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Old 02-05-2013, 9:04 AM
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Wow. You sure DiFi ain't a guy? She's got some serious balls....
Don't underestimate her based on her octogenarian appearance and SF Libtard pedigree, she's a tough b*tch. I recently saw this story which reminded me of the reason for her CCW permit on Breitbart.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...y-permit-story
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(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

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(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.


So that would effectively ban all AR and AK pistols, even if they weren't banned by name.
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(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.


So that would effectively ban all AR and AK pistols, even if they weren't banned by name.
And Glocks, 1911s, CZ75s, and Berettas.

This won't have a chance in Hell of passing. All those guns I mentioned above are even more common than the AR15...

But let Feinstein throw her final punches, she knows this is going to be her last chance at passing something like this and even she knows it won't happen. She's just putting on a show for the cameras...
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Strange, I checked the exemption list and my grandfather's centerfire autoloading deer rifle, a Winchester Model 100, is NOT listed. Made back in 1961 or 62. Holds 4 rounds max. No pistol grip or other evil features.

I guess Gramps had him a bonafide AssSalt Weapon before they even became fashionable!
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Don't underestimate her based on her octogenarian appearance and SF Libtard pedigree, she's a tough b*tch. I recently saw this story which reminded me of the reason for her CCW permit on Breitbart.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...y-permit-story
Um ... she forgot to mention that the windows were "shot out" with a BB gun and the the "bomb" was an IID that would have caused cosmetic damage at best. It's the same crap ALF and ELF use on animal researchers' and university professors' cars. Good for cars. Bad for dwellings.

As usual ... she overdramatized her situation.
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`(36) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
`(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:
`(i) A pistol grip.
`(ii) A forward grip.
`(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.
`(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.
`(v) A barrel shroud.
`(vi) A threaded barrel.
`(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
`(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.
So looks like she's going after .22lr rifles like the GSG-5, M&P 15-22, and the Sig 522. And "C" appears to target the slidefire stock.

Oh and where is my freaking rocket launcher attached to my "assault weapon" I supposedly can have right now? lol
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Wow. All or nothing in this bill!
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Wow. All or nothing in this bill!
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING she can get her bony, wrinkled, arthritic, gun grabbing claws on.

Not one inch!
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We need to continue to call her office and voice our opposition against her bills. The Sheriffs of Ca don't like her bills or what she stands for. I'd like to know if the NRA is going to fight this. Feinstein is a bad omen. She needs to remember Karma.
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Feinstein. Is going after my Ruger 10-22 that I've had for over 27 yrs. My 22 cal rifle hasn't done anything except shoot targets and shoot at the range with my father. Is she crazy trying to ban my 27 year old gun what is she thinking?
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Yeah, this gun bill is really nuts, it's funny how she even included .22LR versions of the AR, like those are used so much by criminals. What has me worried more than what DiFi is trying to get passed nationally is what might happen here in CA. The fact that they passed a major ban bill in NY without any debate or voter review has me concerned that they might try something like that here too and it doesn't help matters that Bloomberg(?) obviously doesn't have enough to do in NYC and is trying to influence people nationwide on the "evilness" of guns.
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has anybody heard of ATF going into gun stores and coping down info on form 4473
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Funny how they got the thingy that goes over the barrel on the list of features...
Some of you think this won't pass? Obama is campaining like he was running for office on this cr*ppy bill. We have to fight this one HARD!
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O sweet Lord.

Keep fighting my friends. It's gonna be a lonnnnnng year.
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Some good rules;

Be Informed: Many pundits / out-spoken persons against 2nd amendment / or just gun-fearful individuals - Have false facts and are reacting to RECENT issues/deaths.

Like a horse with blinders they fail to view the nation as a whole over time.

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See this: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/30/gu...eins-gun-bill/

It lays out EXACTLY that the treacherous feinstein's real plan is to do away
with ALL semi-autos AND the parts and parts kits capable of fixing them once
they break.
I already wrote to Representative Devin Nunes about this treachery. Write
yours!
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Wow, that bill is hardcore.

Seems like the classic 2 steps forward, 1 step back approach.

They propose a ridiculously strict bill.

It passes: Yay for them. They win.

It doesn't pass: Re-write it slightly less restrictive. Introduce it again. This time it passes. They win.

No more, Not 1 inch. This must be struck down.
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Wow, that bill is hardcore.

