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Old 09-17-2016, 11:34 AM
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A friend has one that he wants to sell. This is one rifle that was never on my radar. I only found out about them after he told me about it. He didn't know what it was. He bought it at least 50 years ago. He showed me a few pics.

It seems from what I read on the interweb is that they are a solid rifle. They don't have the same heat treat issues as early 1903 rifles. I am looking for a good shooter. As I get older(go figure), I appreciate old battle rifles more.

What are your opinions on this rifle?
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Great rifle. Smooooooth bolt.
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They're neat, but I find them a little too chubby / unwieldy for my tastes and i'm a big guy.

Much rather have a 1903 / 03a3.
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That's what Alvin York shot. Love tjem. Sights are far superior to the 1903.
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Love the Model 1917. Eddystone marked parts with E, R for Remington, and W for Winchester. Stocks will be marked at the tip. Typically found in a mix of parts, so an all E is a bonus. Hefty stock, considerably more pleasant to shoot than a 1903 in both the recoil department as well as sights (although 1903 sights are neat once you become accustomed). Is it still in military configuration? Nothing sadder than a 1917 with its poor ears ground off.
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"good shooter" Can't promise that, depends on condition.

Great rifle. My Wife has one and very fun to shoot.
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The M1917 is a solid choice. As Father Ted stated, they were made by Eddystone, Remington, and Winchester during WWI. I have the original design, a P14 in .303 British and it is an excellent rifle. Hopefully the one you are looking at is still in it's original configuration. Do you have a muzzle gauge, if so see what it reads? If not, use M2 ball ammo (like HXP) and see how far the bullet goes into the muzzle. Hopefully you still see a lot of the bullet.
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They're neat, but I find them a little too chubby / unwieldy for my tastes and i'm a big guy.

Much rather have a 1903 / 03a3.
I have a 1903. Maybe I will find a 03a3 someday but this 1917 is here now.
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Heavy and awkward to some, I have held the sporterized versions and they
seem less awkward, but my 03s where my favorites. If you like it, buy it. I
hunted for 10 years with a M1 Garand, heavy but better feel.

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Wasn't there some kind of receiver issues that could happen on Eddystone rifles that have had the barrels replaced? IIRC I heard that some stress cracks could develop around the threads in the receiver.
That being said, I have a Remington and I enjoy shooting it more than my 03A3.
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I almost bought one at a shop in Kingman, they are sweet rifles. Couldn't agree on a price for my budget so I bought an 1894 Winchester instead as a consolation prize. Would still love to own one someday. But it!
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Heavy, but IMO far superior sights to the M1903. If it's not sporterized, and the price is right, I'd jump on it.
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I watched a bunch of youtube videos on the rifle. I think I decided to buy the rifle. I might see the guy tomorrow. I'm pretty sure I can get a decent price.

In some of the videos, the shooters seemed to hang up the bolt on the close. No matter how hard they tried to be smooth. I think they were trying too hard to cycle the bolt quickly and look smooth while doing it.
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Please send us some pix when you can.....and maybe a range report.
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A morph of the Brit P14 rifle. Very British in its design. Somewhat clunky when compared to a smooth M98 or US1903. Own/drive/fix a Land Rover from the 1950's and you will get what I mean. Cocks on closing. Built like a Mack truck. If the bore is worn (quite a few are) try .311 Match Kings before you toss the barrel, they have been known to tighten the group significantly.
Eddystones were built by Remington under contract to Uncle Sam at the Baldwin Locomotive plant in Eddystone, Penn.
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Wasn't there some kind of receiver issues that could happen on Eddystone rifles that have had the barrels replaced? IIRC I heard that some stress cracks could develop around the threads in the receiver.
That being said, I have a Remington and I enjoy shooting it more than my 03A3.
It is the general concensus that all US Model 1917 rifles had the barrels screwed on by 400 pound gorillas using 4' cheater bars.

Without proper tools and technique. Many have been ruined during rebarrel jobs.

Proper procedure is to cut a relief groove using a hacksaw. Just forward of the reciever ring to ease thread tension in the ring. Let soak for a few days using a good penetrant. Then, and only then, use proper reciever wrench to unscrew barrel.

