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Old 01-30-2013, 9:46 AM
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The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization which serves its members by providing Second Amendment-related education, strategic litigation, and the defense of innocent California gun owners from improper or malicious prosecution. The Calguns Foundation seeks to inform government and protect the rights of individuals to acquire, own, and lawfully use firearms in California.
Is anybody who posts on calguns.net a member or is there some place to formally apply for membership? How does one get a membership card?
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I am only aware that you can donate money and offer to volunteer time. Maybe Brandon (wildhawker) can illuminate us on your query.
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I don't believe they have membership enrollment. However, CGF is closely partnered with the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and they offer memberships. Could be a good alternative or better yet a supplement to the NRA.
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I always thought CGF should do some sort of membership.

Something simple like, $25 a year and you get a certificate every year.

Might be a good way to get donations, people like getting things to show they "did something".

Or follow in the NRA's example, charge >$35 and send 'em something from the CGF store; shirt, stickers, hat (if there was a CGF hat) etc.

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EDIT: Hell, there's probably a lot of us that would pay $100 for an "annual membership". I know I would.
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I always thought CGF should do some sort of membership.

Something simple like, $25 a year and you get a certificate every year.

Might be a good way to get donations, people like getting things to show they "did something".

Or follow in the NRA's example, charge >$35 and send 'em something from the CGF store; shirt, stickers, hat (if there was a CGF hat) etc.

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EDIT: Hell, there's probably a lot of us that would pay $100 for an "annual membership". I know I would.
Good idea but I don't think the infrastructure is there to support such a program. I'd join as well if given the opportunity.
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I suspect members are those who have donated.
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What's wrong with just donating and let them do what they do best?

Sue every emm-effer in the room!

Why have them take on some other unnecessary admin?
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Good idea but I don't think the infrastructure is there to support such a program. I'd join as well if given the opportunity.
Well I was thinking about that, but if there is nothing associated with being a member (no discounts or perks) then there would be no reason to need a database of member info. When someone would 'sign up' for membership, CGF mails them a printed off certificate/paper card, what have you, (costs $0.10? idk) and thats it.

Or (now that I look at it) maybe CGF could tie it into the store? You sign up for an account when you order stuff from there, maybe the infrastructure is already in place?


PS. These are just ideas I had trying to help CGF, really I have no idea what I'm talking about
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They don't want or need "members". The board operates the way they wish to operate and donating is done on a faith of past, present and future returns on success of the organization.
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I'm a member. Here's what the card looks like:







Hope that clears things up.
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I've contributed twice but I don't have a contributing member by my name. Is that for people who contribute automatically or just contribute?
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I've contributed twice but I don't have a contributing member by my name. Is that for people who contribute automatically or just contribute?
The contribution label you see under the user name is for those who contribute to CGN (calguns.net the website) which is different from CGF (calguns foundation)
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I donated but didn't receive any membership. I just want to help in the fight.
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CGF has argued in court about having "members" - so there are some
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I donated but didn't receive any membership. I just want to help in the fight.
I want to help the fight. I do see cobra freak and wootsauce opinions, Why not a badge or color for those who donate to CGF. I'll be honest. I only donated 25 bucks so far but I think it's all about promoting and motivating new members. If you don't see many people in the fight many tend to sit back and say "whats the point. No on else is......"

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I want to help the fight. I do see cobra freak and wootsauce opinions, Why not a badge or color for those who donate to CGF. I'll be honest. I only donated 25 bucks so far but I think it's all about promoting and motivating new members. If you don't see many people in the fight many tend to sit back and say "whats the point. No on else is......"

Strength in numbers.
If CGF took on actual membership, they would be obligated to listen to the members, so to speak. They don't want to! That's not such a bad thing either, or a good thing. Membership would bring in more donors and pride of membership. However, bringing in members would change leadership focus from keeping members happy as opposed to taking on what's important in the eyes of the CGF board.
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Yep, a flag of some sort under the user name would cool. So instead of "CGN Contributor" It could be "CGF Supporter" something like that.
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Yep, a flag of some sort under the user name would cool. So instead of "CGN Contributor" It could be "CGF Supporter" something like that.
Not gonna happen. CGF and CGN are not one in the same.
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It's kinda like the unorganized militia which consists of able bodied males aged 17 to 45 who are not members of the national guard or the naval militia.

