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Old 09-07-2007, 9:46 PM
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Is Hunting Racist?

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By KELLY OVERTON

It's autumn, the time of year when millions of Americans renew their love affair with guns and head for the woods in a preemptive strike in their war against wildlife. Hunters justify this slaughter by claiming to reduce incidents of human/animal conflict. They tell us they must kill to protect Americans from automobile/deer collisions * and save animals from certain starvation. They would have us believe that hunting is not only good for people, but also good for the animals they kill. Yet in reality, hunting is neither useful nor necessary. It is an environmentally and socially destructive practice historically grounded in racial injustice.

There is no truth to the myth that hunting reduces human/animal conflict. In fact, automobile/deer collisions actually increase during hunting season as deer are flushed from forests and onto roadways. The presence of wildlife in our yards, cities, and highways is due not to an increase in the number of animals, but to a staggering decrease in wilderness. We live in a culture that has accepted hunting for so many generations that we can no longer see the forest through the disappearing trees. The animals are not invading our territory * we have increasingly invaded theirs. It is our society's constant destruction of wilderness that causes human/animal conflict. In an age of water shortages and global warming our natural resources merit a sophisticated ecosystem protection policy * a policy in which humane wildlife management is one important aspect.

The tragic histories of the passenger pigeon and the American buffalo show us that hunters are sometimes the last to realize the delicate nature of animal populations. Hunting is not an effective method of wildlife management; the "need" to hunt on an annual basis is proof itself of hunting's ineffectiveness. Hunters' claims of conservationism are necessary because admitting that you enjoy killing is a less than flattering attribute. Hunters make the cruel choice to shoot animals instead of skeet or targets. And cruel it is.

There is nothing as heartbreaking as the sight of a bird shot from flight or witnessing a gunned down deer's last moments - the blood, the panicked breathing, the struggle, the recognition of what is happening, and the animal's visible desire to survive.

While some people may view hunting as a harmless cultural tradition, in fact, hunting is a stubborn holdover from our country's racist past. While many still consider it an annual rite of passage for white children to stalk through rural communities with loaded guns, it is a crime for a minority child to possess a gun in his urban neighborhood. A gun remains a traditional right for many boys in white, rural America, a tradition that would get a Latino boy killed or imprisoned in our cities. That we allow, even encourage, one segment of our population to run amuck with guns, while imprisoning others, is blatantly racist.

In a year when many cities are struggling with a disturbing reemergence of gun violence, America must rethink the continued glorification of guns and killing. The cruel reality of hunting blurs the message we deliver to our children about guns and violence in this country. We cannot simultaneously discourage gun violence and encourage hunting. Both cruelty and compassion are contagious, and it is our responsibility to plant the seeds of a compassionate culture for future generations. Children who learn to empathize with animals are much more likely to become empathetic adults. There is nothing good that comes from the murder of vulnerable creatures. Hunting teaches it is acceptable, even admirable, to kill a defenseless creature. Hunting is the opposite of caring.

We should celebrate when our children plant their first tree or spend their first day volunteering at a homeless shelter * not when they gun down their first animal. By abandoning hunting in favor of state-of-the-art methods of ecosystem management we can save two birds without picking up a single stone. We can forever improve the quality of life for both humans and animals while teaching our children a crucial lesson about compassion, mercy, and living in harmony with all of the earth's creatures.

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While many still consider it an annual rite of passage for white children to stalk through rural communities with loaded guns, it is a crime for a minority child to possess a gun in his urban neighborhood. A gun remains a traditional right for many boys in white, rural America, a tradition that would get a Latino boy killed or imprisoned in our cities. That we allow, even encourage, one segment of our population to run amuck with guns, while imprisoning others, is blatantly racist.
Is the author actually trying to say that a white child hunting in a rural area should be treated the same as a minority carrying a weapon in a large city?
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Wow, thanks for posting that article, I feel stupider for having read it.

Its a shame that the poor inner city children dont get the education they need.
Children who grow up around guns, hunting, target shooting, etc. learn respect for firearms and how to safely handle them.
Children who grow up in the city are educated by 50 cent and Ludacris, they grow up thinking that shooting each other is the thing to do.
If we want to discuss racism, lets talk about the racist minority communities who want to blame the "white man" for all thier ills, instead of looking in the mirror to find the actual problem. Not only is the author of this article of below average intelligence, its obvious that they themselves are racist.

