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Old 10-13-2013, 4:47 AM
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Gov. Jerry Brown held the line for us and perhaps a few calls into his office to thank him are in order.

Of course the anti's did something we haven't been able to do ourselves, they got more gun owners to actually step up.

This was a major setback for our opponents and we have sent a message across the country that California is a major battleground for gun rights and the anti rights folks just incurred some big loses.

We need to expand on public outreach and one fun way to do that is to take people shooting.

Since the panic buy has been cancelled, I think all of us should get if we don't already have one, a .22lr version of the AR15, preferably the ergonomic version o/w known as the M4 and a standard Ruger 10/22.

When I get new shooters, I let them try both guns. After shooting both guns, the new shooters see that power wise the guns are the same, just different furniture.

Of course it gives me a chance to "mockingly" talk about the "evil features" and other stupid comments from our opponents.

If every gun owner here stepped up a few times per year, we could reach many folks and if we can shift the court of public opinion, the politicians will shift even in this state.

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Old 10-13-2013, 5:17 AM
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It's not a major setback for our opponents. Of the 18 anti-gun bills, Moonbeam vetoed 7. So we have 11 new anti-gun laws in Taxifornia. We are now all guilty of a variety of new crimes and misdemeanors, but we have no idea what they are.

Brown and his allies in the legislature have no respect for recent Supreme Court decisions which clearly affirm the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. Brown deserves no praise. He's a liberal socialist to the core.

He is already being praised as an independent, fair minded Governor who should be re-elected. I disagree strongly.
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Brown deserves no praise. He's a liberal socialist to the core.

He is already being praised as an independent, fair minded Governor who should be re-elected. I disagree strongly.
Who would you recommend in his place? Who is electable that would promote, rather than damage, our interests?
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Who would you recommend in his place? Who is electable that would promote, rather than damage, our interests?
Brown doesn't deserve support just because there isn't a viable opponent yet. Unfortunately, the kalifornia Republicans will run another RINO, giving us no viable alternative. Libertarian? Another Democrat (pro 2a? Not likely)?

Maybe work on voting out the Democrat majority, taking away their ability to pass anti 2a junk on to the Gov.?

Sorry, I'm mainly an ignorant lurker, but this seems like the only viable way to stop this, and the other nonsense, that passed out of Sacramento this year.
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He signed the lead ammo ban, the firearm safety card law, and a few others and you want to thank him, why?

He is screwing us. **** him.
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Who would you recommend in his place? Who is electable that would promote, rather than damage, our interests?
A straw man question. Your proposition is that an inability to name a candidate to replace Brown, at this early date, therefor means that people should support Brown for re-election? It also implies that you'll support Brown no matter who runs against him. That's because, with your straw man question, I could name anyone and you'd then announce that Brown is a better choice.

Further, the question about who is "electable" is really complex and you know it. It has to do with funding, how effective a campaign is, whether good candidates destroy each other in primaries, whether the right person can survive Taxifornia's ridiculous open primary concept, whether women would support a particular candidate, how a candidate can overcome the public employee unions, whether the candidate violates politically correct speech, and those are only a few complexities.

So, I'm not going to answer your question, and you'll now conclude that everyone should support Brown.
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Gov. Jerry Brown held the line for us and perhaps a few calls into his office to thank him are in order.

Of course the anti's did something we haven't been able to do ourselves, they got more gun owners to actually step up.

This was a major setback for our opponents and we have sent a message across the country that California is a major battleground for gun rights and the anti rights folks just incurred some big loses.

We need to expand on public outreach and one fun way to do that is to take people shooting.

Since the panic buy has been cancelled, I think all of us should get if we don't already have one, a .22lr version of the AR15, preferably the ergonomic version o/w known as the M4 and a standard Ruger 10/22.

When I get new shooters, I let them try both guns. After shooting both guns, the new shooters see that power wise the guns are the same, just different furniture.

Of course it gives me a chance to "mockingly" talk about the "evil features" and other stupid comments from our opponents.

