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Old 01-25-2013, 6:29 PM
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Default So I did some weight savings on my AR

was running like:



am now running like:



Easier to shoot, mag changes aren't too bad, and it is waaaay lighter.

Took off the ACS stock, Hogue grip, RDS, Magpul MOE guard.

Added: standard M4 stock, grip, and lightweight skinny guards, plus sling. Stopped using the 10/30s, and using my ASC 10 rounders.

Thoughts? Anyone else tone their ARs down for function?

Gonna run it like this a while to see how I like it.

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Old 01-25-2013, 6:40 PM
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So what does it actually weigh?

Most of my rifles are in the 8 lb range and they don't seem bad at all. Hell even the Garand doesn't really feel all that heavy to me.

Saiga 7.62 - 8lbs
Saiga 5.45(ultimak, mini dot, light) - 8.6lbs
M4 clone(Red dot, light, KAC rails) - 8.8lbs
A4 clone(Scope, KAC rails) - 9.4lbs
M1 Garand - 10.2lbs

Now you want nice and light you have to go retro.

A1 clone - 7.2lbs, will be in the 6lb range once i get the proper lower.



The retro carbine iam putting together should be in the 5lb range.
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Lol, I never held an AR that I felt was "heavy". But then again I have a 26"HBAR win mod70 that weighs 17lbs.
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Be interested in knowing weight difference not including the optic. I guess I could just look it up..
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Do your Magpul flip sites have a bullet drop adjustment? Are they only windage or have both?
All of the 13 gun stores I went to, no store had any iron/or flip sites with bullet drop.
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the rear has windage, the front has elevation

weight difference without the optic....hard to say.

feels much lighter, and the change from 10/30 mags to the 10 rnd mags makes the gun much more maneuverable
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That is why I have two AR's.

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Do your Magpul flip sites have a bullet drop adjustment? Are they only windage or have both?
All of the 13 gun stores I went to, no store had any iron/or flip sites with bullet drop.
A chopped down carry handle or lmt unit would fit your bill nicely.
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the change from 10/30 mags to the 10 rnd mags makes the gun much more maneuverable
Seriously? That couldn't have been more than a few ounces.
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Seriously? That couldn't have been more than a few ounces.
its less about the weight and more about the 10 inches less of magazine sticking out
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My 16" M4 AR only weighs 7.6lbs w/ red dot, magpul furniture and m4 buttstock. I mostly use alum 10 round mags too.

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ARs are light... regardless of how much junk you put on them. Put the red dot back on.

My lightest bolt action weighs in at 14-15 pounds with optics.
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If you really wanna save weight, get a lightweight barrel.
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If you really wanna save weight, get a lightweight barrel.
Yup Mine comes in at just under 5lbs

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Your rifle isn't too heavy... you need to lift more.

Issue weapons are 10-12 pounds with the IR light/laser crap on it and those are lugged up and down a mountain all day for weeks at a time. If you can't handle a 8 lb rifle in perfect range conditions, it's not the rifle that's too heavy.
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Your rifle isn't too heavy... you need to lift more.

Issue weapons are 10-12 pounds with the IR light/laser crap on it and those are lugged up and down a mountain all day for weeks at a time. If you can't handle a 8 lb rifle in perfect range conditions, it's not the rifle that's too heavy.
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its less about the weight and more about the 10 inches less of magazine sticking out
This, especially while shooting prone.
I never understood the 10/30 thing, but, then again, I'm a featureless guy, which also keeps the weight down.
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Your rifle isn't too heavy... you need to lift more.

Issue weapons are 10-12 pounds with the IR light/laser crap on it and those are lugged up and down a mountain all day for weeks at a time. If you can't handle a 8 lb rifle in perfect range conditions, it's not the rifle that's too heavy.
I'd have to agree and tell you to hit the gym some. Plus, you're only loading 10 rounds at a time. 30 round mags weigh much more than 10.
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Yup Mine comes in at just under 5lbs
I wanna see it on the scale. I call bs.
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Aright, aright just over , just under, haha I will weigh it again tomorrow and report with photos. Its been awhile. In fact I will weigh both.

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Aright, aright just over , just under, haha I will weigh it again tomorrow and report with photos. Its been awhile. In fact I will weigh both.
PFFT BUSTED!!! Dont try that **** on us foo!! lol Doesnt matter to me , just pullin your covers man...
Looks like you have two confused ARs tho. Trade me that stock for my EMOD and ill let it go...
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Aright, aright just over , just under, haha I will weigh it again tomorrow and report with photos. Its been awhile. In fact I will weigh both.
A1 carbines are still in the 5lb range and that is about as light as you can get without a polymer lower.

