a little bit of a grey area, somebody has to have them.
The Para Block wont work with a standard 1911 slide assembly, it was made to work with the mech tech carbine upper. From what I have read the upper attaches to the slide stop and does not use the traditional barrel foot and link.

Now with some work it may be possible but I would think you would at least want to braze it in place to prevent it from moving around during cycling.
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I have been following this thread since it opened. I am now starting to collect parts. got my brand new ramped para barrel in yesterday. but of course i ordered it too long. its a 5in. anyone have any pix of the barrel seat after its been cut for the ramped barrel? or of an actual p12 or so?
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I have been following this thread since it opened. I am now starting to collect parts. got my brand new ramped para barrel in yesterday. but of course i ordered it too long. its a 5in. anyone have any pix of the barrel seat after its been cut for the ramped barrel? or of an actual p12 or so?
google image search "ramped barrel" 3rd one over
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Top is a para/clark
Bottom is a Wilson/nowlin
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Old 03-08-2013, 2:18 PM
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The question is what ramp is better and why?

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Old 03-08-2013, 3:22 PM
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From what I know about ramps is the Clark/Para is easier to machine, one setup vs two. There are instances out there about shearing the lower lugs on all of the barrel systems for the 1911, the Clark/Para writings reflect that after the radius was added to the top of the vertical impact surface the failure rate dropped. I suppose that could be true considering the sharp corner at the top of the vertical impact surface on both designs could become a stress concentration point and start cracking there.

I like ease of operation and minimal setups, in my mind if I can setup the frame make two cuts with two endmills and then fine tune I am good. The tooling to cut the vertical impact surface on the wilson/nowlin ramp setup requires two setups and two cutters, one being a specialty cutter. Just my opinion but for a ramped barrel I will stay with Clark/Para.

Just a note, ramped or not ramped 1911 barrel systems are subject to fatigue and fracture if they are not properly timed and fitted.
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Old 03-08-2013, 3:39 PM
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Cool thanks for the info!

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So now that the Woody13 distraction is banned... What is the latest with pictures and progress on the build? Just banter...Is the alloy frame the way from Sarco?
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So with me now having a 5in barrel will it cause an issue? i had in my mind to add a compensator.
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Old 03-08-2013, 5:54 PM
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So now that the Woody13 distraction is banned... What is the latest with pictures and progress on the build? Just banter...Is the alloy frame the way from Sarco?
Lol, I wonder why he got banned?

Im going to start my frames as soon as the tooling arrives, I have a alloy frame from sarco but I'll do that one last. I'm currently waiting on mags, tooling and time haha I'll try to doc as much as I can, later tonight I plan on working on the jig.

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Ps I got my ares frames in today too =) pretty excited about that.
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Old 03-08-2013, 5:57 PM
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So with me now having a 5in barrel will it cause an issue? i had in my mind to add a compensator.
Depends in what slide you plan on using.
You should post exactly what you have already and mabe some one can chime in.

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Pics Pics pix!
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So anywho I found a Llama slide commander style for about 70 bones complete.
Its a p12 double stack knock off. I also found for the same compact model sear springs on Numrich. So that's the route I'm taking. Any advice?
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:03 PM
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Where did you find that slide complete?
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:12 PM
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Also are you sure it's the same spring?
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The springs I found are for a p10 clone. There's a chance they won't fit. But they are pretty cheap so what harm could it do? Here's a couple slides I've found. I just hope no one jacks the auctions I'm actually bidding on.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=331984041
And here's two more officer sized
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=331984769
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1383670.htm
and here's an extractor
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/125600.htm

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When I was looking on numrich I just seen the slides and barrels, guess I really wasn't looking for assembly. haha good catch!

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Thanks, This way I figure I could spend more on a really good barrel and have it
fitted to the slide. I going for a commander now, but I'd really like the officer size.
I guess someday down the road now especially we're getting our Rudii!
Have you done anymore on the lda? I'm really curios how that's turning out.
Pics maybe?

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I'm also wondering how bonedocs' coming along with his dilemma. In that situation do you open up the firing pin hole...or go in another direction? Is slide mass an obstacle in that equation?
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I'm also wondering how bonedocs' coming along with his dilemma. In that situation do you open up the firing pin hole...or go in another direction? Is slide mass an obstacle in that equation?
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All the Llama barrels I have seen are not ramped, anyone found one that would work? Price is right on them I will end up building one if it doesnt cost me an arm and a leg to get the required parts.
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The casting is cut for a clark/para ramped barrel, however there is an insert called a parablock, it can be found here...http://www.firearmsystems.net/shop/A...m#.UTVoczfKT_R, looks like a problem waiting to happen, it says it allows the mech tech ccu to be used on frames that are cut for a ramped barrel, doesn't say which ramp exactly and I didn't look into too deeply, but you never know, it might work.

A standard sear spring(leaf spring) will not work, it is too long. I am going to get my hands on a sear spring for a warthog and see if it will work. My castings aren't cut for the sear spring yet, but it appears that some are. Otherwise it looks like a there might be a few sacrificial sear springs in my future. It appears to be be about 0.25" shorter than a standard, with the sear in place the hook at the bottom sits right at the bottom of the frame. Unless you are lucky enough to have one like Brians which his on this post is a P13, mine and several others here have the P12.

My plan is to use the series 80 plate in the frame, the cut out is there for the series 80 firing pin block. Unless I happen across a deal on a series 80 slide. The firing pin block doesn't really effect the trigger pull all that much, especially if it is set at 3.5 to 5 pounds, I have both and I really don't mind them that much. Polish the pieces and check for dragging and it is fine.
I think you can discount the ParaBlock, it won't work because the Block is the same size thickness as the space for the legs on the barrel where the link pin goes (ask me how i know) after buying 2 of them..
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My frames came in the mail today all 5 p12's. So do the p12's take commander slides like the p13? Or is it basically an officers model?
Check out this link for Para sizes...
http://www.fountainfirearms.com/para-ordnance/para.htm
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[ATTACH]212973Cutting the frame for a Ramped Barrel... Copied from Brownells...

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So today I was really excited to finish (ceramic coat) the frame and slide. I used this stuff, because I am cheap and it was on sale at Brownells with really good reviews.



I followed the direction exactly and the finish looked great - but it's very fragile and I can scratch it off by looking at it too hard.

Anyways - I assembled the rest of the gun (except for the firing pin and recoil spring, which are in the mail).

The gun feels great in the hand and all the safeties work. I did have to file down the grip safety as it was preventing a trigger reset. It still sticks slightly to the MSH which I can deal with. Hopefully this thing will fire and cycle properly!





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Lookin good man! Nothing new on the lda yet, waiting for tooling for that aswell. As soon as I make any progress I'll post pics.


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That's one inspirational build brianbonedoc! Can't wait till it's finished to get the range report.
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I'm also wondering how bonedocs' coming along with his dilemma. In that situation do you open up the firing pin hole...or go in another direction? Is slide mass an obstacle in that equation?
You just get the smaller firing pin.
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Hey guys just a update, I was susposed to make the p12 jig this weekend but had some family come up from SoCal. I'm going to try to make it this week, I'll try ti take lots of pics. Still waiting on tooling for the LDA, and a few undercut/key cutters. I also have a 3/4 ball nose end mill on the way(Thursday).

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