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Old 01-21-2013, 11:25 AM
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Default Is it legal to modify a 1911 to a bobtail?

I love the look of Ed Brown bobtail, but am looking to buy new, but budget conscious alternative. It appears there isn't much on the CA roster. I only see a discontinued model from Dan Wesson CCB/SS, and the Ed Brown Kobra Carry SS CAL2 at $2800. Kimber's Classic Pro Carry is missing from the doj list, as is the Dan Wesson Valor V-bob.

One idea is to have a gunsmith start with a used Commander size from Kimber, Colt etc, and machine it to accept a bobtail spring - does anyone know if it is is legal to do this in CA, and if it would be legal to sell later on?

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Old 01-21-2013, 11:32 AM
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Of course it would be legal if you already owned the pistol. The "Roster" only affects what a California FFL can legally sell from his inventory to non roster exempt customers. It has nothing to do with what you can legally own or sell via PPT or consignment.

I have a DW CBOB, and whle I can see the advantage for a CCW piece I prefer the standard grip for actual shooting. YMMV. If I was going to modify one of my Commanders I would do the Wilson rounded butt treatment.
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+1 to what redcliff said.

Chuck Rogers of Roger's Precision does beautiful work.

http://www.rogersprecision.com/

Depending on what you've paid for the current gun to be modified + the gunsmithing work to bobtail it, it might be cheaper to SSE a bobtailed gun that is off roster. Just a thought.
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Second the motion on the "rounded butt" vs "bobtail" treatment. I find a "bobtail" cut makes the 1911 much more "Squirrelly" in the hand. About a 1/2" radius rounding seems to be all that is needed to solve the "poke end" problem with both comfort and concealment.
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SSE = single shot exempt? I don't think I am interested in that... are may folks doing that?

The work shown on Chuck Roger's site is pretty damn awesome.
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LoL. With a SSE you can get just about any 1911 you want. The list is unimportant cause it is exempt.

That is how I got a Taurus PT-1911ALR. Then once it was at home in 5 minutes it was back to semi mode.
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SSE = single shot exempt? I don't think I am interested in that... are may folks doing that?

The work shown on Chuck Roger's site is pretty damn awesome.
But do you understand what it is?

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Hmmm - not really. Can you educate me? I thought it was referring to a gunsmith mod that disables the mag or fixes it to accept only a single round at a time.
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Nighthawk Custom Predator II is bobtailed and on the list.
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Hmmm - not really. Can you educate me? I thought it was referring to a gunsmith mod that disables the mag or fixes it to accept only a single round at a time.
See the Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread:
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The 'single shot exemption' or 'SSE' is an exception to California's Roster of Handguns. Guns in the SSE configuration may be sold in California, regardless of whether they are on the Roster. They must actually be safely functional, and must be capable of firing only one shot before reloading.

Once delivered to the buyer, the original parts may be re-installed and original functionality will be restored.
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Hmmm - not really. Can you educate me? I thought it was referring to a gunsmith mod that disables the mag or fixes it to accept only a single round at a time.
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Nice job Chaos...

Mellow, for what you are wanting to do buying via SSE is the way to go.

Read it over and let us know what you think.
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Nighthawk Custom Predator II is bobtailed and on the list.
It sure is, and breaks the bank...
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Oh, you want one of these?
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That's very interesting. So I could follow the recipe:
1. Buy from an out of state FFL and have it shipped to a CA FFL who will do the SSE work.
2. DROS, wait 10 days
3. Pick it up.
4. Convert it back.

How simple are 1911 mods to do #4?

or - PPT in person transfer at the FFL with DROS and no SSE conversion.

That surely opens up the options... However, I made the mistake at looking at Chuck Rogers' work - "dang!". Any other 'smiths in the Bay Area you guys recommend for bobtail, etc?
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Oh, you want one of these?
yesh - I already have a DW PM7 and love the fit/finish/action.
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That's very interesting. So I could follow the recipe:
1. Buy from an out of state FFL and have it shipped to a CA FFL who will do the SSE work.
2. DROS, wait 10 days
3. Pick it up.
4. Convert it back.