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The tragic histories of the American buffalo show us that hunters are sometimes the last to realize the delicate nature of animal populations.
Stupid wench, the Buffalo were killed as part of war. It was the only way whitey could bend the will of the Plains People. The Buffalo weren’t hunted, they were exterminated.

As for hunting itself being racist, lets just say my county’s search and rescue have to rescue hunters every year, and they ain’t the local white boys that are being rescued. Usually it is a latino or asian from the valley who gets lost in the hills. Hunting is a multi-racial sport.
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humm... so kids packing and shooting each other in the city is the same as people hunting out in the woods??? WOW!!! I wonder if those kids in the city eat what they shoot.

but with all seriousness... everyone is entitled to their own opinions... no matter how stupid it is.
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Unf---in believable. That is the most idiotic thing I have read in a longtime. Don't even waste your time debating that idiots views.
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By abandoning hunting in favor of state-of-the-art methods of ecosystem management we can save two birds without picking up a single stone. We can forever improve the quality of life for both humans and animals while teaching our children a crucial lesson about compassion, mercy, and living in harmony with all of the earth's creatures.

"State of the art methods of ecosystem control" = large traps with acorns for bait.


Then a gov't official can euthanize the deer with ease. No guns or racism involved.
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Stupid wench....
Exactly what I was thinking.
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wow before clicking i really thought this was going to be some dumb crap about how it is racist because deer and boar are brown not white
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She's right in that it's the HUMAN RACE vs them animals

Is she suggesting that perhaps Instead of spending so much money on going hunting, Gear, DFG license and tags, practice (for those who don't want to look silly out in the field), and glorifying upland wing shooters, it's much more efficient to have someone else kill and process the birds?

perhaps like this chicken processing company does?

What would she say about watching a hawk on TV do it's work. The "sight of a bird _hawked_ from flight [deleted] - the blood, the panicked breathing, the struggle, the recognition of what is happening, and the animal's visible desire to survive."

Wait a minute, which animals desire to survive?
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Last time I was near any hunting areas in LA I would say about 70-80% of hunters were hispanic. I wonder where this woman is looking?
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Last time I was near any hunting areas in LA I would say about 70-80% of hunters were hispanic. I wonder where this woman is looking?
Just looking at stereotypes. Don't you know all gun owners and hunters are stupid, fat loser rednecks?

What a stupid article. Only a fool would equate a kid with a hunting rifle with a 15 year old gang banger running around with a illegal pistol shoved in the pocket of his baggy jeans.
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That's so bad, I think I just got cancer.
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Just looking at stereotypes. Don't you know all gun owners and hunters are stupid, fat loser rednecks?

What a stupid article. Only a fool would equate a kid with a hunting rifle with a 15 year old gang banger running around with a illegal pistol shoved in the pocket of his baggy jeans.
Hey... can a Chinese guy be a redneck??? I'm already fat and a loser
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Last time I was near any hunting areas in LA I would say about 70-80% of hunters were hispanic. I wonder where this woman is looking?
her head is up her arse, i dont think she sees anything but brown
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Rh3431, I guess you can be a redneck if you want!
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Hunting is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial sport. As long as you've got a rifle, a license and a tag you can go hunt no matter what race you are. My Paw is friends with this really cool black guy that he hunts with each season, and with the Hispanic population rising you can definetely expect to see a lot of them afield, hunting alongside us "racist" whites.

She erroneously believes that hunters cause animals to become extinct, when we help to keep populations in check that otherwise would multiply, overpopulate, and starve to death. There are not many natural predators left anymore, and so it has become the hunter's job to cut down the game population so it won't throw the whole food chain out of whack.

She also fails to mention the massive amount of cash we pump into the government and the economy, what with all the licenses, tags, guns, gear, and various other taxes, hunters have been paying a lot intot he system for some time. I can guarantee that she hasn't even seen a hunter, let alone talked to one.
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Wow, thanks for posting that article, I feel stupider for having read it..
+10000000000, I want the 45 seconds of my life back that it took to read this drivel. Did this doooode goe to the Michal moore skuewl of Lerming or what.........
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It's a blatant appeal to emotion to support her flawed views. Hunters are the largest contributors to animal conservation by a long shot, both financially and by our hobbies. She has no idea what the hell she is talking about.
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OMG they have a myspace blog for it. I might just create an account just to reply to it.
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Wow. I know some people she should meet.

