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Old 01-09-2013, 11:52 AM
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Default Will "QuikClot" work / safe to use on dogs?

Will "QuikClot" work on dogs and other animals?

Is it safe to use on them?

I had one of my dogs awhile back tear a dew claw and it bled allot. I mean allot. I was finally able to stop the bleeding with direct pressure. Took forever but it finally slowed and stopped.

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:10 PM
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I don't see why not. Its some type of clay used to coagulate the blood. Google the ingredients

https://www.google.com/search?q=Quik...w=1280&bih=811
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:23 PM
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The powder DOES stop bleeding, however, it has some very untoward effects... Namely BURNS from the exothermic nature of the powder.

The Dept of the Navy / BUMED has discontinued use of the powder, in favor of the quick clot brand gauze.

I would use (and prefer) the gauze over the powder.

KEEP IT OFF any moist, exposed skin, mucous membranes, ears, mouth, airways... It WILL burn if contact is made, I've seen it first hand
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:24 PM
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sure... the founders tested it on pigs... youtube has a pig with a phemoral artery severed and stopped with quickclot and direct pressure.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:25 PM
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I think it should work fine, stytic powder is for dogs which is pretty much the same thing
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Old 01-09-2013, 7:41 PM
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Do you hate your dog?

I have trained with swat officers in tactical medical classes for triage and mass hemorrhaging. Quick clot is not something you should use ever unless its a last resort. Especially for a bleeding dew claw. It burns like hell damages the skin and is reactivated by water if you rinse it off and burns again. Also allows for easy infection. There are so many better options for your dog. Wrap it tight with gauze. The only hemostasis I recommend would be the quick clot gauze or combat gauze works great and doesn't burn.
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Old 01-09-2013, 7:49 PM
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Try alum. It works and can be found in just about every grocery store.
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wrap it and Go to the vet.
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wrap it and Go to the vet.
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wrap it and Go to the vet.
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All bleeding stops eventually...
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It might but I'm not sure. You should probably ask a vet. My dog bled about a week ago when we were clipping her nails and got a cuticle. I noticed it because their was blood all over my wife's jeans. We calmed her down and put pressure on it. She was fine but a little upset. Had to keep her still for a bit.
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It might but I'm not sure. You should probably ask a vet. My dog bled about a week ago when we were clipping her nails and got a cuticle. I noticed it because their was blood all over my wife's jeans. We calmed her down and put pressure on it. She was fine but a little upset. Had to keep her still for a bit.
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In an absolute emergency yes
But as said before--Muzzle your dog
A. to avoid getting bitten
B. to prevent the dog from licking the injury and burning its nose & tongue
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it would work, but as others have said, only use it as a last resort. (like your animal is bleeding out and the situation is possibly fatal). and i would only use the gauze. the powder does more damage than it does good. for something like a dew claw, what you did is the best option, pressure and then a bandage the dog wont chew off. i just cover cuts and scraps on my pups with bag balm. it doesnt hurt them anymore, and they dont like the taste so licking it off is minimal.
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In an absolute emergency yes
But as said before--Muzzle your dog
A. to avoid getting bitten
B. to prevent the dog from licking the injury and burning its nose & tongue
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Clip a nail too far down, use a steptic pencil, they have them at walmart where the men's shaving supplies are located.
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Thank you to all who responded.

I will purchased a couple of quick clot gauze packets and keep them at the house.

Thanks again.
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This is good info, my dogs all had their dew claws removed at the breeders.
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Superglue works too. Just check on the dog often. I find a glued wound seems to heal slower, so if the dog knocks or chew it off the bleeding will start again.
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Superglue works too. Just check on the dog often. I find a glued wound seems to heal slower, so if the dog knocks or chew it off the bleeding will start again.
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Wow! I used flour to stop bleeders. Low tech but it works. Powdered sugar or corn starch works too and all of these will work on humans & animals. Ingestion friendly. BTW the new quick clot doesn't have burning sensation. Old stuff does tho.


