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Old 01-31-2013, 10:22 PM
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Default 4831SC Powder for 223

I have plenty of brass, primers, and bullets, but am a little short on powder for 223.

So, I'm thinking of trying some of my 4831SC in the 223 cases.

It's a slow burning powder and meant for bigger calibers. So, I expect it will load fine, but not give me the typical velocities we get for 223.

Given that, it might be OK for plinking, and shooting steel out to 100 yards.

Any thoughts from you CGers?
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Old 02-01-2013, 8:06 AM
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4831 is just too slow for .223. Your need to get a different powder. The slowest powder listed by Hodgdon's database is H414/W760 and only with 82 and 90 grain bullets.

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Old 02-01-2013, 12:51 PM
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+1 to not recommended at all. Hodgdon does not even list it for any .223 use.
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ahh man this is starting to make me sick all over again. Reading that a reloader wants to try a componet because they are out of one and want to substitute another without doing the research. Hello, you posted on the internent look up the info on the internet! Thinking "it will be fine" will be forever ringing in your mind when your laying in the hospital with no fingers or face!
Powder manufactures do all the testing for you and put out the info for you to you use their products safely.
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Old 02-01-2013, 9:01 PM
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Default This is the internet!

I need someone with some real internal ballistics experience to share the net effect of a very slow powder in a small case.

I'm an engineer, but I don't have any data on this, so I'm asking here. I have been reloading for 40 years, and have never had any powder mishaps. I don't try 'gee whiz' loads.

I don't need folks telling me; 'You'll Poke Yer Eye Out!'

I need facts...
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Old 02-01-2013, 9:59 PM
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One thing I have learned in almost 30 years of reloading (and I am an engineer too) is that if a powder is not listed by a Mfgr for a specific cartridge there will be a good reason.

It is listed as suitable for .223 WSSM which is a much higher case capacity round. Recommended charge weight for .223 WSSM with this powder is about 42-43gr. My guess is that it will push the bullet down the bore but that it could be worrisome because of propensity to detonate as many powders can when used in volumes far outside their intended range application.

Not sure but I would not want to be the one to do the testing.

I would highly recommend reaching out to Hodgdon and asking them direct if there are downsides to it in a small case capacity application.

Due diligence in all things is always a smart move!
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:25 PM
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BTW, I did a bit of research on this and it's specifically designed for use in magnum cartridges with medium to heavy bullets. Not much info out there on it for anything but large case capacity magnum calibers.

Here is one thread where the last post states it is not a good idea in small cases with large openings compared to case size which covers .223 Rem.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=477130

Here is the only forum post on using it for .223 that can be found anywhere. General assessment is that it may not cycle the gun when used in an AR and that it should not be done at the very least for this reason.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/348993_.html

Here are 3 load recipes for 4831 in .223 Rem. Each gives a velocity below 2500fps with full case charges.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail....31&LoadID=7183

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail....31&LoadID=7174

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail....31&LoadID=7192

Hope this helps.
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Default GF, Thanks

for your thoughtful reply! I expected the velocities would be low, and there might be a cycling problem.
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