My Eddyrock has original barrel in excellent condition and before my eyes went south. I could hold 3" 5 shot groups at 100 yrds with original sights.
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Eddystones are the same quality receivers as a Remington. Many were re-barreled at a later re-arsenal, and the ones with a "JA" marked barrel (Johnson Automatic) were the ones that had failures. Not all of them, just the ones that King Kong over tightened the barrels on, and caused micro cracks in the receiver ring.
On top of the barrel, right behind the front sight, will be the flaming bomb proof, the year date, and the letter marking for who made the barrel.
It holds 6 rounds instead of five. This is because the original P-14 that it was designed modified from, used the Brit .303 with a rimmed case. Without a rim, another round of 30/06 fit in the mag.
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Here's a pic of my Winchester P14. The only real design difference (other than caliber) between the P14 and M1917 is the volley sight, the M1917 never had them installed.




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Wasn't there some kind of receiver issues that could happen on Eddystone rifles that have had the barrels replaced? IIRC I heard that some stress cracks could develop around the threads in the receiver.
That being said, I have a Remington and I enjoy shooting it more than my 03A3.
Yes, the Eddystone front receiver rings could develop small cracks after rebarreling.
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Great rifle, I love mine. Somewhat undervalued compared to 1903's. Cock on close action takes a bit of getting used to.
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many were sporerized in the 50s 60s because the action is very strong and it will accommodate many long magnum calibers. My dad got one in the 50s and had weatherby in south gate chamber it for 300 magnum. I shot it many times.The bolt design allows for most scope mountings without interference.
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Here's a pic of my Winchester P14. The only real design difference (other than caliber) between the P14 and M1917 is the volley sight, the M1917 never had them installed.




There is another difference. The 1917 has a cone breach, makes for smooth feeding, the P14 does not, but the larger bolt face is better for magnum rechambering. For a milsurp shooter, though, that is picking nits.
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Thanks for setting me straight, packrat, Trap and GBA. I wasnt sure if that info was fud or not.
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Bring a magnifier and give the front of the front ring a careful look. If you don't see a crack, it is not likely to have one. If the barrel is original, it is even less likely.
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Thanks all. Those are some nice looking rifles.
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many were sporerized in the 50s 60s because the action is very strong and it will accommodate many long magnum calibers. My dad got one in the 50s and had weatherby in south gate chamber it for 300 magnum. I shot it many times.The bolt design allows for most scope mountings without interference.
It is hard to believe that Southern California was once an epicenter of firearms innovation, importation, and commerce. The last company to leave probably struck the colors and sounded retreat as they conducted their exfil to free America.
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It is hard to believe that Southern California was once an epicenter of firearms innovation, importation, and commerce. The last company to leave probably struck the colors and sounded retreat as they conducted their exfil to free America.

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Eddiestone was an owned subsidiary of Remington.

The US Rifle Model 1917 Caliber .30 was a Substitute Standard Rifle used during WWI because Springfield Armory and Rock Island Armory Arsenals could not produce enough rifles for the war.

The model 1917 bayonet also fits the Winchester Model 1897 trench-gun.

The Remington model 30 is a civilian version of the Model 1917.

The P14 .303 Enfield was originally developed by England in the Enfield arsenal as a possible replacement for the Lee Enfield because not everyone in the British Army was happy with it.

The P14 became a substitute standard rifle to make up for short supplies of SMLE Lee Enfields. Remington and Winchester were contracted to produce the rifles as quickly as possible. It was a simple design compered to the SMLE that could be mass produced.

The P14 and the M1917 design is based on the 1898 Mauser. The Mauser patent was declared forfeit because of the war.

Remington, Eddiestone and Winchester made over 5 million M1917 rifles from 1917 to 1919.

After England received enough rifles US production of M1917 rifles started. The only changes were to change the caliber from .303 British to the .30-06 Springfield. The sights were changed accordingly and the volley sight was eliminated.

The M1917 holds 6 .30-06 rounds (rimless shells) in the magazine because the magazine was designed for the British .303 P14 that is a rimmed shell.

After WWI the M1917 all most replaced the M1903 because we had more of them.