How simple are 1911 mods to do #4?

or - PPT in person transfer at the FFL with DROS and no SSE conversion.

That surely opens up the options... However, I made the mistake at looking at Chuck Rogers' work - "dang!". Any other 'smiths in the Bay Area you guys recommend for bobtail, etc?
Exceedingly easy. Swap out the barrel for a long one, replace the magazine with a zero round sled, and take one side of the grips off and get an extra long screw to fix said sled into place. Bam, a single shot, dimensionaly compliant, roster exempt pistol.
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yesh - I already have a DW PM7 and love the fit/finish/action.
That is one sweet 1911. I had a chance to buy a bobbed Dan Wesson a few months ago. I passed it up. I do regret that now.
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Exceedingly easy. Swap out the barrel for a long one, replace the magazine with a zero round sled, and take one side of the grips off and get an extra long screw to fix said sled into place. Bam, a single shot, dimensionaly compliant, roster exempt pistol.
And....the FFL will do both the "convert" and the "un-convert" it for you as he wants to keep his parts...takes about 5 minutes longer than picking up any other handgun.

Costs a little more, but it is worth it for some.
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Personally, I hate the bobtailled look. What is the actual purpose of it, if not simply aesthetics though?
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Personally, I hate the bobtailled look. What is the actual purpose of it, if not simply aesthetics though?
I understand it will "profile" less when using for concealed carry, and less digging into your side. I like the look for aesthetics, as I do not carry or shoot in competition.
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I understand it will "profile" less when using for concealed carry, and less digging into your side. I like the look for aesthetics, as I do not carry or shoot in competition.
Ah, yes, excellent point!

I suppose for CCW in a belt holster the bobbed tail will not catch on clothes when drawn too. Thanks, that makes sense.

And I think you mean it will "print" less.
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Here's my SA Mil-Spec done by Chuck Rogers.


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Heres a crappy picture of my slightly modified CBOB:
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Heres a crappy picture of my slightly modified CBOB:
What mods did you do besides the shorty trigger?
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Here's my SA Mil-Spec done by Chuck Rogers.


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I assume same frame in both shots - whose grips?
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No question, I love my CBOB, but I full-heartedly agree with whoever said that while the bobtail is better for concealment, nothing beats shooting a 1911 with a regular grip. I hadn't found a way to describe the sensation of shooting a bobtailed piece, but "squirelly" fits the title well.

How is the PM7?
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SSE a V-Bob or find a dealer that doesn't know the difference from the V-bob and Cbob like I did.
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What mods did you do besides the shorty trigger?
Ed Brown checkered bobtail MSH along with the Hard Hat coating on slide. The checkered msh reduces the slipperiness I felt with the smooth DW msh and I prefer dark slides. I also have slim grips/bushings on it but they're not shown in that picture.
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SSE a V-Bob or find a dealer that doesn't know the difference from the V-bob and Cbob like I did.
Sry - I looked at your old thread - very nice V-bob. Did you ever get new grips? Did you purchase out of state and ship to WB's as your FFL? Were you a little nervous that they would reject for being off-list?
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Chuck even offers a bob-nose treatment

You should follow the law and not roll the dice on your FFL being a moron.
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Sry - I looked at your old thread - very nice V-bob. Did you ever get new grips? Did you purchase out of state and ship to WB's as your FFL? Were you a little nervous that they would reject for being off-list?
I simply walked into the local gun store and purchased it from the FFL. And no, I never ordered stocks for it.

Even if you have to SSE a V-bob it is WELL worth it, IMO. DW makes a hell of a 1911 for the price point. There is a reason why people call them "the poor man's" Ed Brown.
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Nope it's not so I'll take it off ur hands now for a great deal okay....
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Yes you can bob tail a 1911 legally or better yet there are no laws stopping you from bobtailing you 1911.
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