Seems like the classic 2 steps forward, 1 step back approach.

They propose a ridiculously strict bill.

It passes: Yay for them. They win.

It doesn't pass: Re-write it slightly less restrictive. Introduce it again. This time it passes. They win.

No more, Not 1 inch. This must be struck down.
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And Glocks, 1911s, CZ75s, and Berettas.

This won't have a chance in Hell of passing. All those guns I mentioned above are even more common than the AR15...

But let Feinstein throw her final punches, she knows this is going to be her last chance at passing something like this and even she knows it won't happen. She's just putting on a show for the cameras...
I don't think it means those handguns. I think it's referring to the UZI, Mini UZI, and MAC type semi-auto variants and clones.

But who knows. You could be right.
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Folks, let us get a handle on our emotions - I remind you all that the first post says

Comments that are merely an insult to the Senator and any co-sponsors should be sent directly to her contact page, https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub....cfm/e-mail-me - or, better, withheld entirely.
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^^^ exactly! We need to stop giving them Intel - let 'em stay confused.

sooner or later they will create a law against the lateral spring compressor method and the cover insert with gantry tube... once they figure those out we're screwed...

Keep 'em guessing...
As long as they fail to account for combustion retention coil returns they will never truly ban "assault weapons".

But even if they pass a ban I'll just install the rapid recovery actuation piston to my bolt action guns and let them cry about that.

Let them try to stop my fun.

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I've been trying to read as much as I can about this, but really what is the likelihood that this will pass? I think I read in another thread about long gun registration from a while back and people saying it had little chance to pass, yet it did, and people were shocked. Are all these weapons to be banned and we the people to be shocked yet again when this bill, and others, pass?
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Assuming these "graphs" are correct, what they tell me is urban areas are more likely to vote Democrat, and urban areas have more crime. Neither comes as a big surprise.

It would be interesting to see these same plots from a year when the Republican party was strong - like during Reagan's term. I'm sure the crime map would look similar, but the voting map might look very different.

Yes, there are far more gun grabber "D's" than "R's" today, but don't get fooled into thinking D=bad, R=good. Though I must admit all the ones on my very very naughty list recently are D's.
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I think she has written a bill so far out there that nothing will come out of it, and while this bill is alive no other legislation will be submitted. This bill gives those who are in anti districts cover by supporting it, and those in pro districts cover by not supporting it.

See everyone happy (in Congress).
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When Diane Feinstein first announced that she would be introducing an AW bill, her website contained a summary of what the bill would contain. The summary stated that there would be federal registration of AW's, a ban on transfering AW's, and "dedicated funding" to the ATF for overseeing registration - scary stuff. However, when the actual bill was released, I do not see any mention of federal registration in the bill. In fact, there is a provision for background checks when transfering an AW, so it looks like grandfathered weapons will be transferable. Am I missing something?
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(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

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(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.


So that would effectively ban all AR and AK pistols, even if they weren't banned by name.
And M1As, too!
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I think this is a "grab as much as we can, some will pass some won't" but anything will be a win for them.

this is why I always say NOT ONE INCH! because they will do this again and grab a little more...then a little more until 2A is erased from the Constitution.

give up nothing.
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The only reason they're even going through the motions in this is out of professional respect for a long time Senator and colleague. As written it doesn't have a chance of passing.

However some newer Senators and Representatives got it right and have bills going at it California style by chipping away but by bit with Universal Background checks and mag bans that allow grandfathering... Those are bills that actually have a chance and will unfortunately "pass the torch" from DiFi to a new generation of grabbers... Errr I mean "leaders in gun violence prevention".

Hey wait a minute, is it just me or is that the new buzz word for Gun Control: Gun Violence Prevention Measures
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When Diane Feinstein first announced that she would be introducing an AW bill, her website contained a summary of what the bill would contain. The summary stated that there would be federal registration of AW's, a ban on transfering AW's, and "dedicated funding" to the ATF for overseeing registration - scary stuff. However, when the actual bill was released, I do not see any mention of federal registration in the bill. In fact, there is a provision for background checks when transfering an AW, so it looks like grandfathered weapons will would be transferable. Am I missing something?
yes, you are missing something... you phrased it as if it is going to happen and not if it happens...

not to worry - I edited it for you.
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LOL at people assuming nothing will pass. Same people who said that in 1994.
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LOL at people assuming nothing will pass. Same people who said that in 1994.
Keep in mind that the NRA was not as large and powerful back then as it is now. For that matter, the internet was still in it's infancy, it had not yet evolved into the ubiquitous communication system that it eventually became, thus neutering our capacity to fight it short of writing to our Congressmen/women.