If yours weigh less than that i would be amazed.
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That is why I have two AR's.
Nice rails on that top one. Who makes it?
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I'm not sure how accurate my buddy's scale is but after weighing myself carrying the rifle minus my weight many times and averaged out, it was 5.4 lbs. no mag of course:

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8lbs, 11oz unloaded. the magpul UBR stock is heavy. primary parms 3x + larue mount adds a bit too
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Is 10 pounds heavy for you guys?
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Not sure but it's super light. NFA lower. 14.5 middy dd lightweight barrel. CF hand guard. JP lightweight carrier and buffer. RMR. It's a lot of "fun" and for sure can be carried ALL day without noticing it

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I shall borrow a scale and weigh mine.

My lightest build should be right under 7 lbs. (I think)
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Ya I was BUSTED haha I weighed in at around 7!! Were the hell did I get 5 at!!!
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Put the red dot back on.

Get a super light free float rail

Get a Daniel Defense or BCM 14.5" pencil barrel and a perm flash hider/brake

Ditch the irons.

= 6.5 lb rifle. You will get the most weight savings from a new barrel, and you'll find it feels like it has MUCH better balance.
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Your rifle isn't too heavy... you need to lift more.

Issue weapons are 10-12 pounds with the IR light/laser crap on it and those are lugged up and down a mountain all day for weeks at a time. If you can't handle a 8 lb rifle in perfect range conditions, it's not the rifle that's too heavy.
Ya, okay Rambo... the discussion is lightweight AR carbines by civilians, not how manly our soldiers are, when forced to carry lasers and grenade launchers mounted to their M4s. Airsoft much?
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ITT: Grown *** men complaining about 10 pounds of metal because they spend their entire adult lives detrained and weak.

And I'm willing to bet that all the people who have agreed with me so far either workout, been prior service, or are currently serving. It's pathetic if you take 3 pounds off and you can notice such a huge difference. The human body has evolved to be far more adaptable that NO fully developed male or female should be able to notice any real difference between 7 pounds and 10 pounds in terms of a rifle for normal civilian use.

So instead of suggesting people spend however much money buying the latest high speed low drag parts to cut weight, how about recommending these undisciplined, detrained, and weak specimens of the human race a solution to fix the problem and not a solution to hide the symptom.

Hell, I built my 3-gun rifle up to be as heavy as I could (I even put tungsten putty in my UBR and pistol grip storage space) so it would absorb recoil. Can't remember off the top of my head, but I believe the final weight was around 12-13 pounds.

So I reiterate, the problem isn't that the rifles you have are too heavy to be functional, you're too weak to function the rifle.
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I say you put it back the way it was.... Then again this is YOUR rifle, so do what you'd like!
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Ya, okay Rambo... the discussion is lightweight AR carbines by civilians, not how manly our soldiers are, when forced to carry lasers and grenade launchers mounted to their M4s. Airsoft much?
The first step of being "prepared" or trained (not that I'm a prepper or anything) is being physically fit and in shape. It's always funny to me when guys take the whole "fighting tyranny" thing seriously but can barely walk up a flight of stairs (I'm not insinuating the OP is like this). Nothing Rambo about taking your health and physical fitness seriously.
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Lol. The design of the m16 was a light weight space age rifle firing a small caliber bullet at high velocities. Plastic vs wood, "aluminium" vs steel. 3 pounds is 90 rounds in 3 mags. Only an idiot won't notice a 10lb vs 7lb gun. Probably cause he thinks its less manly to not like anchors or refuses to admit a lighter gun is more advantageous in this case. This is not a race gun, its a carbine. There is absolutely no reason for it to weight 10 lbs aside from achieving a look.
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I have no idea who SoCalXD is, but his view of the discussion is off base and his defense of the entire discussion is inappropriate.

The original discussion is not lightweight AR carbines as used by civilians. The original discussion is weak, detrained civilians complaining about how heavy their 10 pound rifles and how big a difference 3 pounds make with regards to their rifle's functionality.

All I disagreed with is his position and everyone who feels the need to lighten the **** out of their rifles because they're too weak to manipulate 10 pounds of metal. The fact that they're noticing such a huge performance/functionality improvement from removing 3 - 5 pounds of metal is indicative of a much larger problem; the operator needs a gym membership.
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ARs are light... regardless of how much junk you put on them. Put the red dot back on.

My lightest bolt action weighs in at 14-15 pounds with optics.
Agree, the red dot is much more of an advantage than saving those 10 or so oz.
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Mine weighs 9lb 9.23oz without the mag, minus the 2.64oz of spare parts in the grip core.

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