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Old 01-03-2013, 12:25 AM
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with all the recent shooting that have been popping up in the news lately i can't help but challenge myself in what i would/should do if i was LTC'ing and caught in a similar situation.

Of course its unlikely to happen but there are numerous scenarios that can be thought of and mostly my objective is to GTFO alive (I'M not sorry) but the one that troubles me the most as a LTC holder is getting shot by the good guys upon their arrive to an active shooter scene.

E.g. Being in a huge department store, mall, theater ect. with a active shooter out of your direct sight and knowing that police is responding and entering all around you. While you sit there with your weapon drawn in plain cloths concerns me.


am i alone?
is this a accepted risk you take?
have you thought of effective ways of discretely identify yourself to first responders?

I frequently wear a 5.11 sabre jacket with hidden identification flaps, would it be wise to have them screen printed LTC/CCW?

seems too ?
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Old 01-03-2013, 3:09 AM
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As soon as the police arrive you need to holster and let professionals do their job. If you hear police coming and you cannot holster, drop it and keep BOTH hands where they are easily seen. Respond immediately to any and all requests / demands. This is all common sense I would hope... An LTC is a self defense option, you don't even have to pull in the first place, there's no responsibility on your part.

For myself if I assess the situation, if I have a clear shot I'll take it. Otherwise its GTFO and help as many as possible. I'd hate to shoot an innocent who is trying to run away and gets in the line of fire.

Anything identifying you as an LTC person is childish, bordering on the LTC badge crowd. All your doing is telling the police you have a gun when there's an active shooter in the area. Just plain silly imo
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Old 01-03-2013, 8:43 AM
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If you are CCW and an active shooter opens up, if you decide to engage, then do so, but reholster once the threat has been mitigated. If you are not immediately engaged, and are not in a position to engage said shooter, you should not have it unholstered, especially if PD is on scene/entering all around you. After Columbine, most departments transitioned to a "get in and get the shooter now" mode instead of a "gather the troops first" mode. They're coming in hot, and anyone showing a gun is likely to get ventilated.
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Old 01-03-2013, 9:06 AM
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You bring up a Valid concern ... This product was mentioned at my CCW class ...http://www.dsmsafety.com/ccw.html

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Old 01-03-2013, 9:21 AM
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Don't shoot me!! Please recognize my beauty pageant sash identifying me as a CCW holder!
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Old 01-03-2013, 9:27 AM
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Don't shoot me!! Please recognize my beauty pageant sash identifying me as a CCW holder!


Exactly ! It was suggested that you buy the security one since most don't know what CCW means ....
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Given the OP's premise, getting shot by the good guys is a small consideration..........for me, being old and white. I think kissing the pavement or doing the convict sit against the wall would work for most.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:12 AM
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I like my Sabre jacket but never once considered using the panels.....
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In other words...there are NO "good guns" when the police arrive. They WILL engage anyone with a weapon.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:53 PM
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OP...if and when you get a LTC,ask that question in class. You will then get the answer you seek,maybe.
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All those sashes/headbands/badges/ and bedazzled bracelets make no sense if the bad guys can also purchase them.
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Old 01-03-2013, 1:50 PM
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Sashes, bandanas, hats and badges that supposedly identify you as being some sort of "good guy" with a gun have got to be the silliest thing I have ever seen.
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I've seen the same question posed on a LEO forum, and consensus was that as long as you have a weapon in your hands when the police shows up you have a non-zero chance of getting shot. Heck, LEOs shoot other LEOs on occasion.
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I've seen the same question posed on a LEO forum, and consensus was that as long as you have a weapon in your hands when the police shows up you have a non-zero chance of getting shot. Heck, LEOs shoot other LEOs on occasion.
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Also, how do you identify yourself to the guy across the room who hears shots and sees you with your gun drawn, and decides to shoot you?
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There needs to be a sticky for things never to do or even ask about in an open forum. LTC/CCW badges, pocket flaps, satin sashes, tiaras, subcutaneous RFID chips, etc should be up near the top of the list.
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There needs to be a sticky for things never to do or even ask about in an open forum. LTC/CCW badges, pocket flaps, satin sashes, tiaras, subcutaneous RFID chips, etc should be up near the top of the list.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:22 PM
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There really is no foolproof way of identifying yourself in such situation...there are enough friendly fire situations existing among LEOs to make that pretty clear; that is why SWAT members wear such large letters on their vest.

If you decide to draw your CCW in this situation there are 5 possible outcomes
1. You shoot the shooter and save everyone - good
2. You shoot another CCW who is trying to engage the shooter - bad
3. You shoot at the shooter and hit an innocent - bad
4. You are shot by another CCW, who thinks you are the shooter - bad and likely painful
5. You are shot by responding officers - bad , painful and likely fatal

How do you feel about a 20% chance of a good outcome
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I know it's kindve off topic but you're title got me thinking about how we would know who good guys were in a bug out sutuation.
I mean that would be a tense situation every time

What's the protocol on approaching another armed group whilst showing you're a good guy ?
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If I am not shooting or clearing my firearm is holstered and concealed.
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Old 01-08-2013, 9:13 AM
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^ this even after I shoot no need to display to everyone I have a gun. More so after I have unloaded the attacker will not be a threat with extra .45 size vents in the chest
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Massad Ayoob, in one of his videos, says call 9-1-1 immediately after the shooting and describe yourself. When police show up, they can recognize you as the caller. He also says put your gun away. If you have a gun in your hands, the police will immediately identify you as a threat and will engage.
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Old 01-08-2013, 9:41 AM
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^ This

And for the love of god. If you have a "CCW" Patch, badge, etc BURN and/or dispose of it.

Unless you like being characterized as a vigilante, yahoo, wannabe sheriff.
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And for the love of god. If you have a "CCW" Patch, badge, etc BURN and/or dispose of it.
Oh, you mean all those "Shoot Me First" signs?

Yeah, burn all your idiot-trinkets. At the very best, they are embarrassing!
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Remember, the ltc is for your protection, you are not Leo. If you choose to engage the shooter, you are totally responsible for the aftermath, you have no legal protection. If you are ok with that, then engage. You may be sued for any missed rounds, you may be sued by the shooters family. You may have to move because of the press or those protesting you and what to did, think of Zimmerman. And the police may miss identify you as the shooter.

It's too much to think about when the time actually comes so, be trained, trained well, and draw a line in the sand, mentally, if its crossed, then act. It's not your responsibility to act, but it may be the right thing to do, no matter what you do, you will have to live with it, and you will be second guessed
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CCW tiaras...ROFLMAO!

But seriously? do they have these?
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Listen you ****ers, you screwheads... here is a man who would not take it anymore.
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Listen you ****ers, you screwheads... here is a man who would not take it anymore.
Uh, what?
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Listen you ****ers, you screwheads... here is a man who would not take it anymore.
Oh, 6:29 .. 90 minutes into happy hour. Now it makes sense.
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