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Old 02-10-2013, 4:00 PM
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Let me try pointing out the error in your thinking without pissing you off. You go down to the corner 7eleven or whatever it is in your area and you purchase $5 in gas and $1 candy bar. You give the cashier a ten dollar bill and wouldn’t you know she gives change for a $20 bill. So you've actually made money on this cashiers mistake. Now if she had realized it before she put that money in your hand, you no doubt with our situation with johnnyringo being the case study, you would be arguing that you had been screwed out of that $14 in change she was about to hand you. She had screwed you god forbid, I cant imagine what she had just done to you. Can I agree that she should have given you that $14 in change and your gas and candy bar for free.....no I'm intelligent and honest enough to say it was a simple mistake and no you are not entitled to profit from someone else’s mistake? Our entitlement society is destroying our country and it seems faster every day. What happened to the honest people and those not trying to take advantage of others? Where have those people gone. It’s a danger that we are selling firearms to the people that are "entitled"…..isnt it




Not even the same situation by any stretch of the imagination.

How was he "trying to take advantage of others"? He saw your contract, accepted your terms, and then you realized you made a mistake and told him to pound sand.

Seems to the majority of us here, the person with the sense of entitlement in this case is you. You feel entitled to back out of deals because your employee was to lazy to perform their due diligence and instead recycled an old advert.

I know you wont accept your mistake, but this forum does not forget.
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Old 02-10-2013, 4:06 PM
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One, your analogy is silly, a bid would have been placed prior to a contract being signed, so something of that magnitude couldn't occur. It's a laughable grasp at straws.

In this case, you wrote the contract and put it out for anyone to accept, so you should hold up your end of the deal. Judging that another dealer has the same item for a mere $40 more tells me this shouldn't be a bank breaking good faith follow through.

I can guarantee one thing, anyone who reads this thread won't send a single dollar in your direction. That, I'm sure will cost you much more than the $40.

Continuing to defend a losing position only makes you look like someone with no integrity and further reinforces that I wouldn't want to do business with your company. So, congratulations on turning one bad sale into a long list of non-sales, and that, is definitely not smart business.
It’s amazing that you’re grasping at straws here trying to distract from and defend an unreasonable position specifically the position that an honest mistake was made and you feel that someone somehow is entitled to profit from it. You delve into the bidding vs signing the contract phase to deflect from the issue at hand…….

I bet you see it like this ….Kind of like following an armored car and the doors swing open and the money flies out because one of the guards didn’t close it where the latch caught. There you are feverishly scrapping up that money with both hands….later as they’re putting the cuffs on you can be heard saying it’s the guards fault and that armored car companies fault…they should have no claim on the money I found laying on the street…it’s their mistake and there’s a price they should pay, let me go I’m only human. Mistakes happen…

I hope when you sell your home that your agent instead of listing it for $200,000 or whatever its worth lists it for $20,000 or some similar percentage overall(don’t want you to get caught up in some perceived flaw with the example so lets say its a percentage). Then you have some idiot buyer knowing it’s clearly a mistake demanding you sell 10% of its value. I hope you’ll do the right thing in your eyes and follow through and sell it to him.

What you failed to comprehend is that the examples in some cases need to be extreme in order for many people to follow along and easily recognize the dilemma, the failed logic or their moral shortcoming.. .

For people that think they are entitled to profit from the mistakes of others, we absolutely don’t want your business go somewhere else. Like johnnyringo we recommend you go to one the big box stores and pull that with them…actually we hope you dont. We try and treat others as we would want to be treated and we don’t expect to profit from someone’s mistake.

In the future should some cashier make the mistake of over paying you don’t slide out of the establishment without correcting the mistake…..think of how much better you’ll feel ….well as I think of it you’ll be poorer…oh hell that’s going to make you feel worse…it’s a problem with the example I chose….my mistake…I love the internet….
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Old 02-10-2013, 4:09 PM
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Money solutions.... Ok you've already stated that Robert is screwed.

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How much are you or did you selling/sell the item for since te "mistake" was made????
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Old 02-10-2013, 4:15 PM
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You really don't get it, do you?

If I had some way to prove it, I would bet you that, after all of your excuses, if you called the OP and offered him the gun for FREE, there's a large contingency that have read this thread that would NEVER do business with your company.

You can be as right as you want to be. Can you afford it, though?

