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Old 01-14-2013, 3:57 PM
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Can I use my old 25 rd banana mags in my Ruger 10/22? I have had these things since the eighties!! Will Obamas Stormtroopers come for me?
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In before it's mags not clips lol. And yes, it should be fine if you've had them for that long.
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In before it's mags not clips lol. And yes, it should be fine if you've had them for that long.
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Well it would not be "Obamas Stormtroopers" that has the issue.. yet.
I would be more concerned about State law.

The AWB for rifles specifically talks about semiautomatic centerfire rifles.

Since this is rimfire rifles the AWB does not apply, so yes you can use them.


Another issue is CA's magazine limit.
This limits certain ways of acquiring magazines but states if you own it prior to Jan 1st 2000 it is legal.

So yes there is no limit to 10 rounds for rimfire rifles. If you legally own a 10+ magazine there is nothing stopping you from using it
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I'd be more worried about others not minding their own business and telling me, "Hey, you can't have those!".
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Thank you gentlemen for your wit, humor and insight.
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Unless you look like you've had it a long time , it is probably not worth the hassle if you're going to a public range. Is it worth it to you? You're out there shooting for a few hours and 2-6 different people say something about it.

I'd just keep it at around as something to have.
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yea i got and use old ramlines and butler creeks i have a condor mag but it doesnt work as good
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Unless you look like you've had it a long time , it is probably not worth the hassle if you're going to a public range. Is it worth it to you? You're out there shooting for a few hours and 2-6 different people say something about it.

I'd just keep it at around as something to have.
I've NEVER been hassled about any mag or belt of ammo at any public range. At least one range has a policy against them and, if I ever went there, I'd respect and follow their policy.

The more people who openly use their legal +10 round mags, the more accepted it'll be.
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Reguardless of Rimfire or Centerfire, if you owned it in California before Jan 1, 2000 you can still possess it and use it. HTH c good
Orly?
Can you use a +10 magazine in a fixed magazine semiautomatic centerfire rifle?
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Nope, assuming it has evil features.
I know, I was being sarcastic.
The question was only for c good.

And actually it doesn't matter if it has evil features or not it only matters if it is a "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."

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(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
My point is:
Yes while possession and use of magazines is not limited by the magazine law.
The use of a magazine with the capacity to accept more then 10 rounds in a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine is illegal under the AWB.
And for that matter it is also illegal in either a centerfire or rimfire semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine.
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thanks DVSmith, for keeping the forum on a lighter note. LOL!
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they had more than 10 rounders in the 80s for the 1022? show some pics!!
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LMAO!!! If you owned these before the ban, you're go to go. I owned "Eaton" which suck big time. I wished I bought more Ramline magazines in the 80s.
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These are Ramline......I am an old goat....but I am also a hoarder.
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Reguardless of Rimfire or Centerfire, if you owned it in California before Jan 1, 2000 you can still possess it and use it. HTH c good
Not if it requires a bullet button to make it CA legal (centerfire). Basically >10 in centerfire is no go in CA unless it's a RAW or featureless.

In rimfire, sky is the limit provided you obtained them prior to the ban.
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How can the state determine how long you've owned a high capacity magazine? It's more of an honor system as I see it.
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How can the state determine how long you've owned a high capacity magazine? It's more of an honor system as I see it.
Have'nt you heard, DOJ issued hand held carbon daters to all lEO in state to facilitate prosecution.
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I know, I was being sarcastic.
The question was only for c good.

And actually it doesn't matter if it has evil features or not it only matters if it is a "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."



My point is:
Yes while possession and use of magazines is not limited by the magazine law.
The use of a magazine with the capacity to accept more then 10 rounds in a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine is illegal under the AWB.
And for that matter it is also illegal in either a centerfire or rimfire semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine.
Seems you missed this part:
A semi automatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, AND ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING....(features)
1. A pistol grip that protrudes conspiculously beneath the action of the weapon.