The peep sights of the M1917 were so successful the they became standard on all US rifle designs thereafter.

Most US soldiers in WWI did not like the M1917 because of the cock-on-closing bolt.

The M1917 was most likely the rifle SGT. Alvin York used in WWI.

The M1917 served during WWII with national guard and shore patrol units at home. Later they served for many years with Veteran groups for sermonizes. Many 21 gun salutes were fired at funerals with M1917's.
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Well per the OP's subject line, I'd say that is a proper schooling right there
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There is another difference. The 1917 has a cone breach, makes for smooth feeding, the P14 does not, but the larger bolt face is better for magnum rechambering. For a milsurp shooter, though, that is picking nits.
Interesting information, I didn't know about the cone breech. I need to pick up a M1917 to keep my P14 company.
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Later they served for many years with Veteran groups for sermonizes. Many 21 gun salutes were fired at funerals with M1917's.
Great synopsis!

With one slight correction it's a 3 volley salute, not a "21 gun salute".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-volley_salute

I didn't know the significance either until I attended my brother's funeral at the National Cemetery at Kent, WA last year. Honor Guard gave each of us 3 spent cartridges after the ceremony, they used Garands.
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It is hard to believe that Southern California was once an epicenter of firearms innovation, importation, and commerce. The last company to leave probably struck the colors and sounded retreat as they conducted their exfil to free America.
YEP
So cal was home to 80 % of all the high performance parts companies as well.Pistons,cams, headers, manifolds etc. We used to walk up to the door at sig erson cams and order a cam. Try that today.
My friend took his hilborn fuel injection to the factory in south OC and the big dog their fixed it free on the spot.had 5 drag strips to go to within 40 miles every weekend. At Lyons drag strip in long beach who is who in the sport would be their on Saturday night or Sunday in the late 60s.I am certain we had more fun racing back then than what you get for 200,000 today
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So cal was home to 80 % of all the high performance parts companies as well.Pistons,cams, headers, manifolds etc. We used to walk up to the door at sig erson cams and order a cam. Try that today.
My friend took his hilborn fuel injection to the factory in south OC and the big dog their fixed it free on the spot.had 5 drag strips to go to within 40 miles every weekend. At Lyons drag strip in long beach who is who in the sport would be their on Saturday night or Sunday in the late 60s.I am certain we had more fun racing back then than what you get for 200,000 today
Totally off topic, but there is a "Lyons Drag Strip Last Race" poster on the wall at a diner near me that has a photo collage of the last event, which IIRC was in December of 1972.
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I was at the last drag race and kept one of those posters. Most you see now are reprints.The one i have is not in great shape [ like me ] .
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So cal was home to 80 % of all the high performance parts companies as well.Pistons,cams, headers, manifolds etc. We used to walk up to the door at sig erson cams and order a cam. Try that today.
When EDM Arms (Windrunner / Bill Ritchie) in Redlands packed up after AB-50, which I think that was about the last most significant CA manufacturer of note for a particularly original firearm born and bred here, that said enough is enough.

Even CA born and bred Calico firearms popped up in Oregon after getting their re-start, but was originally incepted in Bakersfield.

Sad.

And the film industry is next. They have already chased off the porn industry to Las Vegas, which was already a dying medium due to everyone and anyone having a phone that is as high a quality video camera you need for such proclivities, and access to the internet. It really doesn't take much finesse anymore.

However the same people that often worked behind the camera making porn were the same people working behind the camera on many of the Network, HBO, NetFlix, and even Disney shows and movies you also watch. it's no difference to them and it fills the void between such jobs.

But CA is chasing off the regular industry itself; the rental houses, lighting, FX and smaller-production companies that work on spec, and other support companies have been going to Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and Arizona the past several years in droves. I see more and more such contracts from these other states than ever before.

The administrative side is still here, but everyone and anyone knows run-away production has been vacating CA these past 10 years, all the while the administrative side is starting to pack up and move due to the taxation, regulation, permit-processes, real-estate costs, and high-cost of Workers Compensation.

CA has a special brand of stink to chase away whole industries from the state. And now they want to over-regulate cow flatulent emissions and motorcycle emissions.

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But I am still buying it..
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