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Old 02-10-2013, 4:43 PM
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It’s amazing that you’re grasping at straws here trying to distract from and defend an unreasonable position specifically the position that an honest mistake was made and you feel that someone somehow is entitled to profit from it. You delve into the bidding vs signing the contract phase to deflect from the issue at hand…….

I bet you see it like this ….Kind of like following an armored car and the doors swing open and the money flies out because one of the guards didn’t close it where the latch caught. There you are feverishly scrapping up that money with both hands….later as they’re putting the cuffs on you can be heard saying it’s the guards fault and that armored car companies fault…they should have no claim on the money I found laying on the street…it’s their mistake and there’s a price they should pay, let me go I’m only human. Mistakes happen…

I hope when you sell your home that your agent instead of listing it for $200,000 or whatever its worth lists it for $20,000 or some similar percentage overall(don’t want you to get caught up in some perceived flaw with the example so lets say its a percentage). Then you have some idiot buyer knowing it’s clearly a mistake demanding you sell 10% of its value. I hope you’ll do the right thing in your eyes and follow through and sell it to him.

What you failed to comprehend is that the examples in some cases need to be extreme in order for many people to follow along and easily recognize the dilemma, the failed logic or their moral shortcoming.. .

For people that think they are entitled to profit from the mistakes of others, we absolutely don’t want your business go somewhere else. Like johnnyringo we recommend you go to one the big box stores and pull that with them…actually we hope you dont. We try and treat others as we would want to be treated and we don’t expect to profit from someone’s mistake.

In the future should some cashier make the mistake of over paying you don’t slide out of the establishment without correcting the mistake…..think of how much better you’ll feel ….well as I think of it you’ll be poorer…oh hell that’s going to make you feel worse…it’s a problem with the example I chose….my mistake…I love the internet….
My gosh, you really don't understand business and contracts do you? Have you ever bought and sold a home? I have, several times in the last 12 months. And when it comes to homes, there is no sale until the buyer and seller sign and accept the offer with an agreed price and conditions. The last home I listed for sale received many many offers and we sold it to the person we signed the agreement with.

The difference here is when you listed it for sale there is no contingency, it's for sale for the price shown. The buyer agreed to your stated terms and then you reached on the deal. He isn't taking advantage of anything, YOU set the terms to everything.

And again, this isn't you accidentally returning too much money and him refusing to give it back. He wanted to complete a transaction you offered, and you changed the price on him.

If you went to buy a truck and it had $49k on the windshield, but when you went to write up the sale they told you it was $55k or walk, you would feel completely wronged and I'm sure would never return. Congrats, that is exactly how every person reading this feels about you. And your spun around analogies are so out of orbit wrong its honestly amusing.
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Old 02-10-2013, 4:55 PM
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Having used Gunbroker for several years to buy and sell things,I have a couple of things to throw in here.First,I have 132 A+ ratings,that I have worked hard for,being both buyer and seller.Gunbroker has a rating system,that the normal person can navigate through,even if it is a little time consuming and can take a couple of weeks to get your fees back from them.I am going through it now for my first ever Fail To Pay.I guarantee you this individual will have a F rating when I am done.I have made a mistake before selling on there.It cost me some to ship ammo to a guy that won the auction,when I forgot to add not even enough to be close on the shipping( I sucked it up on that one).Another time I sold a gun to a local guy and when I went to close the auction 5 minutes later, a guy had bid the minimum.After contacting him and apologizing he gave me a F rating anyway(I had it coming).I called him and kissed butt to get him to remove the F.Now I try and be as perfect as possible.I understand this shops employee made a mistake and they do not want to eat the extra value of the gun,but this guy did win the auction.The shop has a F rating coming and they deserve it for not being vigilente in their listing.
Be a stand up seller and accept the F and get on with your life.
The purchaser has to get on with his life and still look for his item.
I have a few A+ ratings on Calguns as well.Ask any of my contacts on here,why they would do business with me again.If you want a list of guys that have not followed through or changed prices,I have a handful.
Look at it this way.This is the gun industry and we are all in it together.Mistakes happen and take your lumps.
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Old 02-10-2013, 5:01 PM
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It’s amazing that you’re...trying to distract from...the...mistake...and you deflect from the issue at hand…….



What you failed to comprehend is that we absolutely don’t want your business, go somewhere else. In the future should you correct the mistake…..think of how much better you’ll feel.