If every gun owner here stepped up a few times per year, we could reach many folks and if we can shift the court of public opinion, the politicians will shift even in this state.

Nicki
I don't disagree with you, but the anti will. They will simply focus on the similarity and try to ban the detachable magazine feature. (Again)
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A straw man question. Your proposition is that an inability to name a candidate to replace Brown, at this early date, therefor means that people should support Brown for re-election? It also implies that you'll support Brown no matter who runs against him. That's because, with your straw man question, I could name anyone and you'd then announce that Brown is a better choice.

Further, the question about who is "electable" is really complex and you know it. It has to do with funding, how effective a campaign is, whether good candidates destroy each other in primaries, whether the right person can survive Taxifornia's ridiculous open primary concept, whether women would support a particular candidate, how a candidate can overcome the public employee unions, whether the candidate violates politically correct speech, and those are only a few complexities.

So, I'm not going to answer your question, and you'll now conclude that everyone should support Brown.
If the only two candidates choices are Newsom and Brown...do you just not vote, then ***** about it when newsom comes in and completely removes 2A in CA?
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If the only two candidates choices are Newsom and Brown...do you just not vote, then ***** about it when newsom comes in and completely removes 2A in CA?
Actually, I think it's a probable scenario that Newsom will run for Guv. Newsom, a portage of Diane Feinstein, and a guy who screwed (one of) his best friend's wife while Newsom was Mayor of San Francisco, is being groomed for either the U.S. Senate or the Governorship. And, given our open primary scheme, which the voters stupidly approved, it's possible no Republican will ever again make it to the actual election. So, we could have to choose between two socialists, in which case I'd vote for whatever 3rd party or write-in candidate, including Howdy Doody, that I could. If there is ANY Republican on a ballot running against Moonbeam, I'll vote for him or her no matter what.

I don't think it's likely that Newsom will run against Moonbeam. I don't think any Dem will run against Moonbeam.
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Actually, I think it's a probable scenario that Newsom will run for Guv. Newsom, a portage of Diane Feinstein, and a guy who screwed (one of) his best friend's wife while Newsom was Mayor of San Francisco, is being groomed for either the U.S. Senate or the Governorship. And, given our open primary scheme, which the voters stupidly approved, it's possible no Republican will ever again make it to the actual election. So, we could have to choose between two socialists, in which case I'd vote for whatever 3rd party or write-in candidate, including Howdy Doody, that I could. If there is ANY Republican on a ballot running against Moonbeam, I'll vote for him or her no matter what.

I don't think it's likely that Newsom will run against Moonbeam. I don't think any Dem will run against Moonbeam.
So let me get this straight...you would vote for an anti-2a repub (aka Whitman) over Brown?

Amusing to say the least.
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So let me get this straight...you would vote for an anti-2a repub (aka Whitman) over Brown?

Amusing to say the least.
You're not quite sure how Whitman would have voted (I even doubt she does) but label her as anti- 2A, but you don't label Jerry as such even though he agrees with Whitman (AW ban and the roster). in fact, he signed more anti gun law than veto just days ago.

How many bills does Jerry need to sign before you call him an anti?
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You're not quite sure how Whitman would have voted (I even doubt she does) but label her as anti- 2A, but you don't label Jerry as such even though he agrees with Whitman (AW ban and the roster). in fact, he signed more anti gun law than veto just days ago.

How many bills does Jerry need to sign before you call him an anti?
Keep living in fantasy land, while we are here in reality. If you vote Democrat, you are the problem. If you vote Republican, you are the problem. If you tow the party line on either side and blindly blast your vote out, you are the problem. Kiss your 2A goodbye with party line rhetoric followers.
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Keep living in fantasy land, while we are here in reality. If you vote Democrat, you are the problem. If you vote Republican, you are the problem. If you tow the party line on either side and blindly blast your vote out, you are the problem. Kiss your 2A goodbye with party line rhetoric followers.
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Thanks for answering my question
You mistake what I was saying, not once in any thread on this forum have I said that Brown is a friend of 2A. I do say that there are much worse candidates who would have done FAR FAR worse then Brown. I did not vote for brown, nor Whitman. However if it truly came down to Brown vs Newsome or Villiregosa? I might acually have to vote D so the 2A bleeding is at least slowed somewhat while we are litigating things in CA
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So let me get this straight...you would vote for an anti-2a repub (aka Whitman) over Brown?

