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Old 01-13-2013, 9:43 AM
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The day I received my CheaperThanDirt catalog I called to place an order. I was interested in the loose 1,000 round case of Eagle .223 for $399.95.

The sales rep answers with a price of $999.95. I let her know I'm looking at the catalog with the price of $399.95. With a very snooty and unsympathetic voice, she refers me to the right margin of page 57 which says they can change the price based on "market."

If a hardware store charges $100 for a sheet of plywood in advance of a storm, they can be fined and/or jailed. Why is there not something to stop price gouging on ammo?

***Update - there has been some good dialog in this thread about economics and the difference in price protection for safety goods that are needed vs. items just wanted. A point I wanted to make about CTD is they advertise one price, but charge you another when you ask to buy it. I did not buy it and will just wait for things to settle down.***
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Old 01-13-2013, 9:52 AM
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Its up to us to stop buying it. 1$ around for 223 just say no!
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This isn't new for CTD, why people still shop there is unbelievable.
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CheaperThanDirt is a crappy company with lousy customer service and a crappy policy towards California customers.

Why some people in this state still do business with them - I don't know.
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I actually found a great deal right here on Calguns for some hard-to-find 9mm Steyr and I believe the seller has some left! And his price is commensurate with prices from more than a year ago! Get it while you can!

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1st mistake-shopping at CTD
2nd Mistake-calling CTD
3rd Mistake-thinking CTD would honor the lower price


I believe cabelas had some 223, just keep your eye open.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:18 AM
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I agree with all. If I can't find what I want locally, I will go to Calguns, Midway or Brownell's.
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If a hardware store charges $100 for a sheet of plywood in advance of a storm, they can be fined and/or jailed. Why is there not something to stop price gouging on ammo?
That is a perfect analogy, one I have made before. Answer is, you need the plywood, you want the ammo. You can wait on one, suffer no damage, not the other. That is the idea behind "anti gouging" laws

No one gets to the next part. You get the pre hurricane plywood at $30 a sheet (semi normal price). You have one left over, hurricane is on the way and it will be a doozy. Some one sees the plywood and says they want it...........what is your price? Some one sees it and says they need it..........what is your price? You have no other knowledge of your customer, or their "needs or wants".

What is your price? Should be the same, no?
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Now you know to put - Return to Sender - the next time you receive a CheapDirtyGougers catalog
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Just toss the catalog as soon as I get it. They won't ship a thing to CA anyways, so why bother.
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Have never, will never give them my business. I use them as a price point for comparison to other companies, but I feel "cheaper than dirt" just going on their website. Cabela's, Midway USA, and Brownell's are much better companies to deal with.
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IMHO raising prices when shortages occur is better titled supply and demand . Gouging is a high sales tax .

Kick this around in your minds for a while and ask yourselves how much you would charge for a gallon of gas when you have no chance to replace it ?
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IMHO raising prices when shortages occur is better titled supply and demand . Gouging is a high sales tax .

Kick this around in your minds for a while and ask yourselves how much you would charge for a gallon of gas when you have no chance to replace it ?
This is where I was hoping this post would go...

Prices on ammo and other "AR" associated items are through the roof right now because of fear, not necessarily lack of supply. However, your gas example (to me) is more closely associated with AR Lowers which may be illegal to purchase after the AWB. Case in point...Mega Arms decision to cancel their expansion. This would create from the economic perspective...lack of supply.

My question and disgust is with CTD's gouging on the ammo prices due to the current and immediate fear of the unknown. I have not found anything mentioned on the web that relates any pending AWB legislation curtailing ammo production, thus no long term "lack of supply", for ammo at least.
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That's crazy. Almost a dollar a round for 223, LOL. Don't shop with CTD.
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If a hardware store charges $100 for a sheet of plywood in advance of a storm, they can be fined and/or jailed. Why is there not something to stop price gouging on ammo?

Because one example falls under laws that prevent people from profiteering in a time of natural disaster and the other doesn't.

If there was no natural disaster anyone charging $100 for a sheet of plywood would be a idiot. At that point the market sets the price. Nobody would buy because there are cheaper options. When everyone charged $100 for a sheet of plywood then that means the market priced the sheet at that price due to demand.

As for the demand and supply in the current AR market the demand right now outpaces the supply line. It's that simple. there is no magic voodoo here. The shortage is created simply because the manufacturer cannot supply the distributors with as much material as fast as they are selling them. Demand outpaces supply which in turn drives up prices. Just because one person is not willing to pay a high price doesn't necessarily mean the 20 guys behind ou are unwilling to also. Bro one company sold 3.5 YEARS worth of AR mags in less than three weeks. Think about that for a second.

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The day I received my CheaperThanDirt catalog I called to place an order. I was interested in the loose 1,000 round case of Eagle .223 for $399.95.

The sales rep answers with a price of $999.95. I let her know I'm looking at the catalog with the price of $399.95. With a very snooty and unsympathetic voice, she refers me to the right margin of page 57 which says they can change the price based on "market."

If a hardware store charges $100 for a sheet of plywood in advance of a storm, they can be fined and/or jailed. Why is there not something to stop price gouging on ammo?
Same thing happening here not only ammo but magazines and ARs too. At least companies have overhead and employees to pay. The random guys on here price gouging do not.
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The day I received my CheaperThanDirt catalog I called to place an order. I was interested in the loose 1,000 round case of Eagle .223 for $399.95.