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Old 02-10-2013, 5:15 PM
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Gunbroker will ban you for life if you are a buyer and back out after it closes. Even if you "made a mistake" with your bid. Opps I meant to type 600 and hit 800 instead. Tough luck.

Sell him the firearm at the agreed upon price. A mistake would be if he got it for $7.59. Any decent human being would understand that was a mistake.
Getting a Saiga 12 for $759.00 is hardly a pricing mistake on your end, other than maybe you told your employee to list it for scalper prices and he didn't. Tough twinkies.
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Old 02-10-2013, 6:06 PM
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My gosh, you really don't understand business and contracts do you? Have you ever bought and sold a home? I have, several times in the last 12 months. And when it comes to homes, there is no sale until the buyer and seller sign and accept the offer with an agreed price and conditions. The last home I listed for sale received many many offers and we sold it to the person we signed the agreement with.

The difference here is when you listed it for sale there is no contingency, it's for sale for the price shown. The buyer agreed to your stated terms and then you reached on the deal. He isn't taking advantage of anything, YOU set the terms to everything.

And again, this isn't you accidentally returning too much money and him refusing to give it back. He wanted to complete a transaction you offered, and you changed the price on him.

If you went to buy a truck and it had $49k on the windshield, but when you went to write up the sale they told you it was $55k or walk, you would feel completely wronged and I'm sure would never return. Congrats, that is exactly how every person reading this feels about you. And your spun around analogies are so out of orbit wrong its honestly amusing.
Well you're there at closing, the closing attorney has all the documents prepared by his staff. For some reason you dont notice the mistake in the contracts neither do they as there is somewhere else you want to be. You sign they sign and the closing attorney shakes your hand and wishes everyone a good day. If the payment is delayed and the staff not noticing the error for whatever reason issues an over payment back to the buyer from the closing attorneys escrow account, imagine the employees in that office. Is it possible???? I already know the answer and I find it amazing you pretend you dont know its possible. But you're an expert in real estate transactions and an expert in all 50 states no less. I take my hat off to you sir. Lets get past the examples because you're very argumentative to a fault. The bottom here is should someone be entitled to benefit from the honest mistake of another? In my opinion thats only a question that individuals can answer. Individuals may answer differently depending upon which side of the transaction they are on and even vary depending upon who the other party is...ie... if the government made a mistake in your favor now I can guess what the vast majority might answer on that, doesnt make it right. Removed from a specific situation/transaction including the gov as a party to the transaction what would the vast majority answer? What is your answer and be true to thy self.
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What happens in a retail store if you mismark an item? Guess what, you are obligated to sell it for that price.

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Really? Show me where that is LAW!


ON the other hand, A business needs to determin when they should keep a customer happy and eat the mistake or explain why they cannot.
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My gosh, you really don't understand business and contracts do you? Have you ever bought and sold a home? I have, several times in the last 12 months. And when it comes to homes, there is no sale until the buyer and seller sign and accept the offer with an agreed price and conditions. The last home I listed for sale received many many offers and we sold it to the person we signed the agreement with.

The difference here is when you listed it for sale there is no contingency, it's for sale for the price shown. The buyer agreed to your stated terms and then you reached on the deal. He isn't taking advantage of anything, YOU set the terms to everything.

And again, this isn't you accidentally returning too much money and him refusing to give it back. He wanted to complete a transaction you offered, and you changed the price on him.

If you went to buy a truck and it had $49k on the windshield, but when you went to write up the sale they told you it was $55k or walk, you would feel completely wronged and I'm sure would never return. Congrats, that is exactly how every person reading this feels about you. And your spun around analogies are so out of orbit wrong its honestly amusing.
Well my understanding on contract law is better than most since we deal with contracts on a daily basis. Whats funny is that you not knowing all the specifics of this case and at the same time making numerous assumptions you have drawn some odd conclusions. You know what they say about making assumptions, well its doubly on U with this one. Even the jailhouse attorneys are smarter than that.

Let me change the subject to some degree if I can.

Point Blank if you feel entitled to profit from the mistake of others regardless of the circumstances and don’t see any problem with it, we don’t want nor have we ever asked for your business. We encourage those that fall within that category to go to the big chains as I hate to see fellow gun shop owners abused. Most of you out there don’t have a clue as to how thin the margins are on guns normally. Before this brief frenzy when customers are far and few inbetween for normal stores, there wasnt anybody getting rich and there isnt right now, nobody I know of. Ten percent margin on guns if you’re lucky in some cases is the best you can hope for. What is ten percent of a $300 gun? How many $300 guns do you have to sell just to pay overhead? What is the normal or average overhead for a gun store? Rent, lights, labor, fees, taxes and ton of other things not to mention the hoops you have to jump through for the idiot politicians.

