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Old 02-28-2013, 7:11 PM
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I Just wanted to pass on something I frequently do to get insight into potential prepping gear.

I live downtown and observe a lot of homeless folks living on the street, I'm a security patrol officer so I also run into a fair share on my route.

I always take note of what type of gear they carry and use (blankets, headlamps, boots, backpacks, etc) and gauge how well it's held up. These items they carry are used every day and you'd be surprised how much quality gear they actually have. There innovation is pretty ingenious sometimes, so take note and observe, you just might get some ideas!
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bubble wrap is pretty decent to lay on if all else fails
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And they taste like chicken........
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Please share some insights.
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its about bare essentials to survive, blankets and clothing.
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its about bare essentials to survive, blankets and clothing.
i see that many of them have tents. lots of them under the overpasses off the 710 fwy.
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Every morning the free newspaper bins get raided for hobo toilet paper. Genius I say! Read, then wipe!
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So I should stock up on cardboard and sharpie markers?
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And they taste like chicken........
More like chicken with salmonella, ecoli and the worst case of oily orange butt leakage ever.

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That, and they rely on someone else to feed them.

There is a reason they don't survive well.
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And you should also be stricken with schizophrenia. That is one thing most of these great survivors have in common.
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I remember a story from when I lived on Maui Hawaii a Native American
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"urban outdoorsman" that is the newest word for homelessness ) dug out his own "cave" into the dirt near a local beach. clever but I'm not sure how safe it is. given the possibility of the cave collapsing while you were inside.
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For longer travels and if the load is heavy.... bring a shopping cart.
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Now that there's funny, I don't care who you are...
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this thread went to **** real quick. The OP had a point.
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Smart homeless live in San Diego. Moderate climate, lots of parks, lots of impromptu shelters and lots of recycling centers. Good Jeans, layers of shirts and jackets, and a simple backpack is all you need. Start diving for cans around 3am and by the time the recyclers open up you can have $60.00 in cans/bottles and that is your day. And it those are just the ones who don't want to stress out their knees working the stoplights for change.
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Come to Fresno. The city has given homeless millions of dollars from court cases (collected their stuff and threw it away). That's why they have the good urban outdoorsman gear around here.
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Every morning the free newspaper bins get raided for hobo toilet paper. Genius I say! Read, then wipe!
Newspaper is also excellent insulation from the cold. It can be laid on the ground to keep your body heat from being depleted by cold ground, or it can be stuffed under clothing.

It is also great for helping to get campfires started.
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Start diving for cans around 3am and by the time the recyclers open up you can have $60.00 in cans/bottles and that is your day.
No kidding. Visit a state beach, collectors are like prostitutes working their "turf", one on a couple of days, another a couple more, and so on. Smart system. Out of staters could give a rats azz about redeeming CRV, especially while burning through vacation buck$. And the taxes are already paid!
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this thread went to **** real quick. The OP had a point.
The OP had a point--you can learn something useful from observing the homeless.

Perhaps most of the other posters, like me, were expecting the OP to go on then share some of the things he learned through his careful observation and note-taking. Perhaps their responses reflect some of their disappointment.
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this thread went to **** real quick. The OP had a point.
I think he expected someone to add to it.

You didn't.

The homeless are not Lewis and friggin Clark. They are me, 40 years ago, crawling on the center line hoping I get home.

Except I had a home.
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There's a guy downtown who has pants that double as a urinal.
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has anyone tried talking to any of them? most of them are regular people that are just going through tough times for one reason or another... anyhow if you engage one in conversation give them a smoke and ask them about how they survive. im sure youll learn valuable information. just stay away from the ones that are already having a conversation.... with themselves.
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They can't be real good at what they do. We have several die from exposure up here every year.

We had one about a year ago that passed out on the railroad tracks and lost his head over it.
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has anyone tried talking to any of them? most of them are regular people that are just going through tough times for one reason or another...
A bunch realized that they can earn $20-40 per hour panhandling. No boss, no work stress, no taxes, no deadlines. And an endless supply of suckers willing to give them free money
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has anyone tried talking to any of them? most of them are regular people that are just going through tough times for one reason or another... anyhow if you engage one in conversation give them a smoke and ask them about how they survive. im sure youll learn valuable information. just stay away from the ones that are already having a conversation.... with themselves.
We have one of those self talking people here in my hood. I observed the guy many times. He is not bothering anyone but my god he is having arguements all the time....also watched him doing crossword puzzles....so who knows?
It is sad that we have homeless period .
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A bunch realized that they can earn $20-40 per hour panhandling. No boss, no work stress, no taxes, no deadlines. And an endless supply of suckers willing to give them free money

Plus if they find a prius they can have a soup kitchen.
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Everything i know about the homeless i learned from South Park.
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I dont think the OP meant to slander the homeless but rather to look at survival and prepping from their perspective. I for one dont worry about prepping but I understand where the OP is coming from. The homeless put prepping and survival as a priority and so therefore they come up with pretty ingenious ideas and techniques to sustain their life. I have never been and dont ever expect to be homeless but by being observant and not so judgemental, Im sure I can learn a few things that might help me should I ever be.
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I dont think the OP meant to slander the homeless but rather to look at survival and prepping from their perspective. I for one dont worry about prepping but I understand where the OP is coming from. The homeless put prepping and survival as a priority and so therefore they come up with pretty ingenious ideas and techniques to sustain their life. I have never been and dont ever expect to be homeless but by being observant and not so judgemental, Im sure I can learn a few things that might help me should I ever be.
I agree and assumed that this went without saying.
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treat them to a free meal and they can teach you how to make boobie traps!
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Alright, since some of you obviously are missing the point, I'll specify a bit.