The CGF has an unorganized membership consisting of anyone who has ever donated time or money to the cause, or sought them out for help or advice.

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It's kinda like the unorganized militia which consists of able bodied males aged 17 to 45 who are not members of the national guard or the naval militia.

The CGF has an unorganized membership consisting of anyone who has ever donated time or money to the cause, or sought them out for help or advice.

That's my 2¢
I disagree. CGF and their board have their own agenda and that's it. No "militia" will influence what the hierarchy wants to accomplish.
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CGF considers anyone who has donated $5 or more in the last 24 months a member. We are considering creating a more formal definition in the very near future.

However, just like many other organizations, we are not a "membership organization" under the California Corporate Code in that membership does not grant a member voting rights in the organization. In that way we're just exactly like ACLU and all of our opposition organizations and the opposite of CRPA or NRA where membership entitles you to vote on governance.

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As long as what they want to accomplish is to fight for our 2A rights here in CA I don't care to try influencing them. If their goal ever changes I'll just stop sending money. Seems easier than cards and secret handshakes
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As long as what they want to accomplish is to fight for our 2A rights here in CA I don't care to try influencing them. If their goal ever changes I'll just stop sending money. Seems easier than cards and secret handshakes
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Something simple like, $25 a year and you get a certificate every year.

Might be a good way to get donations, people like getting things to show they "did something".
To be honest, that was exactly why I was asking, because I wanted to get a membership card.

I'm in Colorado but I donated a little money to the New Yorkers to help them with the fight and they sent me a nifty membership card.



Thought it would be neat if I could make a little donation to California and get something similar. Briefly looked into CRPA but it appears there is some sort of tomfoolery going on there I didn't want to take the time to understand.

Wasn't trying to influence the decision making process (although that was an interesting conversation). Heck, I'm a member at Sam's Club, but I don't expect to vote on how they run their affairs.
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I know the two are unrelated, but perhaps the TOS for calguns.net should state that by viewing any of the pages on the site, you get enrolled as a member in CGF.

You could claim lots more members.
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I know the two are unrelated, but perhaps the TOS for calguns.net should state that by viewing any of the pages on the site, you get enrolled as a member in CGF.
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Not gonna happen. CGF and CGN are not one in the same.
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Have you ever seen Kes and Brandon (wildhawker) talk to eachother? I don't think it'll happen lol
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To be honest, that was exactly why I was asking, because I wanted to get a membership card.
That's what I was saying, people like things that show they contributed, be it membership cards, certificates or your user name turns gold on a forum.

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...However, just like many other organizations, we are not a "membership organization" under the California Corporate Code in that membership does not grant a member voting rights in the organization...
I'm not suggesting CGF become a "membership organization" in this sense (with voting and whatnot), I was suggesting that maybe in recognition of donating a certain amount people get "something" to show that they are a donating "member" just like Monoz said he wanted, I belive there are a lot of people like Monoz out there. I just think it would be a way to get a lot more donations.

I know we don't need these things, I'm just saying it might increase the donations to CGF, which is always a good thing.
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CGF considers anyone who has donated $5 or more in the last 24 months a member. We are considering creating a more formal definition in the very near future.

However, just like many other organizations, we are not a "membership organization" under the California Corporate Code in that membership does not grant a member voting rights in the organization. In that way we're just exactly like ACLU and all of our opposition organizations and the opposite of CRPA or NRA where membership entitles you to vote on governance.

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I don't believe they have membership enrollment. However, CGF is closely partnered with the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and they offer memberships. Could be a good alternative or better yet a supplement to the NRA.
Yea, I joined the SAF Lifetime for just $150.. money well spent.

I would give to CGF as well if it were easy.. I want the secret decoder ring..
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Thanks for the donation. You are now an "official" member, keeping in mind please, that there are no members. Although, please note that I am a "Senior Member". (If I quit and then rejoin would I be a remember? If I insult my fellow members would I be a dismember?)
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Yea, I joined the SAF Lifetime for just $150.. money well spent.

I would give to CGF as well if it were easy.. I want the secret decoder ring..
What's so hard about donating to CGF? Heck, you could set up your credit card to donate monthly, quarterly, or annually so you don't even have to think about it.
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"Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X
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