For most of you that falsely claim you’re in retail business (come on now your moms basement doesn’t count) or have never been in a retail business as ownership but you know how it should be, I might as well be talking about the process and calculations required for placing a satellite in geosynchronous orbit. Just ask user adonis he can easily tell you how and what is involved from launch to final orbit. But seriously you’ll never understand without having done it, get on our side of the counter just once. If our only customers were the Roberts of the world, we would be on the couch in our section eight housing playing video games on our big flat screen TV smoking a blunt talking with our friends on our Obama phone while waiting for our next government check. We want our fair share too and we shouldn’t have to work for it either. Its some evil rich persons fault that we have to work in the first place and as some of you know all business owners are rich evil people….Them gun store owners got all them guns and they won’t even give us just one for free, that’s wrong!

Being one of the few gun dealers and getting fewer everyday that sells and ships to California I think we need to rethink our policy.

Next time you’re in your local gun store give the owner a big thank you because most of them are doing it as an expensive hobby they love and you are only benefiting as a result. We sell to thousands and thousands of good people and the vast majority of our customers are thrilled to death. We’ll bend into a pretzel for our customers but every now and then we run into someone that wants to get loud with somebody and start being abusive and making demands, we don’t have the patience for it. In those cases the only way you get away with is if it’s over the phone or on the internet like here. Life’s too short to put up with that BS. I don’t advise any of you to enter your local gun store and act like Robert, there are too many guns in there.
Its been a real eye opener.....I appreciate everybodys time and thoughful responses

One last question for user adonis the all knowing which I have taken my hat off to already, what if you had a consignor have you sell a gun on gunbroker, he wants it put up for Auction and not a buy it now because he knows of the demand and the buying frenzy, your employee lists it from an old listing of a similair gun and its mistakenly put up as a buy it now, you have a Robert of the world jump on it before anyone can correct it, who do you make whole assuming someone was harmed? Is it the consignor having no clue what the firearm would sell for in this frenzy but wanting the most he can get...you know or you dont ...not knowing what it would end for doesnt allow us to reimburse him for it? Should we focus on taking care of a unreasonable Robert at the expense of the consignor? Or do we relist it by correcting the format giving everyone an equal opportunity to buy it for whatever price they are willing to pay? Honestly I could give a $!+# less what some internet troll thinks, We did the right thing , corrected it and gave everyone an opportunity to buy it at their price. Robert could have bid again but chose not to. Trying to take advantage by profiting off someones mistake isnt the same as getting screwed. You may be screwed in the head but its not the same as getting screwed.
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Money solutions! I'll watch for you on GB and other sites, won't touch you with a stick. Most others here the same. Good by bad business!
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Well my understanding on contract law is better than most since we deal with contracts on a daily basis.
Your understanding of good customer relations is virtually non-existent. At this rate, you probably won't have too many contracts to worry about.
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Moneysolutions, I too own a business and understand what it takes to run it successfully, however if you look at the bigger picture in this situation, you will find that at the end of the day that it's just not worth it, regardless of who is right or wrong. You have taken the risk of getting bad press and will end up losing more than you gambled, penny wise, pound foolish is what some would say. You can make a thousand great deals and that is what is expected, make one bad one and that's what people will remember. We all make mistakes, hope you learn from this one.
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Point Blank if you feel entitled to profit from the mistake of others regardless of the circumstances and don’t see any problem with it, we don’t want nor have we ever asked for your business.
Judging from the responses in this thread, I don't think you have to worry about getting any business from the folks here.

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Being one of the few gun dealers and getting fewer everyday that sells and ships to California I think we need to rethink our policy.
Doesn't seem like you'll be missed.

I do hope the mods here verify that you are indeed the seller and not someone that's looking to drum up trouble and bad feeling. It seems like you joined just to address this issue and your stance on this makes it hard for me to believe that you're actually the seller and want to do business with the people on this forum.

I've seen sellers that bend over backwards to please their customers. From what you've written, you don't rank among them. Local gun shops like Wiser Owl or Addax Tactical have some of the best service I've seen in retail. Primary Arms has service that's almost unreal. These aren't big box stores, they're smaller dealers like you.