The sales rep answers with a price of $999.95. I let her know I'm looking at the catalog with the price of $399.95. With a very snooty and unsympathetic voice, she refers me to the right margin of page 57 which says they can change the price based on "market."

If a hardware store charges $100 for a sheet of plywood in advance of a storm, they can be fined and/or jailed. Why is there not something to stop price gouging on ammo?
You have options, one of which is whining about it here.
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Thanks Rob454 for the explanation about the laws passed against practices during a natural disaster. I think these are the essential goods and services to which Yemff refers.

In the case of ammo, those asking $1/rd is just basic economics, but it is also a testament to their scruples. No whining here because I didn't buy any. I built my bridge and I'm over it.
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I suggest reloading.
1,000 rounds of 115 gr PRN bullets have gone up in price $2.07 since I last bought some, 6 months or so ago.
I can live with that.
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$2.07/1k? ... That's cheaper than my 22lr!
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Not that I plan on selling any of my ammo - this is all hypothetical.

But back earlier last year I bought my .223 from ammotogo at early 2012 prices. So what if I decide that I'm tired of all these guys making a huge profit by taking advantage of this paranoia. So I sell my .223 at 2012 prices. And then everyone says..good for you creampuff, for not jumping in on this shark feeding frenzy.

But then the buyer goes and sells the ammo he purchases from me, at 2X times the price by joining in on the frenzy.

Then I hate to say it, but that would be not a smart move on my part. Altruistic, but not smart.

I say just let this frenzy cool down, because it will. I don't plan on selling nor buying in this panic.
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$2.07/1k? ... That's cheaper than my 22lr!
read my post again. it will make more sense the second time.
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This is the United States, not the old Soviet Union. Price controls do not belong here.

Skip the following is you have a basic understanding of economics:
Prices go up because supply decreases and/or demand increases. I haven't heard that manufacturers have decreased production but we all know consumers are buying everything that is available - more than they were buying previously. Sounds like an increase in demand to me.

On the supply-side, higher prices are a signal for manufacturers to increase production. However, they may not respond if they believe the increase in demand is very temporary (most likely since the behavior is from hoarding and not from consuming). Additionally, they may have other contraints (production, labor, raw goods) which force them to keep production at current levels.
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read my post again. it will make more sense the second time.
Took me 8 times. But yeah reloading is the only way to go.
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........and off come the rose-colored glasses.

Welcome to Amerika, Komrade.
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PS. That CTD catalog I used to get was barely, and I mean barely acceptable fodder for the bottom of a bird cage.
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It is in my world. That's why I keep an adequate "supply" at all times.
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It's a shame things aren't like when I was younger, we helped those that need help and watched out for each other. These days it seems every man for himself, forget the next guy. Times have changed, but greed will always be with us. Best to wait out the storm, it will pass. Hopefully without more damage to us all. Don't let yourselves fall prey to the greed!
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I was thinking of ammo and such in terms of stock prices-

Wow I got gouged- they sold me Apple stock for $700

It use to be $90


Same product- just different periods of buy and sell demand.

Yeah- not the best analogy.
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CTD years past was nearly bankrupted by local authorities that did not appreciate their type of business !

Rather self defeating , we shooters find the need to bash every retailer,wholesaler ,manufacturer and even progun spokespersons .


Maybe just for a change we could better focus on anti gun businesses, actors,politicians and other 5thcolumn entities .
If you attend a church . Check if they are part of the Anti Gun World council of Churches .

BTW I do like the apple example !

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Took me 8 times. But yeah reloading is the only way to go.
Buying when stuff is cheap is another way to go.

There are people in hurricane country who have a stack of plywood, just right for their windows, on stickers, in their garage, for YEARS. Call them crazy, but they want to avoid the rush to Lowes when the storm comes.
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CTD years past was nearly bankrupted by local authorities that did not appreciate their type of business !

Rather self defeating , we shooters find the need to bash every retailer,wholesaler ,manufacturer and even progun spokespersons .


Maybe just for a change we could better focus on anti gun businesses, actors,politicians and other 5thcolumn entities .
If you attend a church . Check if they are part of the Anti Gun World council of Churches .

BTW I do like the apple example !
True, there is worse than CTD. But you have to dig deep.
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Buying when stuff is cheap is another way to go.

There are people in hurricane country who have a stack of plywood, just right for their windows, on stickers, in their garage, for YEARS. Call them crazy, but they want to avoid the rush to Lowes when the storm comes.
I would say its the only way to go. But some would say I'm a cheap old bugger.
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Ammo isn't expensive. You can order online and be back ordered at normal prices. What you are paying for is to get it now!
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Just toss the catalog as soon as I get it. They won't ship a thing to CA anyways, so why bother.
I've had to ask them on 4 different occasions in 2012 to stop sending me their catalog.

I'm still getting them, and just got another one last week
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Still trying to jump start my time machine to 98 when it was less than 20 a share...

Anyone know where I can get some Plutonium or 1.5 gigawatts of power for my heavily customized DeLorean?

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Wow I got gouged- they sold me Apple stock for $700

It use to be $90


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