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Old 04-10-2013, 8:12 AM
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I am in the market to buy some radiation protective gears. Since North Korea is acting out. I hope I would never have to use them but good to have just in case. Any recommendation?
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Put on a P95 mask and get out of dodge after you ducked and covered the initial blast. Providing you do not have a bomb shelter handy. No suit is going to stop gamma rays for long and breathing the dust contamination is what will kill via a slow death. Strip down, shower and get clean clothes once you're out. Not much else you can do is there besides taking an iodine pill.
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I am a hazmat technician where I work and we always say the three best things to protect from radiation are time, distance and shielding, with emphasis on the first two!
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When I was in the military, they trained us to wear MOPP -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP suits
along with wet weather pants, poncho, thick rubber gloves, + funky (And I do mean FUNKY) chemical protective boots.
We were trained to face away from the blast and drop prone to the ground and to keep weapon under our bodies.

I doubt the suit and instructions would save anyone within blast zone, but I think the suit would provide some protection against fallout.

Keep in mind, it reduces mobility (especially on hot days)
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When I was in the military, they trained us to wear MOPP -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP suits
along with wet weather pants, poncho, thick rubber gloves, + funky (And I do mean FUNKY) chemical protective boots.
We were trained to face away from the blast and drop prone to the ground and to keep weapon under our bodies.

I doubt the suit and instructions would save anyone within blast zone, but I think the suit would provide some protection against fallout.

Keep in mind, it reduces mobility (especially on hot days)
I would think most explosion we would deal with are unprepared. If I can make it down the freeway 2 miles away in the time it is going to take for me to get the gear on, I'll take the 2 miles and maybe 2 more if I'm lucky. Then I worry about a suit. Who knows, everyone maybe in shock and I get 10 miles safe from fallout?
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When I was in the military, they trained us to wear MOPP -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP suits
along with wet weather pants, poncho, thick rubber gloves, + funky (And I do mean FUNKY) chemical protective boots.
We were trained to face away from the blast and drop prone to the ground and to keep weapon under our bodies.

I doubt the suit and instructions would save anyone within blast zone, but I think the suit would provide some protection against fallout.

Keep in mind, it reduces mobility (especially on hot days)
That's interesting. I assume the cold weather suit you're referring to is the goretex Level 6 of the ECWCS?

Also, why weapon under the body? Is that to prevent it from getting blasted away from you with your body weight on it?
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Also, why weapon under the body? Is that to prevent it from getting blasted away from you with your body weight on it?[/QUOTE]

That would be my guess also. Although, envisioning a group of Military guys chasing after their weapons "Blowing in the wind" seems far fetched
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That's interesting. I assume the cold weather suit you're referring to is the goretex Level 6 of the ECWCS?

Also, why weapon under the body? Is that to prevent it from getting blasted away from you with your body weight on it?
The suit was more like a very thick sweat suit with a layer of charcoal on the inside. Pretty much useless against a liquid agent, but supposedly works fairly well for some gas attacks + some resistance to radiological fallout. The rainsuit added to this, would help with fallout as well

weapon under body-

Primarily to keep track and respond after blast + helps to keep debris from jamming the weapon.
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Your body is mass, water, it will shield the weapon some. Also if you die, it's outta sight? You will not have time initially to clean your gun if it was blasted by radioactive dust. This way it's only exposed to fallout if you live.

All conjecture.
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Your body is mass, water, it will shield the weapon some. Also if you die, it's outta sight? You will not have time initially to clean your guy if it was blasted by radioactive dust. This way it's only exposed to fallout if you live.

All conjecture.
Another point u bring- If you die, and weapon is under your corpse, less likely for opfor to use it against remaining forces.
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The first thing I would get would be a detector and some dose meters. It is hard to defend against an invisible undetectable threat. The new fancy detectors are very accurate but won't work after an EMP event. The old US cold war detectors are cheap and EMP proof. http://hosfeltelectronics.com/contents/en-us/d55.html
I watched a survival show once and a guy claimed he could rig a metal trash can to protect electronics from EMP. Not sure how valid his idea was though.
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Another point u bring- If you die, and weapon is under your corpse, less likely for opfor to use it against remaining forces.
After a couple days, they could be collected and given to the living soldiers fresh from fallout. The ones they would be carrying would be hot.
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I am in the market to buy some radiation protective gears. Since North Korea is acting out. I hope I would never have to use them but good to have just in case. Any recommendation?
at this rate you are going to have the most awesome pile of unused, unuseable stuff in the state.
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After a couple days, they could be collected and given to the living soldiers fresh from fallout. The ones they would be carrying would be hot.
Yes + functional weapons/ammo may be scarce.

The thing I am (and I bet the op is) wondering about is water. Sure we all have water purification kits/methods, but most will not work with fallout contaminated water. ( This was a big issue with survivors of Hiroshima)
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I watched a survival show once and a guy claimed he could rig a metal trash can to protect electronics from EMP. Not sure how valid his idea was though.
research Faraday cage

I have 4 charcoal suits still in the bags from Desert Storm days...LOL I wonder if they are still good? Maybe better then nothing.
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I keep one of my 3m airless paint respirators handy in the back seat of my truck. If my truck doesn't blow up, look out, the masked man is coming through!!!
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Yes + functional weapons/ammo may be scarce.

The thing I am (and I bet the op is) wondering about is water. Sure we all have water purification kits/methods, but most will not work with fallout contaminated water. ( This was a big issue with survivors of Hiroshima)
That's why distance is soooo important, get to safe water and stock up. Without it you could be dead or very very sick.
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I keep a case of 39 gallon trash bags in my truck also. Say I get some distance and a safe water supply. I triple up some bags and put someones hose or bib to work and get 1.5 gals in a few set ups. Tie them and put in back seat. Keep moving......
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I keep a case of 39 gallon trash bags in my truck also. Say I get some distance and a safe water supply. I triple up some bags and put someones hose or bib to work and get 1.5 gals in a few set ups. Tie them and put in back seat. Keep moving......
practice that... its not as easy as it sounds and you want to know the flaws of water in a trash bag before your life depends on it.
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practice that... its not as easy as it sounds and you want to know the flaws of water in a trash bag before your life depends on it.
this

It is truly amazing how many people buy survival gear and keep the stuff packaged.

The items which sometimes makes me pee my pants with laughter, are the prepackaged "survival kits"
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Arnt those suits no good after a few hours? I remeber seeing a ducumentary about desert storm 1 that was the problem with most the troops exposed to biologicals the suits didnt work after a while.
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When I was in the military, they trained us to wear MOPP -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOPP suits
along with wet weather pants, poncho, thick rubber gloves, + funky (And I do mean FUNKY) chemical protective boots.
We were trained to face away from the blast and drop prone to the ground and to keep weapon under our bodies.

I doubt the suit and instructions would save anyone within blast zone, but I think the suit would provide some protection against fallout.

Keep in mind, it reduces mobility (especially on hot days)
I work at a nuclear power plant here in Ca, being exposed to radiation is part of my job. Remember Radiation and Contamination are two different things. I can assure you, chemical suits will do absolutely nothing for radiation! Firemanjoe was right stating Time, Distance and Shielding are your only protection. We use concrete and lead blankets as shielding. If they can hit California with a nuke....i think we are all screwed
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Some of the worst radiation damage is done to the body through inhaling radioactive particle. So if you survive the blast, respirators first, then get distance.
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