BTW, if you sell something on consignment erroneously, I would expect you to honor the deal and then explain it to the person whom you were selling it for and if you had to pay them the difference that you thought they would have gotten out of your own pocket.

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I don’t believe you would want to live in a world where your definition of integrity existed and the unintended consequences of adhering to it would create.
Most of us already live in that world because we have morals and hold ourselves to them. But to each their own. I think you've made your point and everyone has enough information to make their own judgments.

If you are the real seller.
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Sorry, but having been in business for over 30 years, I know only too well how mistakes happen. Problem is, it was YOUR mistake, not his. I agree there should have been some dialog between the two of you to make the error less painful, but in the end, you made the mistake and should have honored the deal. The money loss from people who will now second guess doing business with you may far exceed what you may have lost on the deal.

Unfortunate situation.
I couldn't agree more. Your screw up, you honor it. PERIOD! I owned a business for many years and have eaten many mistakes of my employees. It comes down to integrity, honor and word of mouth advertising. I have a large memory bank and wouldn't do business with somebody that would not honor a deal, EVER. :thumbdown:


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You must have never sold on gunbroker. We have about one every two or three weeks that backs out of a transaction just like ebay and no gunbroker doesnt make it right, if we jump throught their hoops we might get our sellers fees refunded in about 45 days. Not sure what imaginery power they have to force a transaction to completion, maybe the same one ebay has.

And no we dont have the power to force someone to complete a transaction and have actually let those that ask to back out as long as they are honest and have a reasonable excuse. Just for the record gunbroker doesnt have a mechanism to recover the fees without reporting them as a non-paying bidder so then we take a loss. We focus on honest and reasonable....as a society have we moved past that?
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Reposted response by PAConstable1 from http://www.gunforums.com/forums/show...16915d0edd2ce/

I know JR has already read it (since he replied) but it's solid advice for anyone who is thinking about using Gunbroker.

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Patience.
On average GunBroker brokers almost a million dollars a day in firearms sales.
Unfortunatly they receieve a very large number of complaints daily, both from buyers and sellers.
Right now there is a message on their login page that states their Supprot Response Team is receiving an increased volume and therefore response times are longer then usual.
They will investigate, and if they feel that the seller in question delibertly violated the rules they will suspend him.

The last thing I do before placing a bid on GunBroker is to check the seller's feedback.
Out of curiosity I checked the feedback on "moneysolutions".
I saw your negative feedback, but the fact that he had three additional negative feedbacks within the past 90 days would have sent up a big yellow caution flag for me.
Further investigation shows that two of those feedbacks were for the same complaint, this would have led to a red flag and I personnally would not have done business with him.

When doing business on any online auction site one must always be careful.
Remember, over 400yrs ago, someone put on paper the first written example of the already legendary phrase "Caveat Emptor" (Let the buyer beware).
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Johnnyringos claims of getting screwed are a little exaggerated to say the least. We are the dealer that had that firearm and one of our guys made an honest mistake listing the item on gunbroker. He used an old listing and relisted it as a fixed price but it should have been an auction with the price as the starting price. If you’ve sold on gunbroker you know that you can’t change the method from fixed price to auction when relisting an item which he didn’t realize. So with the mistake it sold before someone could see the mistake and correct it. So Robert/Johnnyringo called us and at that time I personally tried to explain it was a mistake but he wasn’t having any of that. He started getting abusive and demanded to speak to the owner/manager well to his surprise he had been speaking with me all along.
We’ve all seen the crazies at the Walmart customer counter and other places like that where the customers are acting a fool. For some reason we’ve grown to tolerate that in our society.
On the charge of price gouging I'm not sure how that applies, when you sell something at auction you allow the buyer to determine the price and its not like we put a gun to anyone’s head, we dont even know the internet buyers. With the corrupt politicians trying to ban all these guns along with the manufacturers not being able to meet the demand prices will go up. If as consumers we don’t understand that it’s the simple supply and demand curve we need to read an economic book maybe one from Milton Freidman would be a good start.
As a buyer does anyone realize the fact that when our stores are bare and inventory is nonexistent like right now that our overhead continues, employee wages are still there. Landlords aren’t coming in and saying oh don’t worry about it because rents free until you can get product in to sell whenever that is. The electric, phone & water company still sends you bills and they don’t care. As a result of this frenzy it will undoubtedly cause many local gun shops to close.
We would love to be able to sell guns under cost because of a mistake but I don’t know how you do that Johnnyringo…..A gun that we can’t even get at a price close to that. Honest mistakes will happen from time to time….
And Johnnyringo we are not a pawnbroker, dont try to make us out to be something that what we are not, making these false characterizations trying to demonize us. We are just a small business struggling in this Obama economy.