Amusing to say the least.
Glad you're amused. Keep voting liberal.
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Glad you're amused. Keep voting liberal.
Where did I say I vote liberal? Keep being a small minded bigot.
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The funny thing as that you throw away your vote I on someone that can't win or you vote D for the very people writing the bills...actually it is more sad than funny.
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Gov. Jerry Brown held the line for us and perhaps a few calls into his office to thank him are in order.

Of course the anti's did something we haven't been able to do ourselves, they got more gun owners to actually step up.

This was a major setback for our opponents and we have sent a message across the country that California is a major battleground for gun rights and the anti rights folks just incurred some big loses.

We need to expand on public outreach and one fun way to do that is to take people shooting.

Since the panic buy has been cancelled, I think all of us should get if we don't already have one, a .22lr version of the AR15, preferably the ergonomic version o/w known as the M4 and a standard Ruger 10/22.

When I get new shooters, I let them try both guns. After shooting both guns, the new shooters see that power wise the guns are the same, just different furniture.

Of course it gives me a chance to "mockingly" talk about the "evil features" and other stupid comments from our opponents.

If every gun owner here stepped up a few times per year, we could reach many folks and if we can shift the court of public opinion, the politicians will shift even in this state.

Nicki
Are you nuts? Held the line? Did you miss the part where he signed in several new bills? We lost ground, I guarantee you a new bill will be back next year that isn't as restrictive and brown will sign it. The only reason he vetoed 374 is because he knew it went too far and he knew it would potentially take down the assault weapon ban in California.
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The funny thing as that you throw away your vote I on someone that can't win or you vote D for the very people writing the bills...actually it is more sad than funny.
Voting Republican is the same "throwing" away of your vote as voting 3rd party in this state, so keep on with your bigoted delusion.
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I don't think the word bigot applies here, but I am sure you don't care.
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Brown doesn't deserve support just because there isn't a viable opponent yet. Unfortunately, the kalifornia Republicans will run another RINO, giving us no viable alternative. Libertarian? Another Democrat (pro 2a? Not likely)?
Yeah, because a anti gay marriage, anti abortion Reep has a chance in hell of being elected here.......You think the Majority of People in California don't Vote for someone because they're not Conservative enough...........
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I don't think it's likely that Newsom will run against Moonbeam. I don't think any Dem will run against Moonbeam.
Yeah, I bet you'd Vote for Gun-Ban Dan Lungren and boast about it...........
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Men, the anti-gun movement, incl. certain politicians in Sacramento and D.C., has succeeded in turning us against each other, at least this time. Let's declare a truce among ourselves, lock arms, and fight this constant nibbling away of our freedoms together! We're all on the same side. United we stand, one nation under God.

They've also succeeded in getting us to lower our expectations, every time there's a "compromise". I say roll back the compromises, someday.

And I freely acknowledge that it's damned hard to know how to vote in Taxifornia.
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So let me get this straight...you would vote for an anti-2a repub (aka Whitman) over Brown?

Amusing to say the least.
I didn't know that amusing was a synonym for tragic.
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I am getting tired of all the people on here that would, one week ago, have given their left nut for a guarantee that 374 would be vetoed, moping around and saying we didn't win a damn thing, sending hate at brown, whining that we didn't get shall issue and a repeal of the NFA! How about AB-539 that was signed!? The way I read it, it allows a person who gets designated as a prohibited person (this usually happens as a result of a boilerplate TRO that goes along with filing for a divorce) to transfer their guns to an FFL for storage and continue to own them. That is a roll back it's not just holding the line.

