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Old 02-26-2013, 6:47 PM
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wpage, your friend is not being very clear about the mag release location. On any milspec style 1911 the mag release is in the same location with respect to the slide release, that is why 99% of the magazines from reputable manufacturers will fit in any 1911 pistol, officers to 6" to kimber ultra, any single stack based off the 1911 frame. The para's and other double stacks are not standard to each other and do not match the 1911, with respect to the slide release. By the way, the slide release on the 1911 is the machining zero for that frame. So pick up an extended length 1911 magazine and slam it into a kimber ultra, springfield compact or colt officers and it will fit and lock and likely shoot till it's empty. However, the double stacks won't do that, unless you stay within the same manufacturer, like para 14 to 10, 14 will fit the 13, 12, 10.
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wpage, your friend is not being very clear about the mag release location. On any milspec style 1911 the mag release is in the same location with respect to the slide release, that is why 99% of the magazines from reputable manufacturers will fit in any 1911 pistol, officers to 6" to kimber ultra, any single stack based off the 1911 frame. The para's and other double stacks are not standard to each other and do not match the 1911, with respect to the slide release. By the way, the slide release on the 1911 is the machining zero for that frame. So pick up an extended length 1911 magazine and slam it into a kimber ultra, springfield compact or colt officers and it will fit and lock and likely shoot till it's empty. However, the double stacks won't do that, unless you stay within the same manufacturer, like para 14 to 10, 14 will fit the 13, 12, 10.
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I was going to use a drill press to finish it. I believe I could do it. Just need the right drill bits and stuff.
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Also thanks for the info on the castings
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I was going to use a drill press to finish it. I believe I could do it. Just need the right drill bits and stuff.
Maby for a 80 but def not for a sarco casting.

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Anybody have a CNC mill I could borrow? Lol
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Old 02-26-2013, 9:13 PM
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Or a manual mill with a

If you were closer I'd help you haha

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What would you guys recommend as an alternative to a Drill press? Can't be too expensive. Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-26-2013, 9:19 PM
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Sounds like its time to make some friends haha

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Yeah, just took a quick look online and mini mills I saw were starting around $1000
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Old 02-26-2013, 9:38 PM
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I bought my grizzly g0704 for $1200(no dro) and Cnc'ed it. You would be better off finding some one that has a mill and showing you the basics.... If you just wanna buy something rule of thumb is the tooling cost as much as the machine haha