With all that info I still look at this way. If you were not willing to sell it a the starting price why even list it at that starting price? Don't list something at a below willing to sell price to bait people into looking or bidding if you aren't willing to sell it at said low price if the sale doesn't go up as you had hoped. I understand mistakes are made but you had to have listed a starting price and if that was below what your desired minimum acceptance price was then that is on you and you should eat the sale at the price sold. Just sayn.

P.S. Reading this guys replies I have to call BS on it being the true seller/business owner. No one that owns a business and wants it to succeed is this much of an *** are they? It seems like this person here is trying to drive the business into the ground. If admin here can look up the IP addresses for both the parties involved here we could get to some sort of truth. If they both are here in Cali or the same/vicinity we have our answer.

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I'm sorry, I have to agree with MoneySolutions on this one. I ran my own auto repair business for many years and have been in similar situations and fortunately my customer base, for the most part, were understanding and ethical.

The situation would be entirely different if the seller was not honoring the deal because he had a better offer elsewhere, not the case. A mistake was made, just that simple, get over it and move on.

Somebody made a mistake, and because they made a mistake you expect them to not only not turn a profit on it but to loose money on it. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and doing this is wrong. You are reaching into this guy's pocket and taking money out of it, not right, period.
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Someone posted that Turner's was selling the shotgun for $799 so MoneySolutions may have lost money on the "mistake" he made but not all that much. Some people put a small price on their integrity. Mine's worth way more than $50 to me.
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I'm sorry, I have to agree with MoneySolutions on this one. I ran my own auto repair business for many years and have been in similar situations and fortunately my customer base, for the most part, were understanding and ethical.

The situation would be entirely different if the seller was not honoring the deal because he had a better offer elsewhere, not the case. A mistake was made, just that simple, get over it and move on.

Somebody made a mistake, and because they made a mistake you expect them to not only not turn a profit on it but to loose money on it. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and doing this is wrong. You are reaching into this guy's pocket and taking money out of it, not right, period.
WRONG, repair is an estimate.

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I got screwed over on Gunroker.com by a dealer FFL out of Louisville, KY. I bought a saiga 12 shotgun a few weeks ago. He accepted my buy now bid for $759.00. Then he sent me a acceptance email the next day. He then called me and said, "No, I can't sell you this gun. The price was a mistake". I called him on it and he became arguementative, swearing at me. He told me to go to walmart. NICE guy! Buyer beware of "Money solutions". His company is Auctions ASAP. He's a glorified pawnbroker. Scammer! ANYWAY, I am looking for a saiga 12 at a resaonable price. Good luck I guess. let me know. I emailed Gunbroker about the complaint. Good luck with that too. Im sooooo pissed! Price gouging.
Have to quote the OP because the thread's gone off the tracks. Anyhow, so the guy said the price was a mistake. Per your post you've "decided" that they said so because they wanted more money. You "decided" that it's all because of the run-up in prices. You "decided" that it's a bad business...

... all based upon opinion - where are the facts? Proof that these evil-doers did this on purpose.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:54 AM
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wow, yes please rethink your policy to sell to California residents over this one thread.
Great business decision!

keep digging buddy b/c before you know it, this thread will get over 10k views.
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I wonder if the seller posting here is real...

I still fail to see the argument that the OP is attempting to profit from the sellers mistake. the 10% you claim to make on each sale is already factored in as it was a previous sale, you would be losing nothing. We get that stock is flying off the shelves, that means new stock is also coming in aswell, doesn't it? you just can't keep it on the shelves long enough to keep in stock til you get the next shipment which can be weeks to months now, what you fail to see here is a mistake was made that would not COST YOU anything as the seller to honor the sale price and in fact you would still cover your 10+% that is needed to operate. The saiga that was relisted was initially enough to cover your cost + overhead. how is it different now? remember in your answer that you are most likely posting these the day after they arrive in your shop, it would make sense if you said they sat there for months on end and were worth more to you for overhead and storage, when in fact you already said you cant keep stock and are waiting on vendors to deliver. We all know you're making record profits the last two months and you wont budge on making only 10% on one sale to keep your word. thank you for your responses as this has been an entertaining thread to watch you bury yourself in. it's truly entertaining.
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thank you for your responses as this has been an entertaining thread to watch you bury yourself in. it's truly entertaining.