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for dogs I use a powder designed to stop bleeding and pressure I have used gauze and pressure to stop a major artery bleed and save a dogs life. I also keep blue kote and swat for flies on hand for dogs as well. that gauze and some betadine scub you can do alot
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I have heard Sweet and Low can be used to limit bleeding. never heard the powdered sugar or corn starch.
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Great replies and knowledgable medics here. Will burn and destroy surrounding tissue as well as distribute the pellots throughout the body. Some cases causing kidney stones and so on and so forth.
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Pet stores carry Kwik Stop styptic power, works great.
Make sure area is clean, dogs step in all sorts of s@#t.
Treat and wrap sterile bandage.
Had to use flour last weekend, dog broke nail off
in the ice in Reno.
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wrap it and Go to the vet.
This is the correct answer. People are quick to jump on the quick clot bandwagon because it's tactical, or something.. Probably 90 % of the time direct pressure is the best plan of action. When society is functioning 'normally' DP will do fine until Fire/EMS arrive. In emergencies or otherwise DP is still usually sufficient, easier to perform and less invasive.
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Here's a trick: Store a bottle of Afrin or NeoSynephrin Nasal Spray, the stuff you use as a nasal decongestant. It effects the nasal passages by constricting the blood vessels.

This constrictive affect can be used to assist in the control of bleeding in wounds by spraying it directly into the wound then following up with direct pressure and elevation of the injury above the level of the heart. This is what is termed and "off label" use of a drug.

Ever nick yourself shaving? Spray a bit of Afrin on a tissue and hold it up against where you nicked yourself and you'll stop that nuisance bleeding really fast. For something life threatening, you might want to have some Celox or Quick clot on hand but for the nuisance bleeding, consider the nasal spray trick.
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I would preserve the first aid supplies for my family.
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Hi I'm new so hopefully I'm doing this right! Quikclot is safe for pets. They have a "pet clot" that is exactly the same ingredients but it just costs more. I'm a dealer and that info is from the manufacturer!
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Also "Woundseal" is great for smaller cuts and pets. Just a powder that pours out like a salt packet. Doesn't burn and stops bleeding instantly. Saved me many trips to the ER!
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Saw on dual survival you can empty the powder from a cartridge and light it to cauterize the wound, ymmv. And not sure an animal will be still enough. Corn starch works well enough for me.
Disclaimer: i saw it on tv.
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I would preserve the first aid supplies for my family.

the trauma to the family of losing a pet during a SHTF scenario could be overwhelming for many; imho, it could be worth using some supplies to keep family morale as high as possible; it's a judgement call.
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My dad was a an SF medic, on two occasions when our dogs were wounded (one was shot with a .22 by an angry, mean, farmer the other sustained a severe laceration jumping a bared wire fence) we just did surgery on the kitchen table. I thought it was normal, everyone does their own field expedient surgery don't they? Anyway, we didnt use quickclot, just debrieded the tissue in the wound channel, lined up the tangled and knotted muscles, disinfected and sewed him up. Worked fine...dogs lived, was not pleasant though. (local only)

This used to be classified, but did you know that SF actually got dogs from the humane society in North Carolina, who actually observed some of these procedures!
They lined them up with a 1903 30.06 mounted in a bench and SHOT them in the rear leg! Stabilisation and field surgery immediately commenced. If your dog didnt make it, or got an infection YOU FAIL and get washed out.

I heard they use goats now, because thats so much more humane?!?!?!
After dogs were "saved" from their GSW, the SF Training policy was to euthanize them. My dad felt bad about what they put these dogs through so somehow many of them made it back to California after the war. They all had their vocal cords cauterised before the 30.06 "procedure"... so we had this pack of dogs that could only make a weezing, choking sound their whole life...

BTW, Dogs heal very fast, faster than humans I dont know why.
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