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Default Anyone try reduced rifle loads before?

I came across this on the Hodgdons site… and kind of want to give it a try.

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/H4895%20R...le%20Loads.pdf


I have no idea what type of accuracy results I would get out of my .308 Win bolt action, but for 100 yard target shooting or 100-200 yard plinking… I thinking this may be a viable option to just save powder as supplies are getting low and I have a couple 1# jugs of H4895 laying around.
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I haven't tried any yet. The Lee 2nd Edition has a whole bunch of reduced loads for 30-30. 30-06 and 308, for cast lead bullets. In 308 they run the gamut of weight from like 110gr up through 200gr. Loads as low as 20grs of 4895, in the mid-1500fps, kind of like Shutzen match stuff.

I bet .308 lead is not sold out...
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You can use Trail Boss for reduced rifle loads as well.
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I used to shoot reduced cast loads for 30-30 and 7.62x54R with pistol powders.

I had one Finnish M39 that I bought unissued and shot only gas checked cast bullets out of it using pistol powder. That bore was still nice with sharp rifling when I sold it.
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Run these up to like 1500fps, probably feel like a .22lr, cheap to buy too...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/204...vc=subv1827044
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You can use Trail Boss for reduced rifle loads as well.
I tried some Trail Boss in my .308 Ishapore last weekend.
Cooked up three loads and they were a hoot at 50yds.
Going to start the boy out on them while introducing him to the
wonderful world of .30 cal rifles.
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As a starving student I shot .30-'06 "reduced loads" at 100-yard matches. 16.5 grains of 4227 under a 311413 bullet. They claimed they stuck in the targets...but I doubt that. You can gas check the 311413 and get about 1600 fps or so out of it.
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Just looking at 308, you really arent saving that much powder. 37gr vs 42 gr. 42 being my normal load of H322.
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I've run ladder test on 7mm-08 down to 35 grs of H4895, but didn't find any accuracy load until around 38 grs. My normal long range accuracy load is right around max of 41.2 grs. Even if I were only plinking I'd want an accurate load to test and challenge my marksmanship skills. Otherwise, all that plinking is more of a waste of powder than loading to the max.

I'd rather waste 41grs for every shot trying to improve myself, than wasting 35 grs accomplishing nothing.
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I agree with^^^^....but I loaded 35gr of H4895 for my father and his Rem 7600 and with iron sights it was plenty accurate for his aged physique...
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Ya I agree with you guys… I might just pass on trying to make reduced .308 loads.

I decided to use the H4895 I have for some match .223 loads instead.

I really need to get some more Varget for .308
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One of my favorite loads to shoot is 14gr of Unique under a 405gr cast bullet in ky 45/70. Velocity is right at 1200fps with great accuracy and almost no recoil. Many folks use red dot for reduced loads in 30-06, 8x57, and other similar cartridges so il sure there has to be some data for. 308.
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I use 4895 for cast bullets from a rifle. It's a 22LR in centerfire. GREAT fun and accurate.

started with trailboss. It's great. I like 4895 better. It's also great.
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I used to shoot 95gr sp out of my 243 with blue dot and a filler. Great small game stuff. It was under 1000 fps.
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google "the Load using Reddot" 11gr (IIRC) of Reddot in any 30 caliber weapon with normal bullet weight for a great plinker load.

I alos like the trailboss plinker loads
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How would you calculate a 150 gr jacketed bullet for .308? Using the 60% rule w/ H4895? is it 0.60 x highest weight for that bullet w/ that powder? I am not sure what they are saying for that rule of theirs.


also search red dot and blue dot loads
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Hodgdon claims that H4895 is the only powder they have experience with that has the stability to go that far down the scale. Lead bullet users use it and so forth. Take 60% of the highest charge for that chambering, and that's a minimum load. Should give you betweeen 1500 and 2000 fps. They also say if you can't find H4895 in a chambering, don't use it in a reduced load. I guess that's because you don't know what to take 60% of. I have some loaded up, but haven't gotten to the range for a few weeks. I like the idea, though.
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How would you calculate a 150 gr jacketed bullet for .308? Using the 60% rule w/ H4895? is it 0.60 x highest weight for that bullet w/ that powder? I am not sure what they are saying for that rule of theirs.


also search red dot and blue dot loads
Find the max full power load for a given bullet, multiply by 0.60 and you have a reduced load. Works great in 30-06 with a 150 grain jacketed bullet. It is softer than the minimum full power load, and isn't quite as loud. It still feels and sounds like a mid sized rifle cartridge though.

30-06 150 JSP 30.0 grains 4895 = 1600-1700 fps

30-06 150 JSP 13.0 grains red dot = 1450 fps this load feels about like a 223 and is fairly quiet compared to a full power 30-06 load.

30-06 150 JSP 14.0 grains of trail boss = 1230-1300 fps This is even a tad softer than red dot and sounds like an average pistol rather than a 30 caliber rifle (with hearing protection).

These seemed fine for 20-40 yard plinking. I haven't tried shooting anything longer or tried for groups yet. The red dot load is the most economical. Trail boss isn't really that cheap, but it is great for light 460 mag loads, so I had it. The reduced 4895 loads do take less powder and are easier on the shooter (my test gun is a 1926 model 54 winchester bolt action), but they will still eat up power fast.

Follow the 60% rule and see how you like the loads with the 4895. My grandfather would never think of trying a reduced power load, but I really enjoy them. It can make a particular gun much more versatile and it doesn't cost as much to shoot.
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and, most importantly (imo) using reduced loads makes it easier to shoot CAST BULLETS which is far, far more civilized than shooting modern jacketed.

I wouldn't do it for max loads at 500 yards (though people DO!), I'm just no that good. But for the local 100 yard range and for plinking steel offhand, it's a no brainer.
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I decided at one point way back when that it would be nice to practice for NRA Highpower Rifle during the winter months with my .308 bolt gun. At local indoor range (I was club president at the time). 95gr. 32 (.312) cast bullet with 5gr. of Unique powder. Distance was 50 ft., shooting at standard smallbore targets. Worked like a champ.
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google C.E. Harris and you can find a half dozen articles about downloading rifle ammo, besides this one....
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I was just reading about guys shooting .223 with 6grains of Bullseye mixed with cornmeal. Said they where getting around 1400fps with cast boolits.
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I was just reading about guys shooting .223 with 6grains of Bullseye mixed with cornmeal. Said they where getting around 1400fps with cast boolits.
Corn meal as a buffer/kapok/filler? I don't think it is a good idea to "mixed" w/ powder.

any leading? bolt action or AR? did they use gas checks? i am heavily getting into casting, but have not done any for .224
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I really need to get some more Varget for .308
try Ramshot TAC or IMR4064
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This one works well too. Shorter grain length means less annoying powder crunching in powder measure.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...d=224&magid=18
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I use 27 gr. 4895 for my .30-.30 plated plinking rounds all the time. 100 yrds it's fine and at 200 yrds I can still deliver but not nearly as accurate. 1700 fps

I've gone lower but felt like the accuracy was worse and I lost the kick, like the kick
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30/30, 30/40, 30/06 with 311291 gas check and about 30gr ball c --
also use 311316 gas check and about the same powder, but I don't recollect exact charge.
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