I offered to sell him a new shovel some time ago.

I think I'd better warm up the backhoe instead..........
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I 2nd that about people on here, in the last week alone I've had 3 people back out of agreed prices for stuff after someone else offered them more... It's always surprising what people do to make a profit
Same here ,told it was mine a the price we aggread to and terms,Gave him what he asked for ,then a hour later , I got a better offer ,I told him go to gun broker if he wanted a bidding war.
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link to the original listing or it never happened!!!!!
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As much as I think this was an honest mistake, I still think that the buyer is in the right here. The seller posted it at that price, the buyer agreed to pay the price. It was a contract. I was under the impression that that was legally binding. Yes it was a mistake, but it wasn't the buyer's mistake, and he shouldn't be the one getting hosed here. Your employee, acting as your agent in the sale, listed it that way. The buyer, in good faith, accepted the price, and was willing to pay it. You are out of luck. It sucks, but that happens. Coming on here and trying to rationalize your reasons for breaching the contract doesn't help. It is your place, as the seller, to follow through on the contract. Even if it is a loss for you. Otherwise, the buyer will suffer the loss, through your actions. And that isn't right. I understand that you run a business. And that taking a loss like this hurts. But ultimately it is time for you to put on your big boy pants and deal with it. If anybody is to blame for this, it is your employee. Not the buyer. And since he is YOUR employee, it is YOUR responsibility to fix it.

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All that I'm seeing/reading here is that the GB seller Money Solutions runs his business & auctions like a scam artist.

I buy & sell many things on GB, so I know how it works. The defensive replies & bully like tactics from Money Solutions just proves what type of people they really are.
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Wow I find it Ironic that his name is "Money Solutions" because he potentially created a monetary problem for himself by crapping all over possible customers.

My $.02.... you listed the price incorrectly (too low) You contact the buyer and inform him that you listed it too low in error but since you're an honest and kind business man you will honor YOUR mistake and sell it to him at the reduced price. All you ask in return is he keeps you in mind the next time he buys anything gun related.

Viola... then what happens is the excited and thankful buyer comes onto Calguns and gives RAVING reviews of this awesome buyer he encountered on Gunbroker and you in turn sell many more weapons to an even wider audience and quickly regain the few bucks you lost on the selling of that one item.

Regadless of who is right or wrong in this... You sure blew that chance.

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I haven't read all of the posts here but this is the biggest thing that eats at me... We as gun owners all know the excitement we get when you buy a new weapon. It must have really sucked to be on a high after buying that just to have it ripped away like that... I think the seller has lost sight of the joy purchasing a new weapon creates. And if he has not forgotten the joy then he's simply heartless in knowing he was really going to stomp all over someones excitement by not honoring their listed price and going back on the deal.
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Whats funny is the seller bumped up a thread that was a month old to confirm what the OP stated and then get punked by the calguns community.
Good Job Bud, here's a free bump for you to keep the thread alive.
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Whats funny is the seller bumped up a thread that was a month old to confirm what the OP stated and then get punked by the calguns community.
Good Job Bud, here's a free bump for you to keep the thread alive.
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I'm sorry, I have to agree with MoneySolutions on this one. I ran my own auto repair business for many years and have been in similar situations and fortunately my customer base, for the most part, were understanding and ethical.

The situation would be entirely different if the seller was not honoring the deal because he had a better offer elsewhere, not the case. A mistake was made, just that simple, get over it and move on.

Somebody made a mistake, and because they made a mistake you expect them to not only not turn a profit on it but to loose money on it. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and doing this is wrong. You are reaching into this guy's pocket and taking money out of it, not right, period.
Yet so many auto repair shops in CA are cited and fined by the B.A.R. for exactly that. If find it odd that you never got cited with such an attitude toward the extremely legally binding Estimate/RO. Did you ever read that monthly report the Bureau sends out with that really long list of violators and the fines they got? So where was your shop?
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Hey Money Solutions....
Could you answer me before you answer Adonis again....

Question....

How much are you or did you selling/sell the item for since the "mistake" was made????
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