Also, the AWB (which was part of a larger anti-crime bill) just barely passed the House by one vote. And this was when the House was under Democrat control. It's definitely not as "Black and White" now as it was back then.

Our chances of defeating it are MUCH greater now, especially since it's now a stand-alone bill than it was 21 years ago.
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LOL at people assuming nothing will pass. Same people who said that in 1994.
if this is in response to the post above yours... there's a big difference between "can" happen and "will" happen...

And recognizing that difference does not mean there's a assumption that noting will pass.

Why is it less foolish to assume it will pass than know that it might not?
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Predictably, Feinstein's gun ban bill was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which she chairs. All Republicans voted against it.

The only thing you are going to hear/read in the mainstream media is a heated exchange between Feinstein and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who was a law clerk for the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. You have to be a superstar law school grad to get that job, by the way. Cruz simply talked about the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment. Feinstein reacted with anger, because she can't react factually. She also knows, as a career politician, that her undignified anger will be the only sound byte/video clip on the mass media reporting. The media will probably not report on the important and draconian restrictions in this bill.

The link below describes some of the details in this bill, which will now go to a floor vote at the whim of Harry Reid. There is another link within the story which contains the named firearms that would henceforth be prohibited.

What does "prohibited" mean? It means the "sale, manufacture, transfer, or importation". If you have any firearms that have any of the features Feinstein and her colleagues find distasteful, you can never sell (transfer) them if this becomes law. Included are so-called "high capacity" magazines, which are defined as more than ten rounds. Among the distasteful features are bullet buttons which allow the rapid replacement of magazines. We now have to wonder how magazines can be replaced.

You will be humbly grateful to your caring government by the inclusion of a specific list of 2,200 firearms which liberals have decided you may own. Proponents will trumpet their bipartisan compromise and gracious generosity in this regard.

One problem with this sort of law making is that if a manufacturer wants to bring a new design to market, it, by definition, is not on the sanctified list of allowed firearms. Then what? This provision will probably freeze all further development of firearms design in the U.S.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/03/14...tees-approval/

Here is additional detail from Feinstein's own website:

"The legislation bans the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.

All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).

The legislation excludes the following weapons from the bill:

Any weapon that is lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment;

Any firearm manually operated by a bolt, pump, lever or slide action;

Assault weapons used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement; and
Antique weapons.

The legislation strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test.

The bill also makes the ban harder to evade by eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test.
Banning dangerous aftermarket modifications and workarounds.

Bump or slide fire stocks, which are modified stocks that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire at rates similar to fully automatic machine guns.

So-called “bullet buttons” that allow the rapid replacement of ammunition magazines, frequently used as a workaround to prohibitions on detachable magazines.

Thumbhole stocks, a type of stock that was created as a workaround to avoid prohibitions on pistol grips.

Adding a ban on the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.

Eliminating the 10-year sunset that allowed the original federal ban to expire."
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retired law enforcement also exempted?
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Folks: please do a bit of research before you light your hair afire and run about aimlessly.

Here's a headline and a link (Bloomberg).

Assault Weapons Ban Lacks Democratic Votes to Pass Senate

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ss-senate.html

(CDF): I urge all gun owners to resist the urge to leap before looking.

That means read something other than Fox News [sic].

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This is at the fed level. Which means it is basically irrelevant. you guys are forgetting we live in Kalifornia. Things are going to get ugly this year, so fasten your seat belt.
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This is at the fed level. Which means it is basically irrelevant.
Disagree with that part.


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you guys are forgetting we live in Kalifornia.
It's too painful to forget.


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Things are going to get ugly this year, so fasten your seat belt.
Absolutely agree with that on more levels than gun control for this state. It is rapidly being governed into the trash heap.
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Folks: please do a bit of research before you light your hair afire and run about aimlessly.

Here's a headline and a link (Bloomberg).

Assault Weapons Ban Lacks Democratic Votes to Pass Senate
everybody already knows that. This bill should be read for information on what they are thinking and how off-base they are, not to be concerned about it actually passing. Its almost silly for us to waste energy worrying about what is going to pass on the federal level when in CA we are going to get the federal requirements^2
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