2. A thumbhole stock.

3. A folding or telescoping stock.

4. A grenade launcher or flare launcher

5. A flash supressor

6. A forward pistol grip

That's why there are such options as "Featureless".
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How can the state determine how long you've owned a high capacity magazine? It's more of an honor system as I see it.
They can't really. but if rebuilding mags with new housings which weren't available pre-ban, it would be smart to keep your old housings.

TMK, there wasn't much in the way of rebuildable rimfire mags pre-ban. In theory, anything can be rebuilt though.
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Seems you missed this part:
A semi automatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, AND ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING....(features)
1. A pistol grip that protrudes conspiculously beneath the action of the weapon.

2. A thumbhole stock.

3. A folding or telescoping stock.

4. A grenade launcher or flare launcher

5. A flash supressor

6. A forward pistol grip

That's why there are such options as "Featureless".

Hah thats funny, I litterally wrote the guide on featureless.

Sorry but you are confussed with the cause and effect of the status of detachable vs fixed magazines.

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Reguardless of Rimfire or Centerfire, if you owned it in California before Jan 1, 2000 you can still possess it and use it. HTH c good
Which is half right, possesion is not controlled, and yes the magazine law under 12020 states nothing about use either. But under 12276 a fixed magazine centerfire semiautomatic rifle and fixed magazine centerfire or rimfire semiautomatic pistol can not use magazines over 10 round.

I posted this question to try to get you to realize that fact:
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Orly?
Can you use a +10 magazine in a fixed magazine semiautomatic centerfire rifle?
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Nope, assuming it has evil features.
Which is technically incorrect by ommision of key details.
Having a rifle with features is illegal unless it has a fixed magazine. (Not talking about RAWS)
Having a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept over 10 rounds also makes it illegal.

The important detail in the law as I noted in my next reply is this:
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And actually it doesn't matter if it has evil features or not it only matters if it is a "semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."
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12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
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(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

So back to the point. You are trying to say that I missed a part and that is why we have featureless.

I did not forget featureless, we are not talking about featureless. We are talking about fixed magazine centerfire semiautomatic rifles.
But since you brought it up a (centerfire semiautomatic) rifle with no features with a fixed magazine is limited use of magazines with 10 or less round capacity.

Read that again:
A (centerfire semiautomatic) rifle with no features with a fixed magazine is limited use of magazines with 10 or less round capacity.

Go back to my original question to you. You are missing a key part:
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Orly?
Can you use a +10 magazine in a fixed magazine semiautomatic centerfire rifle?
Say you have no features but you have a fixed magazine either by design or magazine lock. Can you use a magazine with the capacity to accept over 10 rounds?

No, if it has a fixed magazine you are limited to 10 rounds.

It is not the features themselves that cause this. Though generally having features causes you to have to use a magazine lock

It the status of fixed or detachable that determines the use of magazines with greater then 10 round capacity.

For example:
Take an SKS with no features and a stock 10 round magazine.
Is this rifle a featureless or a fixed magazine?
The SKS is legal by being a semiautomatic centerfire fixed magazine rifle with the ability to accept no more then 10 rounds.

Whats that you say an SKS is featureless?
Sorry its not, in its stock configuration it has a fixed magazine.
Whats that you say you could put a detachable duckbill magazine in it?
Sorry not in the case of the SKS that would be "banned by name"
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12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
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(11) SKS with detachable magazine.

Here is the actual law for you to reference with key words bolded:
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12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
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Unless you look like you've had it a long time , it is probably not worth the hassle if you're going to a public range. Is it worth it to you? You're out there shooting for a few hours and 2-6 different people say something about it.

I'd just keep it at around as something to have.
Couldn't agree more. Shoot every week at local ranges. More than one RSO has asked about a magazine or two in last several weeks. At one range, uniformed LEO walked down the line with the manager. Have no idea what he / they were doing, however, I did notice people putting "things" away rather quickly.
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Couldn't agree more. Shoot every week at local ranges. More than one RSO has asked about a magazine or two in last several weeks. At one range, uniformed LEO walked down the line with the manager. Have no idea what he / they were doing, however, I did notice people putting "things" away rather quickly.
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