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Old 01-31-2013, 11:11 AM
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Default Recommendation.....Good 9mm Auto

Thanks up front for your input and recommentdations.

I'm mainly a S&W wheel gun owner, but did buy my wife a Glock 17 about 3 years ago and have shot it a few times. I don't know a heck of a lot about 9mm pistols, and recently bought one on impulse that just didnt' fit my hand well so I resold it. So, I thought I'd ask those who know more about these things about what I should be looking for.

I'd like to buy a full size 9mm pistol. It will mainly be used at the range, but may carry it out in the field when hunting with a rifle. I don't want nor need one with all the gadgets, but unlike the Glock, a safety would be great. I just want it to be decent quality, be reliable and be under $650 if possible.

Your input is highly appreciated. Oh, by the way, it can be new or used. It's hard right now trying to find a used one. If you know of one that you've seen for sale within 50 miles of Vacaville, please let me know.

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Old 01-31-2013, 11:57 AM
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9mm with safety...
Beretta 92fs
1911 9mm
CZ 75B
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For a wheelgun guy, I'd suggest looking at DA/SA or DAO Sig.
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The Answer is... Glock 19.

Now, what was your Question?
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:10 PM
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Beretta 92FS. I won't go into it, just look it up online including here, you'll find nothing but rave reviews about it. Most of all, try and find a range that has one you can rent and shoot; you will not be disappointed...
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:28 PM
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Full sized 9mm with a safety for under $650?
I'd say Baretta or Tarus 92 FS would be my first option.
CZ 75 would fit the bill too if you can find one around.

I've had the CZ 75 and currently have the Glock 17 and the Taurus 92. Of the three, the taurus makes the nicest range gun b/c mine has a really sweet light crisp trigger along with a longer 5 inch barrel. I've shot the Barretta as well but I felt the trigger wasn't as light and I don't like the safety/decocker on the slide. I prefer it on the frame similar to the 1911's.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:40 PM
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If you want a large, bulky pistol with a horribly placed safety that will engage if you arent careful when you rack the side, get a Beretta 92-series.

Glocks do have safeties. Three of them actually. If you follow the four rules of firearms safety, you'll never have a problem with it.

But based on your recommendations, I would suggest the S&W M&P9. They can be had with a frame-mounted manual safety, are excellent overall guns with excellent manufacturer support, and they're inexpensive.

If you're into all steel classics, try a Browning Hi-Power on for size.
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Old 01-31-2013, 1:29 PM
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I just picked up a HK P2000 9mm that I like a whole lot. Shoots like butter.

The P30 might be even better, but it isn't on the roster of firearms. Perhaps can be had via private used sale.
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To fit your criteria Berreta .. or a used Sig
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glock34.... safety is all on the owner
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My safety is my trigger finger and knowing how to operate my gun safely..
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As others have said, a Beretta 92FS is a great choice or, if you don't mind plastic guns, look at the Beretta Px4 Storm (yes, I like Berettas and have both of these). Both are DA/SA and have safties/decockers. Easy to field strip, easy to clean, reliable, and in your price range.

The real challenge will be finding some 9mm ammo.....
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You're a S&W guy so my first thought is for you to look at the M&P 9mm or any of the 39 series Smiths.

Second thought is the usual reply; go to the LGS/range and handle them all and shoot the ones that 'fit' you the best.

9mm ammo?.... Good luck with that.
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I would suggest visiting a local range and renting all the 9mms they have. Narrow down what you like or don't like and find something that fits your hand (a problem you had in the past).

It all really comes down to personal preference in the end anyway. Nearly every recommendation you are going to see in this thread is going to be based on what that poster personally likes about the 9mm they chose to buy.
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CZ 75B. I think it's the best compromise between reliability, price, ergonomics, and manufacturer reputation.

-Ergonomic manual safety design
-<$650 after tax and fees
-It feels 'just right' in the hand
-Quality has been consistent, probably because the factory has always stayed in the same location
-It's the most widely issued sidearm in the world in terms of number of countries that use it
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I am partial to the Beretta 92FS/M9. Just bought one last 12/29th.
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Spend a little more and get a Walther PPQ M2 in the 5" via SSE...

They seem to be the Cat's Meow.

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for $650 you could get yourself a used Browning Hi-Power. It's a metal frame 9mm with a safety. I prefer it over the 92FS because the trigger is more crisp, it doesn't have the big fat grip of the 92FS, and the one I have is an absolute tack driver. Don't get me wrong, the 92FS is a nice pistol, but I don't care for the slide mounted safety and the trigger isn't as nice out of the box. The CZ75 is a good deal for a metal frame 9mm too, and can be had for about $100 less than the Hi-Power.
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My CZ is my absolute favorite, very accurate intuitive shooter right out of the box. The ergo's feel like they used my hand as the mold.

I have the SP-01 which might be a little heavy for all day in the field, but I hear the P-01's are just as awesome.

A little hard to find right now as they've recently exploded in popularity, but they show up here and there, they just don't sit on the shelf very long.

My Beretta was a good shooter, and I think they are a beautiful gun, but it didn't really fit me that well.