IMO, every kid that's mature enough should get their first rifle or shotgun before their drivers license, no matter where they live.

I know three big hunters in the Bay Area. One of them is a white guy...
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Wow. I know some people she should meet.

IMO, every kid that's mature enough should get their first rifle or shotgun before their drivers license, no matter where they live.

I know three big hunters in the Bay Area. One of them is a white guy...

He's a token.

That article just showed how stupid some people can be. You can't fix people that stupid, you just have to find some way to keep them from breeding.
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......, you just have to find some way to keep them from breeding.
Just tell 'em It IS for the children. (just not thiers!)...they would be leaving a HUGE eco footprint and damaging countless millions of species with thier progeny
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Well, let's look at just a few of the major flaws in your article...

You claim that hunters cause extinctions. This may have been true in the past, but these were usually commercial hunters, and the bison were practically wiped out as a form of warfare. Hunters in this day and age are conservationists: we make sure not to hunt a species to extinction. Just take a look at Ducks Unlimited, for example. It's a hunting organization dedicated to ensuring that waterfowl populations remain healthy. There are more like it, do some research next time.

You try to insinuate that hunting seasons cause more car-deer accidents. Prove the cause and effect. I have an alternative cause for you: deer hutning seasons are scheduled during the "rut" when bucks are pursuing does to mate with. Gee, you don't suppose the deer are going to travel a bit more when they're looking for mates, do you? That they might become more active? Usually, a deer's life consists of hiding, eating, hiding, and sleeping. The rut changes that.

You make an emotional appeal to people, using descriptions of a hunted animal's last moments. I wonder, though, if you've ever seen a prey animal's final moments at the hands of a non-human predator? Wolves don't always wait for that deer to die before they start eating it. At least a human hunter tries to achieve the quickest kill possible for the animal. They don't have to have their last moments be a traumatic life-or-death chase, then a struggle followed by being eaten while they're too weak to prevent it. A clean shot on a deer with a rifle, and the deer is dead in seconds. The bird on the wing? Dead before it hits the ground.

Your assertion that hunting is racist is appalling. Nothing could be more idiotic or untrue. I know several hunters here in CA, and 2/3 of them are NOT white. You could say it's a "good ol' boys" thing, too, but I'd counter with the fact that I know several women who hunt. My mother hunted for years. How is this a "white culture" thing, anyway? Weren't the Native Americans the first hunters in the area that the USA now covers?

I don't understand why you claim it's not Ok for children from cities to hunt and own a gun. Why not? Aren't they as responsible as children from rural areas? Sounds like the racist might just be the person you see in the mirror.

You try to link violence to hunting. This is as out there as trying to claim hunting is racist. Why is it that in areas where hunting is a common pastime, violent crime is low? Why is it that myself and my brother each got our first SHOTGUNS at age 14 - not some over/under that's only good for sporting clays, either, I got a 20 gauge pump action that held 4 +1 and my brother got a 12 gauge pump that holds 5 +1. Neither of us has committed ANY violent crime, much less shot anybody. I'm 30, my brother is two years younger, and both of us have always had at least one firearm in each of our homes. That means I've been a gun-owning hunter for 16 years, more than half my life. By your logic, having hunted and killed animals since the age of 12, I'd be a homicidal maniac by now. But I'm not. Please, explain how that happened.

You claim that hunting is not a good way to commune with nature. I disagree. You're obviously laboring under the assumption that hunting consists of grabbing a boom stick, driving to the woods, walking for five minutes into the woods, shooting an animal and drinking a beer. You have no clue. You have to scout an area to hunt, which usually gives you great opportunities to see the animals you want to hunt before the season starts. You have to do it quietly and cautiously, or the animals may be scared away for the season. Then, when you do hunt, you have to spend time trying to get close to the animals you want, without spooking them (deer are equal parts ears, nose, legs and paranoid) AND when you're close enough, you have to have a clean shot that won't simply wound an animal. Most of your time spent hunting consists of sitting or quietly walking around, eyes and ears tuned to what's around you, and just drinking in where you are. I've been just as happy with my unsuccessful hunting days as I have with the successful ones.