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Wow. Definitely getting one in the future but for now i'll have to find a local shop.
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Sorry for thread jacking OP
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Brian, for safety sake be careful with that barrel seat. Don't take this the wrong way, just trying to help. I have to say that barrel seat area looks pretty rough. The issue I see is that the barrel vertical impact surface is not there for a wilson/nowlin ramp setup. This will cause a catastrophic failure at some point. The major issue is that the barrel link will be the only thing stopping the barrels rearward movement when it is fired, this is bad. The link stretches, screws up the timing and snaps, and/or as the link stretches it causes issues with the upper locking lugs and starts to peen and possibly shear those, in the slide or on the barrel or both. You might be able to weld up an area in the radius to create a flat surface but the wilson/nowlin ramp vertical impact surface is a pita to machine and the tooling is quite expensive. Get a copy of the Schuemann timing procedure and check that setup, it is an excellent source of info. If you google 1911 barrel timing you will find the article. The tools can be made from standard feeler guages and spring stock, I don't know if they are available. Be careful with that, we don't want to see post build pics of a fubar slide, barrel, frame, HAND!
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Be careful with that, we don't want to see post build pics of a fubar slide, barrel, frame, HAND!
+1 on that. Looks good though btw
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Old 02-27-2013, 6:43 AM
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Hoag - yeah that Sheurman article I did read and that's why I had to put more material back into to seat. I know it looks rough so far but the barrel pushes back and stops on the seat just as the link engages. Before I put the metal back, the barrel link was all that was supporting it and I was very worried about what u described. I used their barrel testkit and I think I have it pretty close - I just have to clean it up and make it look prettier!
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Hmm just remembered one of my friends is in an engineering class at our school. And he can use the CNC mill. Maybe I can get him to let me use it
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I got the 45287 a few weeks ago. Thanks to an ebay auction on some used grips, I know mine is a p-12. I'll be waiting for parts to come before I start any work. I got some 14rd p14 mags trusting the description and thinking they might sell out before I got the casting. Luckily the p14 mags fit anyway, not a total waste of $60.
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I got the 45287 a few weeks ago. Thanks to an ebay auction on some used grips, I know mine is a p-12. I'll be waiting for parts to come before I start any work. I got some 14rd p14 mags trusting the description and thinking they might sell out before I got the casting. Luckily the p14 mags fit anyway, not a total waste of $60.
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Just ordered my frame we'll see how this goes. I'm glad you are doing this project and documenting it here. It makes for a good tutorial
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Nice job so far. P13 grips from Para fit as do some aftermarket grips. All the ones I bought fit so far.
The 4" slides from Sarco fit. for $15 and a little work you save a few hundred on the slide.
I received my order in about 10 days after ordering. Some friends bought at the same time and haven't received anything.
If you want to manganese or zinc phosphate after your done milling. I am equiped.
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Nice job so far. P13 grips from Para fit as do some aftermarket grips. All the ones I bought fit so far.
The 4" slides from Sarco fit. for $15 and a little work you save a few hundred on the slide.
I received my order in about 10 days after ordering. Some friends bought at the same time and haven't received anything.
If you want to manganese or zinc phosphate after your done milling. I am equiped.
What do you have to finish on the slide? Rails of course but what else?
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looks like: slide rails, extractor and firing pin hole, sight cuts, hammer relief, more if you want to go series 80?. I wish that was "a little work" for me. I'm looking at $227 for a caspian. Cross that bridge when I get the rest up and running though
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I just received in the mail my 1/4" x 1/16" keyseat cutter used to cut the slot for the mag catch release.



I went down .110" deep and 0.053 forward toward the trigger with the keyseat cutter.



Then I assembled the gun without all the springs and stuff, just a quick fitting.











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Wow! This has come together fast
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Looking good bro, I received my frames today. I'll prob take some pics and post them here if that's ok.

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Old 02-28-2013, 10:34 PM
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Here they are, I got 3 carbon, 1alloy and 1LDA frame. I also picked up a few different slides. 1 type1,1 type 2, and one commander casting.... Looks like the type1-2 are already heat treated casting isn't. Ina see if I can turn the lda into a std 1911 frame..








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If you can turn that LDA frame into a regular frame I think I'll have to order a few for future products
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:48 PM
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Funny thing is there's a review(sarco web site) that says mags don't fit, but mine fits alittle loose haha

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If you don't mind me asking what's completed on the grade 1 slide?

Edit: I saw that review made me not want to get one.
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Rails, ejector, disconnecter ramp? Are all cut, firing pin is spot drilled and the extractor is partially drilled. Still needs quite a bit of work like lugs, upper and lower dia needs to be opened up etc.

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brianbonedoc hope you dont mind us all jumping in on your thread haha.

Mr. what frames did you get p13? I specifically asked for p14 or p13 in the order comments so I hope that is what shows up, mine have been shipped.

Anyone have a source for finished slides minus serrations? Preferably cheap haha. What about cheaper barrels? The ones I have found so far are $200+ and are out 8-10 weeks!
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Brain, If there's a problem posting my pics I will edit my post, lmk bud.

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Joe - feel free to post away! I think it would be helpful to keep the tips/tricks in one thread.
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Thanks for the info on the slide. Probably going to get a finished slide for my first build.
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Cool, btw all the frames that showed up except for the single stack are p12's.
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I've been searching for differences between the P12 and P13 on google but no luck. All I've found are people asking which one is better for conceal carry. Can somebody that has both frames enlighten me? Thanks in advance.
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I got my commander slide from fusion firearms - it was pricey but came w Novak sight cuts - also ordered the ramped barrel - total was about $440ish
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I tink ima order a few p14 lda frames and a few more single stack frames aswell, what's the differance between a .45 and 9mm slide? Also what's the differance between .45 and .40 or 10mm slides

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