It always makes me chuckle how the Glock guys get all worked up when somebody says they want a gun with an actual safety.
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for $650 you could get yourself a used Browning Hi-Power. It's a metal frame 9mm with a safety. I prefer it over the 92FS because the trigger is more crisp, it doesn't have the big fat grip of the 92FS, and the one I have is an absolute tack driver. Don't get me wrong, the 92FS is a nice pistol, but I don't care for the slide mounted safety and the trigger isn't as nice out of the box. The CZ75 is a good deal for a metal frame 9mm too, and can be had for about $100 less than the Hi-Power.
Agreed. I hate hate HATE the slide mounted safety/cock-blocker...
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Agreed. I hate hate HATE the slide mounted safety/cock-blocker...
Take a look at Springfield Armory's XD Service (4") - grip safety, better ergonomics than a Glock IMO (and yes, I DO own both a G17 and G19), very reliable, and will eat anything. Also, less expensive than a Glock or Beretta. I think there's a shop in Vallejo with some in stock.

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Glock 19c, feeds any ammo, don't fuss with external safety's, can get .22 conversion kit for lime $275 from solar tactical which works awesome! And can save $$ on ammo when times are tight. Follow up shots are faster due to the compensated barrel and slide.
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Turners put px4 and 92fs on sale today. Just saying.
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There are many choices. You can't go wrong with any of the big 3:

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It's really what you can't go wrong with. Agreed on Glocks being the safest. I love all my wonder nines, though.
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Ruger SR9 enough said .

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Try the Ruger SR9 if your looking for a manual safety.
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Spend a little more and get a Walther PPQ M2 in the 5" via SSE...

They seem to be the Cat's Meow.

OOO, I want. I have the PPQ and have been drooling over the M2.
where's my bib?

If you have to have a safety and under 650.00, maybe a Sig 2022. Used 229's and 226's have been hitting the 750+ mark as of late. Maybe a M&P 9. A CZ 75B if you can find one....
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Go for the CZ SP-01 in 9mm. It's a full size pistol with a safety right at a little less than the $650 price point you're looking for. It has great ergonomics and is a really soft shooter. It's heavy, but if you're only going to carry it once in a while when you go out to the field then it won't be too bad. Its density can also come in handy as a hammer when your out and about or as an anchor for your boat hahaha. Honestly, it is one of the best pistols I have ever shot and with a few inexpensive modifications (lighter springs and competition hammer) you will have one of the best 9mm's in the market.
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Go for the CZ SP-01 in 9mm. It's a full size pistol with a safety right at a little less than the $650 price point you're looking for. It has great ergonomics and is a really soft shooter. It's heavy, but if you're only going to carry it once in a while when you go out to the field then it won't be too bad. Its density can also come in handy as a hammer when your out and about or as an anchor for your boat hahaha. Honestly, it is one of the best pistols I have ever shot and with a few inexpensive modifications (lighter springs and competition hammer) you will have one of the best 9mm's in the market.
Fully loaded with a preban mag, it is bad weight-wise. Maybe I have a girlie waist, but after 6 hours with a SP-01 on a very sturdy reinforced gun belt in a Blad-Tech holster, I switched back to the 75B in the next match.
For comparison, an empty stock 1911 weighs 39 oz. The CZ SP-01 is well over 42 oz. Great for range use and handgun competition, not a piece I want to carry all day long in the field or at a multi-gun match.
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for your price range, 92fs. reliable, popular, and won't be lacking in aftermarket parts such as mags, etc. I know a guy that has 50 mags for his 92fs just because...

the safety works as a decocker as well which is pretty nice. and if you want any spare mags, won't dent your wallet. plus, its kinda like a piece of history man, been used in our military for almost 30 years.
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Fully loaded with a preban mag, it is bad weight-wise. Maybe I have a girlie waist, but after 6 hours with a SP-01 on a very sturdy reinforced gun belt in a Blad-Tech holster, I switched back to the 75B in the next match.
For comparison, an empty stock 1911 weighs 39 oz. The CZ SP-01 is well over 42 oz. Great for range use and handgun competition, not a piece I want to carry all day long in the field or at a multi-gun match.
I've carried it a few times for extended periods of time with regular 10-round mags on a thigh holster and I didn't think it was too bad. I could see how carrying it everyday would be a hassle. Then again, I'm not the smallest guy around either so maybe the weight didn't bother me as much as it would others. To each his own I guess. It was just a suggestion for the OP. I recommend him at least handling and feeling one.
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Look into the XD9 Tactical. Doesnt have a "manual" safety but it has the grip and trigger passive safeties. I absoluely love mine!! Thousands of rounds with not one malfunction. I even went 1200 rds with no maintenance/cleaning whatsoever just to see if it would still run. It passed with flying colors. The only reason it was not more then 1200 rds is because i started to feel bad for it lol.
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I recommend a Smith & Wesson M&P. They're accurate and reliable and with the included interchangeable backtraps can be properly fitted to almost any size hand. $500-550 if you can find one.

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Beretta 92fs meets your requirements and then some.

Let me add smooth, and a piece of Americana.
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CZ 75B my first choice. Cheaper too. Beretta 92fs would be my second choice. Grip is a little bigger but my medium size hands can comfortably hold it. I have never accidentally pushed the safety while racking the slide but who knows.
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From working as an LE instructor, almost 20 years in LE , few years of other government work, packing a pistol most of my adult life here is what I think of full size 9mm pistols:

1). Beretta 92 series is the most feed reliable pistol, very easy to shoot FAST,parts and magazines are not a problem (its a std US issue pistol).
Magazines are 10,15,17,20 and 30 rounds.

2). Sig P226 . VERY accurate. magazines are 10/15 and 20 rounds.

3). Glock 17. Very easy to repair/service. same trigger pull for every shot.

Magazine are 10/17 and 33 rounds.


Cant go wrong with any of them.

PS. Beretta 92 series, SIG P226 and G17's are used A LOT by military forces worldwide. Magazines and parts are easy to get.

...... I really like Beretta 92
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