I've heard a lot of folks debate how to move their items around securely in a SHTF scenario. Well, I've seen a fella use a large locking chest (like a big treasure chest), attach two wheelbarrow tires to it, and towed it behind his bike using curtain rods. Total cost: 0$

Also ran into another "gentleman" who swore by his wool blankets, said he seeks em out at thrift shops for dirt cheap. He mentioned cotton will get you killed in the cold rain.

This thread is not about the unstable lunatic pissing himself on the corner. Believe it or not some of these "urban survivalists" are pretty creative and some of them would fair quite well if S were to HTF. Poor and unfortunate does not always equal useless and dependent.
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In an urban setting if SHTF you would be better off dressing like a homeless person if you had to go out. All this camo gear we have is just a signal to someone else that you are stocked with what they are looking for and or are a threat to them. Who wants what the homeless guy has? Miss matched, over sized (hides weapons well) and dirty is good and a grocery cart would be a good prop. As for warmth, layering is always your best choice.
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I agree that they having living on the streets down to a science, but they are still reliant on the system for money, health care, food, water and even for dumpster diving. If the system broke down, they would be just as desperate as anyone else. They typically do not have a food supply lasting more than a day or so and their water needs are mostly reliant on the system also. If TSHTF they will be schrounging and fighting just like 99% of the population. And you can't say they are living well at all. Yes they are adept at living outside with little creatur comforts, but I would rather learn about survival from backpacking than the homeless. I deal with them a lot as a first responder and their existence is not something I want to emulate. Hopefully after 10 years of survival, I do not look as bad as them. You have to understand that their tent cities are able to exist because the system allows them to. In a survival situation those will not exist. They will be raiding each other unless they are organized and motivated to survive as a community. Most of the homeless I encounter are loaners or have short lived acquaintances. Not someone you can count on to help you. Homeless is the antithesis of prepping, there is no prepping or forethought involved.

There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between. There is not too much to learn except how to live poorly. Pretty much everyone knows that having a tent, some wool blankets and a few other items will keep you going for quite a long time, but you do not have to observe the homeless to learn some basic survival skills. There are people who are homeless temporarily for circumstances beyond their control; with assistance, and some of their effort (and not being hampered by some type of addiction), they may have a chance to get out, but the chronically homeless choose to be that way. The best thing to learn is to not live like they do. Prepare, have good gear, have a plan, have supplies, have a survival mindset.

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You could still learn a good deal about their boobie traps. I have done a good amount of ministry outreaches to the homeless and you never enter into their camps without permision because they are booby traped with some nasty DIY booby traps. Get them to teach you it and you can make effective bootytraps for any tresspasseres hehe
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I have a friend who I ride motorcycles with. He was technically "homeless" for a while.
For a period of several years after he got out of the Army, he "lived rough", totally off the grid, and jobless.
He set snares for food. Harvested wild edibles. Set fish traps in streams.
Came into town on occasion to visit the charities for some free canned goods and some replacement clothing.
He went through a period of time where he didn't want to be found by someone he was in the Army with. He got word that the guy had died. He then got himself together, cleaned himself up, and got a good paying job and place to live.
Some people have a good reason for being homeless.
Some, a very few, have the skills to also live off the land as opposed to living of the combination of charity and the refuse of others.
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Those people standing at every intersection are not real homeless people. They are lazy beggers. Take a look they are clean shaven. Sitting there smoking their $6.00 pack of cigs. I have seen them leave countless drinks, pcs of fruit and sandwiches that people have given them right at the spot they were standing. I have seen real homeless people in LA where I deliver and they are a whole different person. JMO
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Alright, since some of you obviously are missing the point, I'll specify a bit.

I've heard a lot of folks debate how to move their items around securely in a SHTF scenario. Well, I've seen a fella use a large locking chest (like a big treasure chest), attach two wheelbarrow tires to it, and towed it behind his bike using curtain rods. Total cost: 0$

Also ran into another "gentleman" who swore by his wool blankets, said he seeks em out at thrift shops for dirt cheap. He mentioned cotton will get you killed in the cold rain.

This thread is not about the unstable lunatic pissing himself on the corner. Believe it or not some of these "urban survivalists" are pretty creative and some of them would fair quite well if S were to HTF. Poor and unfortunate does not always equal useless and dependent.
THE S**T HAS HIT THE FAN if your homeless - yes & no. The difference between the homeless and SHTF survivors is the homeless are living in an environment where there are resources (i.e. non homeless) and are not competing with a boatload of survivors. Not so sure there's anything to be learned except that I would not want to be in their shoes or lack there of.

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