Will the professional whiners and haters pleas just take a chill and let the normal people enjoy what clearly was a victory for a day or so.
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Are you nuts? Held the line? Did you miss the part where he signed in several new bills? We lost ground, I guarantee you a new bill will be back next year that isn't as restrictive and brown will sign it. The only reason he vetoed 374 is because he knew it went too far and he knew it would potentially take down the assault weapon ban in California.
+1... he basically told power grabbers how to write the next bill that he will sign if they read his veto memo...
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I guarantee you a new bill will be back next year that isn't as restrictive and brown will sign it.
Is that guarantee as good as the one all the big mouthed partisans on here were making about him signing it this year?
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I find it interesting, though a bit sad, that by not losing more of our rights, we're to the point in this state we call it a win. A win would have been a repeal of the 2000 AWB, or a bill to make all counties Shall Issue. While I'm pleased with the outcome on the 7 vetoes, we just avoided losing, we didn't win...
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Instead of voting for someone who may or may not veto gun control, vote for someone who WILL veto gun control... Tim Donnelly.
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If he makes it to the ballot, he will get my vote.
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How about registering "Decline to State" and voting in the primaries in such a way as to have more control of the anti 2A politicians.
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How about registering "Decline to State" and voting in the primaries in such a way as to have more control of the anti 2A politicians.
This is California.

Saying you support illegals getting driver license, the Dream Act, and Amnesty gets you more votes than saying you support 2A.
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Brown doesn't deserve support just because there isn't a viable opponent yet. Unfortunately, the kalifornia Republicans will run another RINO, giving us no viable alternative. Libertarian? Another Democrat (pro 2a? Not likely)?

Maybe work on voting out the Democrat majority, taking away their ability to pass anti 2a junk on to the Gov.?

Sorry, I'm mainly an ignorant lurker, but this seems like the only viable way to stop this, and the other nonsense, that passed out of Sacramento this year.

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Yeah, because a anti gay marriage, anti abortion Reep has a chance in hell of being elected here.......You think the Majority of People in California don't Vote for someone because they're not Conservative enough...........
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Instead of voting for someone who may or may not veto gun control, vote for someone who WILL veto gun control... Tim Donnelly.
Well put. Although to be fair he signed gun control too. But I see your point.
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power to rise?? we only sent 65,000 letters of opposition to brown not +650,000 or +6,000,000 we are lucky he noticed..
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Some people are so ignorant that if Brown had signed a bill to eliminate the roster they'd be claiming he signed an anti-gun bill. The presence of the word 'firearm' in a bill does not magically make the bill anti-gun.

AB-538, AB-539 and SB-127 were among the bills Brown signed. These bills are not in any way anti-gun, yet they're being counted as anti-gun by people who clearly cannot read/comprehend English.

Yes, he did sign some anti-gun bills. The final count of those bills, however, is not 11.

Also, anti-gun bills are not created equal. AB-180 and SB-475, which Brown vetoed, would have been the beginning of the end for state preemption. Had these been signed, soon enough every large city in the state would want in on the action with their own local anti-gun laws.

The significance of the SB-374, AB-180 and SB-475 vetos alone cannot be overstated. This was a huge loss not just for the anti-gun forces in this state but also those nationally who were hoping CA would raise the gun control bar.

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power to rise?? we only sent 65,000 letters of opposition to brown not +650,000 or +6,000,000 we are lucky he noticed..
I made this point on another thread.

2A supporters in California a FRINGE group. 65,000 is a whimper. Brown did not hear your pleas nor does he care about your thank you letters.

On a singular issue, I've never seen a group so "all over the place."

It's funny and sad at the same time.
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I find it interesting, though a bit sad, that by not losing more of our rights, we're to the point in this state we call it a win. A win would have been a repeal of the 2000 AWB, or a bill to make all counties Shall Issue. While I'm pleased with the outcome on the 7 vetoes, we just avoided losing, we didn't win...
The hell we didn't! I hate to spoil your morose little self pity party, but AB-539 was a win.
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