Hunting has given myself and the vast majority of hunters I know nothing but respect for the natural world and life in general. We all understand at a level you obviously never will that nature isn't a theme park, or a car safari, but a place where animals (sometimes people) kill, eat other animals and die. If you eat meat, but can't stand the thought of killing what you eat for yourself... you might want to do some soul-searching on that.
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That was a really nice post.

However, re the Buffalo/Bison - loss of habitat was a reason for virtual extinction, too. They need vast swaths of grasslands to survive. Barbed wire and permanent structures interfered with that.

But really, that was a great post. Lots of facts, intelligent reason and you held back the vitriol.

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Yeah, I knew my reply would never see the light of day on her blog... That's why I copied it here.

Here's a fun quote from a response that was "good enough" (IE: agreed with her) on a different article:

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I couldn't agree more. To deny that we have hunting instincts is small-minded.

ETA: Heh, I was assuming this person was a woman because the name is "Kelly." It's a guy.
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I guy wrote that? I assumed by the tone of the article (not the stupidity of it) that a woman wrote it.
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Camping is pretty racist too.

White kids out in the country can go outside and sleep peacefully in a tent under the stars.

But if children of color in the cities go outside to sleep they will be arrested for vagrancy or robbed by urban criminals. Even if they are left alone, the sound of traffic on the city steets will keep them up all night.

Stop camping now!
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Rh3431, I guess you can be a redneck if you want!
YES!!!!! This is the best moment of my life!!!

I bet that wench would say that we were being racist because we're using the term "redneck" with a chinese guy O_o
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Another tree loving hippie pulling the race card. I'll say it! I'm not even white. Frocking tree hippies.
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YES!!!!! This is the best moment of my life!!!

I bet that wench would say that we were being racist because we're using the term "redneck" with a chinese guy O_o
You just have to go through the rite of initiation: Get a farmer's tan (well, a sunburn at least), drive a pickup truck, buy a shotgun and drink a beer.

Family reunions are optional.
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You just have to go through the rite of initiation: Get a farmer's tan (well, a sunburn at least), drive a pickup truck, buy a shotgun and drink a beer.

Family reunions are optional.
Alright!!! I qualify. I've already got a tank-top tan, drive a truck, got a few shotguns, and drink lots of beer with the beer belly to match!!!

Just had a family reunion in June!!!!

So am I officially a redneck????
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like she's seen anything bigger than a crab from her pubic hair die before. please.
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Family reunions are optional.
Dang, I'm working on the truck. Not really interested in the shotgun, or the beer.
What's the redneck version of a day tripper?
I borrow my dad's truck. I have a designated truck gun. I've got the tan.
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I don't know where to begin. First hunting is a better way to procure meat then the commercial meat plants. I've been to slaughter houses so I can't see an arguement that leading a cow to repeatedly bludgeoned on the head with a blunt object that takes a while to kill it is better then a bullet or arrow that kills pretty quickly. Also in the wild the animal got to live a life a cow is kept and raised only to be killed for meat.

Comparing a white kid in the country to a minority in the urban area is far more racist then hunting will ever be. The auther is sugesting that only white kids live and hunt in the country and only minorities have guns in the urban areas. Nice stereotyping. I believe all kids should be taught how to use a gun regardless of race or location. Many hunters I know are not white. And comparing a legal use of a firearm in hunting has no relavance to the illegal carrying of one in a city. But I'm sure logic falls short of reasoning when dealing with an author who can only appeal to raw emotions instead of researching facts. Those are the little bits of information that are based on reality and truth something people who write antigun propaganda like this never seem to be able to find, or dare I say it don't care because the facts don't back up their arguement. In fact usually it cripples their arguements.

The one thing I will agree with the author about is that hunting is a tradition handed down over the generations. Only its not holded over from our racist past. Its holded over from the first time man ever decided that that animal looked mighty tasty. I'm talking about cavemen. Humans have been hunting for our entire existence. That is not going to change. Thats a fact. Hunting and Gun violence have nothing to due with each other.

Everytime I read antigun dribble like this I think about how many people will read this and possibly be effected by it's unintellegent ramblings and make it a point to take that many people to the range to give them a real education on firearms.

Thats my post
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Just realized he has to approve all comments. Gee I wonder if he's goingto censore our posts?
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